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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 7:08:54 GMT
They need to bring out a streaming season ticket then. I’d rather my money go to the club but £10 per game is far too steep. Agreed and I'd sign up for that today if it came out. Half of my family have been shielding anyway, so with the increase in cases and potentially another lockdown I don't think I'd be that interested in returning anyway as I'd probably have to go on my own, and even then that would make my family uncomfortable. Looking at the lengths the Norwich fans had to go to on Saturday (watched highlights on Quest) it looks about as much fun as a wake. I saw loads of fans with their personal belongings in clear plastic bags (not sure if that is a requirement), having to have their temperature taken on the way in, very controlled in their movements, can't leave early or move around early etc. No thanks. Sack it off.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 22, 2020 7:10:08 GMT
I’m just going fuck off up the Vale 😎
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Post by jeycov on Sept 22, 2020 7:15:58 GMT
They need to bring out a streaming season ticket then. I’d rather my money go to the club but £10 per game is far too steep. The cost is reasonable if balanced against just how much a game actually costs each fan for every game The atmosphere on the streaming is so sterile however which makes it dull entertainment Surely some louder recorded crowd background noise could be used to create a bit more atmosphere Either just for those listening on the stream or also in the ground to create some atmosphere for the players If £10 helps keep the club going it’s fine
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Post by stokeuk474 on Sept 22, 2020 7:28:33 GMT
The whole thing is a fucking joke. As other people have quite rightly pointed out, you can go to shopping centres, pubs, restaurants etc and you're more likely to get Covid there than outside at a football match.
It has been shown from the pilots, that it can be so well controlled that the risk is ridiculously low.
I think we most definitely will see some clubs go this winter unless something changes very quickly.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2020 7:39:13 GMT
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Post by bloodtypered on Sept 22, 2020 7:39:21 GMT
Forget watching this season
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Post by thetron on Sept 22, 2020 7:48:17 GMT
It's the obvious thing to do. I can't believe the government would even entertain the idea of bringing fans back.
The Covid cases are through the roof again due to people not social distancing (something the government didn't help with when they offered the eat out to help out scheme, shot themselves in the foot there), flying off on holiday etc.
So encouraging people to congregate at a football match will just be another idiotic decision to make.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 22, 2020 7:51:53 GMT
Not much difference between them and league one and two. You do wonder if those leagues will be paused also?
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 22, 2020 7:57:10 GMT
They need to bring out a streaming season ticket then. I’d rather my money go to the club but £10 per game is far too steep. Agreed and I'd sign up for that today if it came out. Half of my family have been shielding anyway, so with the increase in cases and potentially another lockdown I don't think I'd be that interested in returning anyway as I'd probably have to go on my own, and even then that would make my family uncomfortable. Looking at the lengths the Norwich fans had to go to on Saturday (watched highlights on Quest) it looks about as much fun as a wake. I saw loads of fans with their personal belongings in clear plastic bags (not sure if that is a requirement), having to have their temperature taken on the way in, very controlled in their movements, can't leave early or move around early etc. No thanks. Sack it off. Not sure which is worse, I must be the worst stream watcher in the world. Because I'm at the computer I'm regularly swapping over to my favourite 'tube channels, I must have the attention span of two year old with these things. At the match I can't do that. The Norwich experience does sound grim and why you need to wander around with your stuff in a plastic bag is anyone's guess. This virus can probably live off a coat or belt so it's a pointless thing to do. We do need a season ticket to encourage us to buy a stream now saying all of that. 2-300 for a full season home, away & cups would see a lot of sales. The club could also make other offers available on clothing for anyone buying one.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 22, 2020 8:03:58 GMT
Unless you can produce your ticket stub from the Texaco cup quarter final against Motherwell in 70/71 then forget it. That’ll be your old man’s😄 All mine that. If I'm allowed to plunder his collection I'd probably find cup ties against Corinthians and Old Etonians amongst them!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 22, 2020 8:23:33 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 22, 2020 8:24:05 GMT
