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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 19:28:21 GMT
Yes we would. Do you seriously believe that the signing of one player was to blame for the whole shit show that surrounded our football club over the 4 or 5 year period that it did? Because that is what you seem to be alluding to. Our demise as a premier league football club and subsequent struggling championship side can be blamed on a whole catalogue of things, and to keep pedalling this nonsense that one player is one of the main sources of blame, is just that, nonsense. I could name a whole host of other footballers who shoulder far more blame than a man who has only ever given 100% for this football club, and also 4 managers who either lost their ability to manage or never had any in the first place. One thing I do know, is that we now have a manager who knows how to mould a "team", and I'll bet you as much as you like that once fit, Joe Allen will be an integral part of his midfield, because no matter what you and a few other nutjobs on here think, he is a massively important member of our squad and one of our better footballers at the club. If one player was to blame surely it’s the likes of Wimmer and Imbula who are the candidates? Instead Bayern goes for the bloke who probably put in as much effort as anyone to try and avoid the drop. Allen didn’t need to put effort in. He needed to hold his position. The headless chicken act is exactly what cost us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 19:31:20 GMT
Would we? Hughes based his new tactics around him. The change to a back 3 was because of Euro 2016 and signing Allen. We haven’t missed him, points picked up have stayed the same. 🤷♂️ Yes we would. Do you seriously believe that the signing of one player was to blame for the whole shit show that surrounded our football club over the 4 or 5 year period that it did? Because that is what you seem to be alluding to. Our demise as a premier league football club and subsequent struggling championship side can be blamed on a whole catalogue of things, and to keep pedalling this nonsense that one player is one of the main sources of blame, is just that, nonsense. I could name a whole host of other footballers who shoulder far more blame than a man who has only ever given 100% for this football club, and also 4 managers who either lost their ability to manage or never had any in the first place. One thing I do know, is that we now have a manager who knows how to mould a "team", and I'll bet you as much as you like that once fit, Joe Allen will be an integral part of his midfield, because no matter what you and a few other nutjobs on here think, he is a massively important member of our squad and one of our better footballers at the club. I think he got an idea in his head from Euro 2016 in the back 3 and tried to build a side around a key member of that team he watched, yes. From the point of his arrival we have gone down hill and it’s no coincidence. He is the epitome of why we were where we were. Brainless football, bad tactically and all work and no class. Best footballer 😂😂his touch is absolutely atrocious hence why he has to tackle so often!!
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 27, 2020 20:34:22 GMT
Joe Allen was purchased by Hughes as his marquee signing of the summer of 2016, he was Hughes trophy to parade before his adoring minions, I don’t blame Joe because he was sold a lie and Hughes had no plan or idea how Joe was going to fit into his midfield. As a result Joe was played out of his natural position thus adding even further confusion to a midfield now bedecked by imbula. Unfortunately for Joe, Hughes had by now lost the plot and was consumed by self grandeur, it’s just a sad coincidence that Joes arrival came when the cracks in Stoke had already become evident.
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Post by hardcastle on Dec 27, 2020 20:58:00 GMT
Bad injuries to key players (Shawcross and Butland); age catching up on some of the team's 'backbone' (Whelan, Huth and SJ); Hughes's inability to drill an effective defence; some awfully ill-judged signings (Imbula, Saido, Wimmer) that additionally had the effect of undermining the team ethos: and the Board's poor subsequent choice of manager.
And you choose to blame Joe Allen for our 2016-19 decline? You couldn't make this stuff up! But then scapegoating was never anything to do with the goat itself.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 21:27:18 GMT
Bad injuries to key players (Shawcross and Butland); age catching up on some of the team's 'backbone' (Whelan, Huth and SJ); Hughes's inability to drill an effective defence; some awfully ill-judged signings (Imbula, Saido, Wimmer) that additionally had the effect of undermining the team ethos: and the Board's poor subsequent choice of manager. And you choose to blame Joe Allen for our 2016-19 decline? You couldn't make this stuff up! But then scapegoating was never anything to do with the goat itself. I think he"s showed us that you can totally make that stuff up. Absolute nonsense. I would rather hear from a goat
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 21:31:51 GMT
