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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 0:32:13 GMT
I do too and I don’t like it 😂 I think he could too, that’s why I thought it was a good idea when I saw it! MON hasn't showed the remotest interest in playing Clucas at LB or LWB Probably not but then he shouldn’t have the slightest interest in playing him the midfield based on this season. He’s been about the worst performer bar Vokes. And I love Clucas. He’s been awful this season. If everyone is fit, he wouldn’t well shouldn’t be in the best XI, unless it’s on the left wing as things stand.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 27, 2020 0:32:56 GMT
I do too and I don’t like it 😂 I think he could too, that’s why I thought it was a good idea when I saw it! MON hasn't showed the remotest interest in playing Clucas at LB or LWB Yes, you’re right. He hasn’t needed to.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 27, 2020 1:30:19 GMT
I’ve told you before stick with those that know 😏
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 7:50:31 GMT
Honestly Bayern - I've been on this board and the one before for many years, and now my involvement is more to watch than post...but this crock of horses dung has awoke me from my slumber. You speak a load of bull at the best of times, but if you truly believe this you are blinder than a blind man down a blind alley. Behave. How is it? We had a massive hole in the midfield and that exposed the defence. On the pitch that was our biggest issue. But Stoke fans love someone running around a lot even when that running is of detriment to the team. His signing is what made Hughes think we could play 3 at the back because he saw him do it for Wales. That is what cost us. He thought we could build a team around Joe Allen. He changed his whole game plan because of Joe Allen. He is absolutely one of the worst signings in this clubs history and has done masses of damage. So on one post you said that Allen displaced Bojan, and then you said there was a big hole in midfield that exposed the defence. Are you saying that pre-Allen, Bojan was there protecting the defenders?! 😂 At least try and have your bullshit make some sense. To blame Joe Allen for things is absolute lunacy. A lot of the time I think of you like Larry in Curb your Enthusiasm because even though you go about things badly on here, you’ve often got a point and sometimes I agree. Not this time though - it’s as if Allen has personally offended you / slept with your wife to have such a straight-up wrong vendetta. Next time you start talking about Allen I’ll treat it the same as I do when people start a story with “I saw a ghost”. I turn off. It’s bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 9:06:18 GMT
The people who pedal the bullshit about him being the reason why we got relegated and ended up where we are, are complete idiots. Its not just here though is it. He was no loss to Swansea when he left for Liverpool. Liverpool improved dramatically when he left for Stoke. Stoke have suffered since the day he walked into the joint. We haven't missed him since his long term injury, we've actually improved. Absolutely no evidence to suggest we will be worse without him. If he is so important to us like you, MON and others make out, why rush him back unnecessarily? Swansea fans loved him and didn't want him to leave. To suggest that Joe Allen leaving Liverpool was a main reason for their upturn in fortunes is fuckwittery at it's finest, and ties in with the thinking that he is mainly to blame for our down turn in fortunes as well. Whether Joe Allen came here or not, we would have ended up in the same situation, and to suggest we haven't missed him is absolute bollocks, ask our manager if we have missed having him around the place.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 10:10:17 GMT
Its not just here though is it. He was no loss to Swansea when he left for Liverpool. Liverpool improved dramatically when he left for Stoke. Stoke have suffered since the day he walked into the joint. We haven't missed him since his long term injury, we've actually improved. Absolutely no evidence to suggest we will be worse without him. If he is so important to us like you, MON and others make out, why rush him back unnecessarily? Swansea fans loved him and didn't want him to leave. To suggest that Joe Allen leaving Liverpool was a main reason for their upturn in fortunes is fuckwittery at it's finest, and ties in with the thinking that he is mainly to blame for our down turn in fortunes as well. Whether Joe Allen came here or not, we would have ended up in the same situation, and to suggest we haven't missed him is absolute bollocks, ask our manager if we have missed having him around the place. Spot on. Some people really don’t have a clue. Makes you wonder what they look at when they watch a match.