Agreed and I'd sign up for that today if it came out. Half of my family have been shielding anyway, so with the increase in cases and potentially another lockdown I don't think I'd be that interested in returning anyway as I'd probably have to go on my own, and even then that would make my family uncomfortable. Looking at the lengths the Norwich fans had to go to on Saturday (watched highlights on Quest) it looks about as much fun as a wake. I saw loads of fans with their personal belongings in clear plastic bags (not sure if that is a requirement), having to have their temperature taken on the way in, very controlled in their movements, can't leave early or move around early etc. No thanks. Sack it off. Not sure which is worse, I must be the worst stream watcher in the world. Because I'm at the computer I'm regularly swapping over to my favourite 'tube channels, I must have the attention span of two year old with these things. At the match I can't do that. The Norwich experience does sound grim and why you need to wander around with your stuff in a plastic bag is anyone's guess. This virus can probably live off a coat or belt so it's a pointless thing to do. We do need a season ticket to encourage us to buy a stream now saying all of that. 2-300 for a full season home, away & cups would see a lot of sales. The club could also make other offers available on clothing for anyone buying one. What makes it worse for me are the constant text updates from mates following on sky sports news. Usually about 2 minutes before the action appears on screen. Couldn't face the first few games on streaming, would probably cave in if a 'season pass' was made available by the club...it really does become a case of suffering in silence (turn off the commemtary)
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2020 8:47:51 GMT
The whole thing is a fucking joke. As other people have quite rightly pointed out, you can go to shopping centres, pubs, restaurants etc and you're more likely to get Covid there than outside at a football match. It has been shown from the pilots, that it can be so well controlled that the risk is ridiculously low. I think we most definitely will see some clubs go this winter unless something changes very quickly. The biggest danger certainly appears to be in crowded, poorly ventilated INDOOR venues where there is no social distancing - including parties in residential properties of all types and sizes. I am sure that if they had stuck with the plans for 25% - 33% occupancy of the stands PLUS measures to enlarge the concourses by opening the exit doors and have barriers to create outdoor concourse areas, they could have gone ahead with playing games with limited attendances. All the way through, this government does not seem to have brought a great deal of common sense to its rules. I never saw much reason why, for example garden centres could not have been open from the start if the tills had been either outside or behind a hatch so the the queue remained outside. Similarly, pubs and restaurants could have been allowed to remain open from the start if they had limited themselves to table service by staff with masks - and only to those tables OUTSIDE or under gazebos etc. Even now I see in todays paper that several Universities are having problems with "Fresher parties" why on earth didn't they simply announce that anyone attending such parties would lose their place at University? It is an overused phrase - but it really isn't rocket science. Rant over!
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2020 8:48:10 GMT
Terrible situation now. Hard to see anything moving over the winter.
So are we looking at spring? What a disaster.
A calendar year without fans - how the hell can the lower leagues survive without billions of quid worth of help?
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 22, 2020 8:51:17 GMT
They need to bring out a streaming season ticket then. I’d rather my money go to the club but £10 per game is far too steep. I asked about this when the season ticket plans were announced a couple of weeks ago and was told that it's out of the club's hands. The best thing to do would be for the parties who do have a say - the FL, Sky and IPTV - to come together and come up with a common sense solution that enables people to watch games at a sensible price. I'd never go for one of the, ahem, legally questionable 'unofficial' streams, but you're going to struggle to get people to pay £460 plus cup games for a season worth of streaming when there's an arguably better product available for less than 10% of that. They'll make less money by charging such over-the-top amounts. I feel really sorry for the club in all of this. I can't believe that people ever seriously thought that supporters would be going back, but an almighty amount of work went into their Red and White masterplan. We're at least fortunate enough to be backed by megarich owners; I dread to think how less fortunate clubs will survive this.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 22, 2020 8:53:05 GMT
Terrible situation now. Hard to see anything moving over the winter. So are we looking at spring? What a disaster. A calendar year without fans - how the hell can the lower leagues survive without billions of quid worth of help? It's about time some of that Premier League revenue was spent propping up the lower leagues rather than buying golden toilet seats for superagents.
