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Post by thedeadlyshart on Dec 3, 2020 21:49:49 GMT
Sounds to me like he is almost ready to start full training, but still not close to playing for us. Probably another 2-3 months.
“Joe’s is a serious injury and for some players it’s taken 12 months to get back. Joe’s between eight and nine months at this minute in time.”
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 3, 2020 21:56:52 GMT
No way would I drop Powell for Allen. That's like giving away a Rolex and smearing a turd on your wrist.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 3, 2020 22:18:56 GMT
He is a great pro and a manager's dream and will strengthen the squad, but we haven't missed him and he won't strengthen the starting eleven.
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Post by walrus on Dec 3, 2020 22:43:44 GMT
Since MON came in:
With Allen in side:
Played 22 Won 10 Drawn 4 Lost 8 Points per game: 1.55 Goals for per game: 1.64 Goals against per game: 1.27
Without Allen in side
Played 24 Won 11 Drawn 6 Lost 7 Points per game: 1.66 Goals for per game: 1.46 Goals against per game 1.29
Very similar records with and without him.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 3, 2020 22:46:54 GMT
He is a great pro and a manager's dream and will strengthen the squad, but we haven't missed him and he won't strengthen the starting eleven. I’m sorry mate but in my opinion he will definitely strengthen the starting eleven alongside Clucas and Mikel for me
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 3, 2020 22:49:30 GMT
He is a great pro and a manager's dream and will strengthen the squad, but we haven't missed him and he won't strengthen the starting eleven. I’m sorry mate but in my opinion he will definitely strengthen the starting eleven alongside Clucas and Mikel for me I’m pretty sure if everyone was fully fit including Joe, O’Neill would go 4-3-3 with Allen, Mikel and Clucas behind Powell, Fletcher and Campbell.....
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 3, 2020 22:51:39 GMT
I’m sorry mate but in my opinion he will definitely strengthen the starting eleven alongside Clucas and Mikel for me I’m pretty sure if everyone was fully fit including Joe, O’Neill would go 4-3-3 with Allen, Mikel and Clucas behind Powell, Fletcher and Campbell..... Yes that’s the way I see it also👍
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 3, 2020 23:17:39 GMT
I’m pretty sure if everyone was fully fit including Joe, O’Neill would go 4-3-3 with Allen, Mikel and Clucas behind Powell, Fletcher and Campbell..... Yes that’s the way I see it also👍 Or actually 1- 4 -3 -3! Its strange how the goalkeeper is always taken for granted. But as we now know this should never be the case!
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 3, 2020 23:25:10 GMT
He won't improve our midfield but he may just offer something at RWB the problem there is that its a physically challenging position for any fully fit player nevermind someone coming back from his type of injury.
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2020 23:28:10 GMT
I’m sorry mate but in my opinion he will definitely strengthen the starting eleven alongside Clucas and Mikel for me I’m pretty sure if everyone was fully fit including Joe, O’Neill would go 4-3-3 with Allen, Mikel and Clucas behind Powell, Fletcher and Campbell..... Yes I think so, if that front 6 could hold together physically (and it's a big if) we might really have something
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 3, 2020 23:56:03 GMT
He is a great pro and a manager's dream and will strengthen the squad, but we haven't missed him and he won't strengthen the starting eleven. I’m sorry mate but in my opinion he will definitely strengthen the starting eleven alongside Clucas and Mikel for me We've tried to fit Allen into a starting 11 since we've signed him. I still don't know what his role is, he doesn't do anything very well but does everything ok and that's what he is, an ok footballer.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 4, 2020 9:25:39 GMT
I’m sorry mate but in my opinion he will definitely strengthen the starting eleven alongside Clucas and Mikel for me I’m pretty sure if everyone was fully fit including Joe, O’Neill would go 4-3-3 with Allen, Mikel and Clucas behind Powell, Fletcher and Campbell..... That’s what I’ve said in another thread. Someone touched on Allen’s strengths can sometimes also be his weakness. Meaning he covers so much ground doing other peoples jobs as well as his own. But with the discipline of Mikel in there and Sam Clucas’s goal threat, then for me it would be a midfield most teams would crave for. Then with Fletcher, Powell and Campbell being pushed by McClean and Brown, I think we could be in for a very enterprising second half of the season.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 4, 2020 9:31:34 GMT
Our midfield has looked shit since he started playing in it. It's no coincidence that our downfall started when we tried to accommodate him into our team.
I've always been baffled at the amount of love our supporters have for players who work hard but contribute very little.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 9:53:26 GMT
I'd like to see him be used at right back.
We know he can't play in central midfield for us and has most attributes to make a decent right back.
It might also make him think a bit more of actually staying in position.
The argument that he covers other people is nonsense. He's just ill disciplined and has a crap touch so loses the ball and has to win it back again.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 4, 2020 11:49:46 GMT
Maybe this injury will curtail his Duracell bunny tendencies and he'll be a more effective player for us as a result?
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Post by onionman on Dec 4, 2020 11:50:06 GMT
I'd like to see him be used at right back. We know he can't play in central midfield for us and has most attributes to make a decent right back. It might also make him think a bit more of actually staying in position. The argument that he covers other people is nonsense. He's just ill disciplined and has a crap touch so loses the ball and has to win it back again. He would get bullied, caught out of position, forever be losing his man and outjumped at the far post. Basically the same as when he plays midfield, with the added problem of getting outjumped at the far post.