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Post by moon on Dec 27, 2020 10:26:20 GMT
A fit Joe Allen is one of the first names on the team sheet, and a strong contender for the captaincy too. Glad to have him back, ease him in slowly over the next few weeks and he can play a big part in the second half of the season. We will need both Clucas and Allen to chip in with a few goals if we’re going to have a strong finish.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 27, 2020 12:49:29 GMT
I’ve told you before stick with those that know 😏 👍👍
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 13:58:36 GMT
How is it? We had a massive hole in the midfield and that exposed the defence. On the pitch that was our biggest issue. But Stoke fans love someone running around a lot even when that running is of detriment to the team. His signing is what made Hughes think we could play 3 at the back because he saw him do it for Wales. That is what cost us. He thought we could build a team around Joe Allen. He changed his whole game plan because of Joe Allen. He is absolutely one of the worst signings in this clubs history and has done masses of damage. So on one post you said that Allen displaced Bojan, and then you said there was a big hole in midfield that exposed the defence. Are you saying that pre-Allen, Bojan was there protecting the defenders?! 😂 At least try and have your bullshit make some sense. To blame Joe Allen for things is absolute lunacy. A lot of the time I think of you like Larry in Curb your Enthusiasm because even though you go about things badly on here, you’ve often got a point and sometimes I agree. Not this time though - it’s as if Allen has personally offended you / slept with your wife to have such a straight-up wrong vendetta. Next time you start talking about Allen I’ll treat it the same as I do when people start a story with “I saw a ghost”. I turn off. It’s bollocks. No. When he was signed he was signed for DM. His first few months he played as the 10 behind Bony. He then got moved back. It’s not bullshit is it 🤦♂️ Hughes built the side around him and it was the complete wrong thing to do. All because of Euro 2016.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 14:00:17 GMT
Its not just here though is it. He was no loss to Swansea when he left for Liverpool. Liverpool improved dramatically when he left for Stoke. Stoke have suffered since the day he walked into the joint. We haven't missed him since his long term injury, we've actually improved. Absolutely no evidence to suggest we will be worse without him. If he is so important to us like you, MON and others make out, why rush him back unnecessarily? Swansea fans loved him and didn't want him to leave. To suggest that Joe Allen leaving Liverpool was a main reason for their upturn in fortunes is fuckwittery at it's finest, and ties in with the thinking that he is mainly to blame for our down turn in fortunes as well. Whether Joe Allen came here or not, we would have ended up in the same situation, and to suggest we haven't missed him is absolute bollocks, ask our manager if we have missed having him around the place. Would we? Hughes based his new tactics around him. The change to a back 3 was because of Euro 2016 and signing Allen. We haven’t missed him, points picked up have stayed the same. 🤷♂️
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 14:01:21 GMT
Swansea fans loved him and didn't want him to leave. To suggest that Joe Allen leaving Liverpool was a main reason for their upturn in fortunes is fuckwittery at it's finest, and ties in with the thinking that he is mainly to blame for our down turn in fortunes as well. Whether Joe Allen came here or not, we would have ended up in the same situation, and to suggest we haven't missed him is absolute bollocks, ask our manager if we have missed having him around the place. Spot on. Some people really don’t have a clue. Makes you wonder what they look at when they watch a match. The wide expanse in front of the defence where Joe Allen should be but he’s chasing the ball 20 yards out of position.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 14:50:19 GMT
Spot on. Some people really don’t have a clue. Makes you wonder what they look at when they watch a match. The wide expanse in front of the defence where Joe Allen should be but he’s chasing the ball 20 yards out of position. What defence was that? For about two years we didn’t have one. Let’s see how he does with the MON wall behind him.