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Post by salfordstokie on Sept 22, 2020 8:54:57 GMT
It looks like many clubs wont be able to survive these ridiculous measures. Small clubs like Macclesfield will go under without fans and all because of these draconian rules. I wonder if people will still be screaming to be locked down when their clubs are being wound up?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 9:03:49 GMT
I think £20m from the Premier League prize money pot for each club (£400m total) would go a long way to mitigating the current crisis. Then scrap FFP to allow clubs like Stoke with rich owners to do what they need to do to get through this.
What others sports could do without those riches to hand I have no idea?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 9:04:46 GMT
I think £20m from the Premier League prize money pot for each club (£400m total) would go a long way to mitigating the current crisis. Then scrap FFP to allow clubs like Stoke with rich owners to do what they need to do to get through this. What others sports could do without those riches to hand I have no idea? Of course, let Stoke spend what they want to. I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 9:08:30 GMT
I think £20m from the Premier League prize money pot for each club (£400m total) would go a long way to mitigating the current crisis. Then scrap FFP to allow clubs like Stoke with rich owners to do what they need to do to get through this. What others sports could do without those riches to hand I have no idea? Of course, let Stoke spend what they want to. I like it. The fact that scrapping FFP would totally benefit us never even entered my head. How dare you..................
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Post by flea79 on Sept 22, 2020 9:09:40 GMT
I think £20m from the Premier League prize money pot for each club (£400m total) would go a long way to mitigating the current crisis. Then scrap FFP to allow clubs like Stoke with rich owners to do what they need to do to get through this. What others sports could do without those riches to hand I have no idea? it could be an idea to allow clubs with wealthy owners to spend own money outside of FFP or p & s rules and not take any money from a pot put aside and thus leave more for the less wealthy clubs
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2020 9:12:34 GMT
theathletic.co.uk/2067739/“We need to start getting fans back into grounds or clubs will go to the wall,” says Mark Catlin, chief executive of League One side Portsmouth. “It really is as simple as that. Clubs have been holding on for a percentage of their fans back at games but now it feels like a rug is being pulled from under us.
“If this carries on for much longer, it will be a catastrophe for English football. Most of the money clubs have been spending for the last six months have been advances. We’ve had no new income.
“The government has helped out other industries with things like the ‘Eat out to help out’ scheme for pubs and restaurants (with some offering a 50 per cent discount Monday to Wednesday from August 3 to 31) but all we’ve had is false dawns. We’ve all done so much work to be ready, only for them to move the goalposts.
“We are at breaking point. I know it hasn’t happened yet but when it does, clubs will fall like dominoes.”
A Premier League club CEO, who was speaking on condition of anonymity, adds: “If this continues for an indefinite period, we’re going to see clubs disappearing.
“For the clubs outside the Premier League, this situation is unsustainable: little or no TV income, no non match-day income, no match-day income and yet all the players under contract and staff they’ve got to have ready and waiting to put on a game if and when they can.
“There will come a point when (the professional game is) in real trouble and, to be honest, it’s not far away. It’s getting critical, it really is.”
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 22, 2020 9:15:23 GMT
theathletic.co.uk/2067739/“We need to start getting fans back into grounds or clubs will go to the wall,” says Mark Catlin, chief executive of League One side Portsmouth. “It really is as simple as that. Clubs have been holding on for a percentage of their fans back at games but now it feels like a rug is being pulled from under us.
“If this carries on for much longer, it will be a catastrophe for English football. Most of the money clubs have been spending for the last six months have been advances. We’ve had no new income.
“The government has helped out other industries with things like the ‘Eat out to help out’ scheme for pubs and restaurants (with some offering a 50 per cent discount Monday to Wednesday from August 3 to 31) but all we’ve had is false dawns. We’ve all done so much work to be ready, only for them to move the goalposts.
“We are at breaking point. I know it hasn’t happened yet but when it does, clubs will fall like dominoes.”
A Premier League club CEO, who was speaking on condition of anonymity, adds: “If this continues for an indefinite period, we’re going to see clubs disappearing.
“For the clubs outside the Premier League, this situation is unsustainable: little or no TV income, no non match-day income, no match-day income and yet all the players under contract and staff they’ve got to have ready and waiting to put on a game if and when they can.