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Post by werrington on Dec 4, 2020 11:57:49 GMT
Since MON came in: With Allen in side: Played 22 Won 10 Drawn 4 Lost 8 Points per game: 1.55 Goals for per game: 1.64 Goals against per game: 1.27 Without Allen in side Played 24 Won 11 Drawn 6 Lost 7 Points per game: 1.66 Goals for per game: 1.46 Goals against per game 1.29 Very similar records with and without him. The two can’t be compared O’Neill took over when we were on our arse and Allen Clucas and Maclean dragged us from the brink and got the side competing again We’ve now got Campbell Fletcher Mikel Souttar Collins and a fully fit Powell all firing It’s night and day
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2020 12:03:54 GMT
as a minimum he's great competition
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 12:22:12 GMT
I'd like to see him be used at right back. We know he can't play in central midfield for us and has most attributes to make a decent right back. It might also make him think a bit more of actually staying in position. The argument that he covers other people is nonsense. He's just ill disciplined and has a crap touch so loses the ball and has to win it back again. He would get bullied, caught out of position, forever be losing his man and outjumped at the far post. Basically the same as when he plays midfield, with the added problem of getting outjumped at the far post. I actually think he's decent in the air and don't think that'd be an issue. He wins a lot of headers for a short arse.
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Post by pez75 on Dec 4, 2020 12:26:36 GMT
Maybe this injury will curtail his Duracell bunny tendencies and he'll be a more effective player for us as a result? Thats the managers job, not his achilles tendon.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 4, 2020 12:37:40 GMT
He is a great pro and a manager's dream and will strengthen the squad, but we haven't missed him and he won't strengthen the starting eleven. He'd be better than clucas at the minute.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 4, 2020 13:12:26 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 13:17:58 GMT
Maybe his new doo might calm him down as well? All that running to get his hair out of his eyes
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 4, 2020 13:33:00 GMT
Joe Allen has probably played under at least 10 if not more managers including international so far in his career. It’s funny how all of those professional football managers who earn a living at a much higher level than anyone on this message board have him as first on their team sheets. That’s including Liverpool until they pushed on to what they’ve since become. But a handful of wannabe football managers with obviously not the foggiest on how to structure a football team have him as “useless” “ a headless chicken” and many more totally misinformed names for him. Laughable. But that’s why we love the oatcake.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 4, 2020 13:34:14 GMT
Joe Allen has probably played under at least 10 if not more managers including international so far in his career. It’s funny how all of those professional football managers who earn a living at a much higher level than anyone on this message board have him as first on their team sheets. That’s including Liverpool until they pushed on to what they’ve since become. But a handful of wannabe football managers with obviously not the foggiest on how to structure a football team have him as “useless” “ a headless chicken” and many more totally misinformed names for him. Laughable. But that’s why we love the oatcake. Its also only on here that I read critism of Allen. Its odd.
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Post by a on Dec 4, 2020 13:37:21 GMT
Joe Allen has probably played under at least 10 if not more managers including international so far in his career. It’s funny how all of those professional football managers who earn a living at a much higher level than anyone on this message board have him as first on their team sheets. That’s including Liverpool until they pushed on to what they’ve since become. But a handful of wannabe football managers with obviously not the foggiest on how to structure a football team have him as “useless” “ a headless chicken” and many more totally misinformed names for him. Laughable. But that’s why we love the oatcake. Did you not know this? The oatcake has certain posters that are renowned football managers. It just happens to be in their mums basement on a computer.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 4, 2020 13:41:41 GMT
Joe Allen has probably played under at least 10 if not more managers including international so far in his career. It’s funny how all of those professional football managers who earn a living at a much higher level than anyone on this message board have him as first on their team sheets. That’s including Liverpool until they pushed on to what they’ve since become. But a handful of wannabe football managers with obviously not the foggiest on how to structure a football team have him as “useless” “ a headless chicken” and many more totally misinformed names for him. Laughable. But that’s why we love the oatcake. Can you see the pattern emerging Left Liverpool and they improved Joined Stoke and they a)get relegated b)struggle and end up in another relegation battle Injured for 6+months and Stoke are threatening top 6
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Post by sd22 on Dec 4, 2020 13:50:06 GMT
Joe Allen has probably played under at least 10 if not more managers including international so far in his career. It’s funny how all of those professional football managers who earn a living at a much higher level than anyone on this message board have him as first on their team sheets. That’s including Liverpool until they pushed on to what they’ve since become. But a handful of wannabe football managers with obviously not the foggiest on how to structure a football team have him as “useless” “ a headless chicken” and many more totally misinformed names for him. Laughable. But that’s why we love the oatcake. Can you see the pattern emerging Left Liverpool and they improved Joined Stoke and they a)get relegated b)struggle and end up in another relegation battle Injured for 6+months and Stoke are threatening top 6 Left Swansea and they declined?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 13:50:53 GMT
Joe Allen has probably played under at least 10 if not more managers including international so far in his career. It’s funny how all of those professional football managers who earn a living at a much higher level than anyone on this message board have him as first on their team sheets. That’s including Liverpool until they pushed on to what they’ve since become. But a handful of wannabe football managers with obviously not the foggiest on how to structure a football team have him as “useless” “ a headless chicken” and many more totally misinformed names for him. Laughable. But that’s why we love the oatcake. And yet since the day he signed here we've slipped down the league. Strange that.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 4, 2020 13:56:06 GMT
Joe Allen has probably played under at least 10 if not more managers including international so far in his career. It’s funny how all of those professional football managers who earn a living at a much higher level than anyone on this message board have him as first on their team sheets. That’s including Liverpool until they pushed on to what they’ve since become. But a handful of wannabe football managers with obviously not the foggiest on how to structure a football team have him as “useless” “ a headless chicken” and many more totally misinformed names for him. Laughable. But that’s why we love the oatcake. And yet since the day he signed here we've slipped down the league. Strange that. Oh dear 🤦
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