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Post by ilikelamp on Dec 27, 2020 15:00:55 GMT
So on one post you said that Allen displaced Bojan, and then you said there was a big hole in midfield that exposed the defence. Are you saying that pre-Allen, Bojan was there protecting the defenders?! 😂 At least try and have your bullshit make some sense. To blame Joe Allen for things is absolute lunacy. A lot of the time I think of you like Larry in Curb your Enthusiasm because even though you go about things badly on here, you’ve often got a point and sometimes I agree. Not this time though - it’s as if Allen has personally offended you / slept with your wife to have such a straight-up wrong vendetta. Next time you start talking about Allen I’ll treat it the same as I do when people start a story with “I saw a ghost”. I turn off. It’s bollocks. No. When he was signed he was signed for DM. His first few months he played as the 10 behind Bony. He then got moved back. It’s not bullshit is it 🤦♂️ Hughes built the side around him and it was the complete wrong thing to do. All because of Euro 2016. Don’t know what the stats are but I felt he did quite well in the number 10 role. Scored a few didn’t he? United away etc
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 27, 2020 15:19:27 GMT
The injury as strange as it seems, may have done us and Joe a favour. Perhaps he will have to manage his game better, in as much as he may have to be more controlled and disciplined. He was always a very neat and tidy player in the ball and dictated play. We may/should see a better version of Allen moving forward?.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 15:40:31 GMT
The wide expanse in front of the defence where Joe Allen should be but he’s chasing the ball 20 yards out of position. What defence was that? For about two years we didn’t have one. Let’s see how he does with the MON wall behind him. The defence weren’t protected from the midfield. How many times have we seen players running directly at the CBs? It happened so often and we were seeing it again with Mikel in there. Hence why I thought we needed Cousins in there. It should barely happen. The centre back were massively exposed and would often have to step out to fill the gap created by the midfield. Once that happens you’re toast especially when we had a goalie who was tied to his post by a rope.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 15:41:55 GMT
No. When he was signed he was signed for DM. His first few months he played as the 10 behind Bony. He then got moved back. It’s not bullshit is it 🤦♂️ Hughes built the side around him and it was the complete wrong thing to do. All because of Euro 2016. Don’t know what the stats are but I felt he did quite well in the number 10 role. Scored a few didn’t he? United away etc He scored 5/6 but my God it was awful to watch. The link up between midfield and the striker was non existent and as a team it just didn’t work.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 16:54:29 GMT
So on one post you said that Allen displaced Bojan, and then you said there was a big hole in midfield that exposed the defence. Are you saying that pre-Allen, Bojan was there protecting the defenders?! 😂 At least try and have your bullshit make some sense. To blame Joe Allen for things is absolute lunacy. A lot of the time I think of you like Larry in Curb your Enthusiasm because even though you go about things badly on here, you’ve often got a point and sometimes I agree. Not this time though - it’s as if Allen has personally offended you / slept with your wife to have such a straight-up wrong vendetta. Next time you start talking about Allen I’ll treat it the same as I do when people start a story with “I saw a ghost”. I turn off. It’s bollocks. No. When he was signed he was signed for DM. His first few months he played as the 10 behind Bony. He then got moved back. It’s not bullshit is it 🤦♂️ Hughes built the side around him and it was the complete wrong thing to do. All because of Euro 2016. So he was signed (by Hughes) as a DM but he (still Hughes) used him as a number 10? So he wasn’t signed as a DM then. There’s some inconsistencies with your argument through this thread. If you don’t like Allen that’s fine, but don’t throw in your bullshit to suit an argument. He’s both a DM and keeping Bojan out. Makes no sense. You talk about Allen like he’s Dave Brammer but he’s clearly a quality player. Like him or not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 17:02:29 GMT
No. When he was signed he was signed for DM. His first few months he played as the 10 behind Bony. He then got moved back. It’s not bullshit is it 🤦♂️ Hughes built the side around him and it was the complete wrong thing to do. All because of Euro 2016. So he was signed (by Hughes) as a DM but he (still Hughes) used him as a number 10? So he wasn’t signed as a DM then. There’s some inconsistencies with your argument through this thread. If you don’t like Allen that’s fine, but don’t throw in your bullshit to suit an argument. He’s both a DM and keeping Bojan out. Makes no sense. You talk about Allen like he’s Dave Brammer but he’s clearly a quality player. Like him or not. He was and was used there, not trusted and pushed forward because he couldn’t hold shape. No it’s not. He was signed for one role, couldn’t do it so was pushed up the pitch to play behind the striker. That happened! He scored a few goals as well and people were wanking him off despite the team not really having any pattern of play and there being no link there. It was awful. He really isn’t. He can’t do the basics. He can’t hold position and his touch is shocking. The thing that really annoys me with him though is how he can’t stay goal side. He’s always on the wrong side of play trying to recover from his positioni mistake hence the open road to the defence there usually is when he plays.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 27, 2020 17:28:51 GMT