Bad injuries to key players (Shawcross and Butland); age catching up on some of the team's 'backbone' (Whelan, Huth and SJ); Hughes's inability to drill an effective defence; some awfully ill-judged signings (Imbula, Saido, Wimmer) that additionally had the effect of undermining the team ethos: and the Board's poor subsequent choice of manager. And you choose to blame Joe Allen for our 2016-19 decline? You couldn't make this stuff up! But then scapegoating was never anything to do with the goat itself. Scapegoat my arse. The blokes record with us is absolutely dire and as someone has said above he was the managers marquee signing and we tried to build the side around him. Much to our decline. He’s a headless chicken and leaves gaps for others to fill. But he runs a lot so people like him. Really odd.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 27, 2020 21:36:11 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 21:45:51 GMT
If one player was to blame surely it’s the likes of Wimmer and Imbula who are the candidates? Instead Bayern goes for the bloke who probably put in as much effort as anyone to try and avoid the drop. Allen didn’t need to put effort in. He needed to hold his position. The headless chicken act is exactly what cost us. Ah, ok. Effort isn’t a prerequisite for success as a footballer. Hope for Imbula yet then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 21:46:57 GMT
Allen didn’t need to put effort in. He needed to hold his position. The headless chicken act is exactly what cost us. Ah, ok. Effort isn’t a prerequisite for success as a footballer. Hope for Imbula yet then. Less effort would absolutely aid Allen and Stoke.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 21:49:00 GMT
Ah, ok. Effort isn’t a prerequisite for success as a footballer. Hope for Imbula yet then. Less effort would absolutely aid Allen and Stoke. Even by your standards that’s a pretty nuts statement.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 21:52:01 GMT
Less effort would absolutely aid Allen and Stoke. Even by your standards that’s a pretty nuts statement. Why? His effort is what gets him into trouble. Chasing everything, leaving space and making the team so much more vulnerable. Less is always more as a DM unless you’re Kante.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 22:11:20 GMT
Even by your standards that’s a pretty nuts statement. Why? His effort is what gets him into trouble. Chasing everything, leaving space and making the team so much more vulnerable. Less is always more as a DM unless you’re Kante. It also puts pressure on the ball, increases the chances of an interception allowing us to launch attacks from midfield instead of bypassing it like we have been doing without him. Also, he isn't a DM.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 22:30:13 GMT
Even by your standards that’s a pretty nuts statement. Why? His effort is what gets him into trouble. Chasing everything, leaving space and making the team so much more vulnerable. Less is always more as a DM unless you’re Kante. Putting in effort is bad? He was trying to do the work of 3 or 4 players because some of them weren’t putting effort in because they blatantly didn’t give a shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 22:35:08 GMT
Why? His effort is what gets him into trouble. Chasing everything, leaving space and making the team so much more vulnerable. Less is always more as a DM unless you’re Kante. Putting in effort is bad? He was trying to do the work of 3 or 4 players because some of them weren’t putting effort in because they blatantly didn’t give a shit. Yes see Powell too. He does way too much work. I disagree. He was doing it when he was playing with Walters and Whelan etc. It’s just what he does. It’s why he is better off out the way as #10 but having him in that role is just so poor.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 22:38:56 GMT
Putting in effort is bad? He was trying to do the work of 3 or 4 players because some of them weren’t putting effort in because they blatantly didn’t give a shit. Yes see Powell too. He does way too much work. I disagree. He was doing it when he was playing with Walters and Whelan etc. It’s just what he does. It’s why he is better off out the way as #10 but having him in that role is just so poor. Any midfielder who doesn’t put effort in shouldn’t be near the team IMO.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 27, 2020 23:04:12 GMT
Yes see Powell too. He does way too much work. I disagree. He was doing it when he was playing with Walters and Whelan etc. It’s just what he does. It’s why he is better off out the way as #10 but having him in that role is just so poor. Any midfielder who doesn’t put effort in shouldn’t be near the team IMO. No one is saying that effort isn't required but it needs to be disciplined, controlled to have effective and efficient results. That wasn't happening with Allen and even worse his quality suffered.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 27, 2020 23:15:02 GMT
I take that this thread is 90% Bayern/boskamp trying to convince otherwise?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 23:19:10 GMT
Any midfielder who doesn’t put effort in shouldn’t be near the team IMO. No one is saying that effort isn't required but it needs to be disciplined, controlled to have effective and efficient results. That wasn't happening with Allen and even worse his quality suffered. The rest of our midfielders are so famously effective of course.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 23:22:58 GMT
Any midfielder who doesn’t put effort in shouldn’t be near the team IMO. No one is saying that effort isn't required but it needs to be disciplined, controlled to have effective and efficient results. That wasn't happening with Allen and even worse his quality suffered. Errrr yeah they are saying that. “Allen didn’t need to put effort in. He needed to hold his position. The headless chicken act is exactly what cost us.”