“There will come a point when (the professional game is) in real trouble and, to be honest, it’s not far away. It’s getting critical, it really is.”
That sounds as bleak as can be doesn’t it.
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Post by albundy on Sept 22, 2020 9:27:01 GMT
It looks like many clubs wont be able to survive these ridiculous measures. Small clubs like Macclesfield will go under without fans and all because of these draconian rules. I wonder if people will still be screaming to be locked down when their clubs are being wound up? Macc were wound up last week. More through their fantasist owner than covid
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Post by franklin on Sept 22, 2020 9:30:52 GMT
theathletic.co.uk/2067739/“We need to start getting fans back into grounds or clubs will go to the wall,” says Mark Catlin, chief executive of League One side Portsmouth. “It really is as simple as that. Clubs have been holding on for a percentage of their fans back at games but now it feels like a rug is being pulled from under us.
“If this carries on for much longer, it will be a catastrophe for English football. Most of the money clubs have been spending for the last six months have been advances. We’ve had no new income.
“The government has helped out other industries with things like the ‘Eat out to help out’ scheme for pubs and restaurants (with some offering a 50 per cent discount Monday to Wednesday from August 3 to 31) but all we’ve had is false dawns. We’ve all done so much work to be ready, only for them to move the goalposts.
“We are at breaking point. I know it hasn’t happened yet but when it does, clubs will fall like dominoes.”
A Premier League club CEO, who was speaking on condition of anonymity, adds: “If this continues for an indefinite period, we’re going to see clubs disappearing.
“For the clubs outside the Premier League, this situation is unsustainable: little or no TV income, no non match-day income, no match-day income and yet all the players under contract and staff they’ve got to have ready and waiting to put on a game if and when they can.
“There will come a point when (the professional game is) in real trouble and, to be honest, it’s not far away. It’s getting critical, it really is.”
That sounds as bleak as can be doesn’t it. Which is why we need to get back everyone else in society has some help and restrictions lifted or eased why not sport. Im not telling people they should attend if they are worried but I'm not and don't see why a person can not make an informed decision to attend a game if they want too.
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Post by salfordstokie on Sept 22, 2020 9:42:28 GMT
It looks like many clubs wont be able to survive these ridiculous measures. Small clubs like Macclesfield will go under without fans and all because of these draconian rules. I wonder if people will still be screaming to be locked down when their clubs are being wound up? Macc were wound up last week. More through their fantasist owner than covid But with no matchday income, similar sized clubs in the lower leagues will fold. These measures are destroying communities and taking away local clubs is part of that.
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 22, 2020 9:48:14 GMT
It looks like many clubs wont be able to survive these ridiculous measures. Small clubs like Macclesfield will go under without fans and all because of these draconian rules. I wonder if people will still be screaming to be locked down when their clubs are being wound up? Macc were wound up last week. More through their fantasist owner than covid May be true for Macc, but certainly not others. Gillingham would have expected a reasonable pay-day on Wednesday as they would have received a decent share of SCFC's gate receipts. They will now get absolutely nothing other than a dribble of 10 quids and a tiny percentage from sponsors. There is no money coming in at that level. It's totally unsustainable and you'd expect 95% of clubs below our league to vanish unless this is sorted out.
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Post by dadofsam on Sept 22, 2020 10:00:51 GMT
The tories will do nothing to help football, they're huntin' shootin' horse ridin' & if they fancy slumming it with the oiks golfin' types.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2020 10:14:42 GMT
The tories will do nothing to help football, they're huntin' shootin' horse ridin' & if they fancy slumming it with the oiks golfin' types. I wonder if Stoke have access to an endless supply of game birds? They could release pheasants and partridge every day and invite fans to shoot them for a fee - one of the few sports that the government allows at the moment. They could even have deer stalking in the car parks and fox hunting (without killing the fox of course) at Clayton Woods. With a bit of imagination there is no reason why we can't get through this!
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Post by stokecity4life on Sept 22, 2020 10:45:29 GMT
Basically they will have worked out the clubs could just about survive until October - hence the scheduled re-opening.....
Now if they are to pause it - they will have to act.
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