No. When he was signed he was signed for DM. His first few months he played as the 10 behind Bony. He then got moved back. It’s not bullshit is it 🤦♂️ Hughes built the side around him and it was the complete wrong thing to do. All because of Euro 2016. So he was signed (by Hughes) as a DM but he (still Hughes) used him as a number 10? So he wasn’t signed as a DM then. There’s some inconsistencies with your argument through this thread. If you don’t like Allen that’s fine, but don’t throw in your bullshit to suit an argument. He’s both a DM and keeping Bojan out. Makes no sense. You talk about Allen like he’s Dave Brammer but he’s clearly a quality player. Like him or not. Hughes frequently signed players with a commitment to play them in one position and then reneged on his promise. Bojan is the best example - he promised to play him up front because he said he wasn’t interested in big centre forwards, but never did. He signed Diouf as a centre forward and tried to convert him to a wing back. And while we’re on the subject of Diouf, you only have watch the highlights of the 6-1 liverpool thrashing to see what a great player Diouf was when playing up front. He scored two excellent goals and laid a peach of a cross for Crouch to score number 6.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 27, 2020 17:36:52 GMT
So he was signed (by Hughes) as a DM but he (still Hughes) used him as a number 10? So he wasn’t signed as a DM then. There’s some inconsistencies with your argument through this thread. If you don’t like Allen that’s fine, but don’t throw in your bullshit to suit an argument. He’s both a DM and keeping Bojan out. Makes no sense. You talk about Allen like he’s Dave Brammer but he’s clearly a quality player. Like him or not. He was and was used there, not trusted and pushed forward because he couldn’t hold shape. No it’s not. He was signed for one role, couldn’t do it so was pushed up the pitch to play behind the striker. That happened! He scored a few goals as well and people were wanking him off despite the team not really having any pattern of play and there being no link there. It was awful. He really isn’t. He can’t do the basics. He can’t hold position and his touch is shocking. The thing that really annoys me with him though is how he can’t stay goal side. He’s always on the wrong side of play trying to recover from his positioni mistake hence the open road to the defence there usually is when he plays. If only the 10 or 11 managers who he’s played under both for clubs and country could have spotted these weaknesses then he wouldn’t have been a sure starter for every one of them🤣🤣🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 17:53:34 GMT
He was and was used there, not trusted and pushed forward because he couldn’t hold shape. No it’s not. He was signed for one role, couldn’t do it so was pushed up the pitch to play behind the striker. That happened! He scored a few goals as well and people were wanking him off despite the team not really having any pattern of play and there being no link there. It was awful. He really isn’t. He can’t do the basics. He can’t hold position and his touch is shocking. The thing that really annoys me with him though is how he can’t stay goal side. He’s always on the wrong side of play trying to recover from his positioni mistake hence the open road to the defence there usually is when he plays. If only the 10 or 11 managers who he’s played under both for clubs and country could have spotted these weaknesses then he wouldn’t have been a sure starter for every one of them🤣🤣🤣 I mean of the 5 managers that have selected him for us, 4 have been grossly incompetent.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 27, 2020 18:00:32 GMT
From Nov 9th 2019 until March 7th 2020 he was our best player under O’Neill so any manager worth their salt would want him back ASAP. Or maybe he should take notice of wannabe managers on here🤣🤣
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 27, 2020 18:00:34 GMT
If only the 10 or 11 managers who he’s played under both for clubs and country could have spotted these weaknesses then he wouldn’t have been a sure starter for every one of them🤣🤣🤣 I mean of the 5 managers that have selected him for us, 4 have been grossly incompetent. Not that you will be too bothered about this Bayern but he won a fans vote of performance of the decade at Liverpool for a match v Man City that Liverpool won 2-1 for his personal performance against arguably the best midfielder in the country at the time in Yaya Toure. Totally outshining him apparently. But hey, anyone can have one good game eh🙄
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 18:03:31 GMT
I think Joe Allen stole his Furby. The only rational explanation for this nonsense
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 18:24:15 GMT
I mean of the 5 managers that have selected him for us, 4 have been grossly incompetent. Not that you will be too bothered about this Bayern but he won a fans vote of performance of the decade at Liverpool for a match v Man City that Liverpool won 2-1 for his personal performance against arguably the best midfielder in the country at the time in Yaya Toure. Totally outshining him apparently. But hey, anyone can have one good game eh🙄 Let’s go back to these awful managers that you’ve glossed over they got sacked whilst consistently picking him.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 27, 2020 18:33:23 GMT
Having Allen back available can only be a good thing, especially at this time when fixtures come thick and fast and we have injuries occurring all over the shop. At this level he's one of the best players in this league, or was pre-injury.