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Post by miltonstokienew on Dec 27, 2020 23:30:08 GMT
I take that this thread is 90% Bayern/boskamp trying to convince otherwise? I'm lost for words for the fucking sad act. Literally he spends 1/4 of his sad existence on this planet either slagging a Stoke player or the manager off. Constantly repeating the same thing. Spamming every thread. Works his shifts then bang , let's log on the oatcake and get my post count up. I can imagine a lonely , lonely sole
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 27, 2020 23:46:47 GMT
I take that this thread is 90% Bayern/boskamp trying to convince otherwise? I'm lost for words for the fucking sad act. Literally he spends 1/4 of his sad existence on this planet either slagging a Stoke player or the manager off. Constantly repeating the same thing. Spamming every thread. Works his shifts then bang , let's log on the oatcake and get my post count up. I can imagine a lonely , lonely sole What a nonsense post. Bayern as been very positive towards the team and manager. He has stated the manager is doing very well but believes he has more potential than MON is allowing himself to be. He has stated the players are good enough for a promotion push despite the injury crisis when others have given up all hope. If it's seen as negative to say your team should be doing better, then it makes MB's like this redundant. You don't need to agree all the time but posts like this serve no purpose at all.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 27, 2020 23:51:30 GMT
I'm lost for words for the fucking sad act. Literally he spends 1/4 of his sad existence on this planet either slagging a Stoke player or the manager off. Constantly repeating the same thing. Spamming every thread. Works his shifts then bang , let's log on the oatcake and get my post count up. I can imagine a lonely , lonely sole What a nonsense post. Bayern as been very positive towards the team and manager. He has stated the manager is doing very well but believes he has more potential than MON is allowing himself to be. He has stated the players are good enough for a promotion push despite the injury crisis when others have given up all hope. If it's seen as negative to say your team should be doing better, then it makes MB's like this redundant. You don't need to agree all the time but posts like this serve no purpose at all. Cut from the same cloth. Next...
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 27, 2020 23:53:57 GMT
What a nonsense post. Bayern as been very positive towards the team and manager. He has stated the manager is doing very well but believes he has more potential than MON is allowing himself to be. He has stated the players are good enough for a promotion push despite the injury crisis when others have given up all hope. If it's seen as negative to say your team should be doing better, then it makes MB's like this redundant. You don't need to agree all the time but posts like this serve no purpose at all. The blokes an attention seeking bellend , he repeats himself constantly. 10 times a day. Its fucking boring. And I suppose posts like yours help break the monotony?
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 27, 2020 23:56:58 GMT
No one is saying that effort isn't required but it needs to be disciplined, controlled to have effective and efficient results. That wasn't happening with Allen and even worse his quality suffered. The rest of our midfielders are so famously effective of course. But but Verlinden... See ngoy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 0:01:44 GMT
Joe Allen was purchased by Hughes as his marquee signing of the summer of 2016, he was Hughes trophy to parade before his adoring minions, I don’t blame Joe because he was sold a lie and Hughes had no plan or idea how Joe was going to fit into his midfield. As a result Joe was played out of his natural position thus adding even further confusion to a midfield now bedecked by imbula. Unfortunately for Joe, Hughes had by now lost the plot and was consumed by self grandeur, it’s just a sad coincidence that Joes arrival came when the cracks in Stoke had already become evident. And you know all this how?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 28, 2020 0:23:34 GMT
Yes see Powell too. He does way too much work. I disagree. He was doing it when he was playing with Walters and Whelan etc. It’s just what he does. It’s why he is better off out the way as #10 but having him in that role is just so poor. Any midfielder who doesn’t put effort in shouldn’t be near the team IMO. I would say the best player I’ve seen play for us was effortless in the way he played in midfield.
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Post by Sfance on Dec 28, 2020 0:23:37 GMT
I really don’t understand what people get out of arguing with Bayern. It’s like the old Mike Myers SNL skit “it’s like telling the hill people not to eat monkey brains”
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Post by miltonstokienew on Dec 28, 2020 0:24:42 GMT
The blokes an attention seeking bellend , he repeats himself constantly. 10 times a day. Its fucking boring. And I suppose posts like yours help break the monotony? Hopefully yes , it's doubtful though. I think for his mental health he should go outside and meet people, maybe talk to someone. It's not healthy. What do you think ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 28, 2020 0:24:57 GMT
I'm lost for words for the fucking sad act. Literally he spends 1/4 of his sad existence on this planet either slagging a Stoke player or the manager off. Constantly repeating the same thing. Spamming every thread. Works his shifts then bang , let's log on the oatcake and get my post count up. I can imagine a lonely , lonely sole What a nonsense post. Bayern as been very positive towards the team and manager. He has stated the manager is doing very well but believes he has more potential than MON is allowing himself to be. He has stated the players are good enough for a promotion push despite the injury crisis when others have given up all hope. If it's seen as negative to say your team should be doing better, then it makes MB's like this redundant. You don't need to agree all the time but posts like this serve no purpose at all. 60 percent of this guys posts are about me. And he has the tenacity to call me the sad act. It’s hilarious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 28, 2020 0:27:10 GMT
I really don’t understand what people get out of arguing with Bayern. It’s like the old Mike Myers SNL skit “it’s like telling the hill people not to eat monkey brains” Which is odd given I’ve been pretty spot on the way this club has been going in the last 4 years. Makes me laugh how people don’t address that. Even now when it’s the young players that I’ve been banging on making the difference people still snipe and belittle. It’s very strange. I just see things ahead of the curve generally.
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