Hughes mismanaged Allen - that's a fact. Playing him as a number 10 was ridiculous.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 27, 2020 18:35:00 GMT
Not that you will be too bothered about this Bayern but he won a fans vote of performance of the decade at Liverpool for a match v Man City that Liverpool won 2-1 for his personal performance against arguably the best midfielder in the country at the time in Yaya Toure. Totally outshining him apparently. But hey, anyone can have one good game eh🙄 Let’s go back to these awful managers that you’ve glossed over they got sacked whilst consistently picking him. Probably the same managers that would and did pick Ryan Shawcross in every game that he was fit to play in. But yet again that wouldn’t fit any agenda would it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 18:53:15 GMT
Swansea fans loved him and didn't want him to leave. To suggest that Joe Allen leaving Liverpool was a main reason for their upturn in fortunes is fuckwittery at it's finest, and ties in with the thinking that he is mainly to blame for our down turn in fortunes as well. Whether Joe Allen came here or not, we would have ended up in the same situation, and to suggest we haven't missed him is absolute bollocks, ask our manager if we have missed having him around the place. Would we? Hughes based his new tactics around him. The change to a back 3 was because of Euro 2016 and signing Allen. We haven’t missed him, points picked up have stayed the same. 🤷♂️ Yes we would. Do you seriously believe that the signing of one player was to blame for the whole shit show that surrounded our football club over the 4 or 5 year period that it did? Because that is what you seem to be alluding to. Our demise as a premier league football club and subsequent struggling championship side can be blamed on a whole catalogue of things, and to keep pedalling this nonsense that one player is one of the main sources of blame, is just that, nonsense. I could name a whole host of other footballers who shoulder far more blame than a man who has only ever given 100% for this football club, and also 4 managers who either lost their ability to manage or never had any in the first place. One thing I do know, is that we now have a manager who knows how to mould a "team", and I'll bet you as much as you like that once fit, Joe Allen will be an integral part of his midfield, because no matter what you and a few other nutjobs on here think, he is a massively important member of our squad and one of our better footballers at the club.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 27, 2020 19:17:43 GMT
Would we? Hughes based his new tactics around him. The change to a back 3 was because of Euro 2016 and signing Allen. We haven’t missed him, points picked up have stayed the same. 🤷♂️ Yes we would. Do you seriously believe that the signing of one player was to blame for the whole shit show that surrounded our football club over the 4 or 5 year period that it did? Because that is what you seem to be alluding to. Our demise as a premier league football club and subsequent struggling championship side can be blamed on a whole catalogue of things, and to keep pedalling this nonsense that one player is one of the main sources of blame, is just that, nonsense. I could name a whole host of other footballers who shoulder far more blame than a man who has only ever given 100% for this football club, and also 4 managers who either lost their ability to manage or never had any in the first place. One thing I do know, is that we now have a manager who knows how to mould a "team", and I'll bet you as much as you like that once fit, Joe Allen will be an integral part of his midfield, because no matter what you and a few other nutjobs on here think, he is a massively important member of our squad and one of our better footballers at the club. If one player was to blame surely it’s the likes of Wimmer and Imbula who are the candidates? Instead Bayern goes for the bloke who probably put in as much effort as anyone to try and avoid the drop.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 27, 2020 19:27:26 GMT
Let’s go back to these awful managers that you’ve glossed over they got sacked whilst consistently picking him. Probably the same managers that would and did pick Ryan Shawcross in every game that he was fit to play in. But yet again that wouldn’t fit any agenda would it. In that time our points with and without Shawcross was like chalk and cheese. Or so a stat on here I saw once said 😂
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