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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 14:08:30 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective.
We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 18, 2020 14:11:03 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. It's akin to stealing a penny chew rather than the adjacent bottle of Dom Perignon!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 18, 2020 14:12:07 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. So, would you have refused to sell him to Palace on Friday?
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Oct 18, 2020 14:16:32 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Oct 18, 2020 14:16:32 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. Maybe they have, but it was the best deal we could get at the time.
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Oct 18, 2020 14:27:36 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 18, 2020 14:27:36 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. Maybe they have, but it was the best deal we could get at the time. It was the only deal.... I wish him well and there doesn't seem to be anyone who has a bad word to say about him personally, I however am not sure he will turn his career around, his first interview at Palace he was talking about getting back in the England squad with his form in the last 12 months and the varying ways he found to give goals away he'd have been better served talking about trying to get in the palace team and cut out the errors he has been making. Joe Hart was a far better and more experienced keeper and he has struggled to turn his career around.
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Oct 18, 2020 14:30:35 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 18, 2020 14:30:35 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. Maybe they have, but it was the best deal we could get at the time. Categorical not the point we’ve had 4 years to sell him at market rate and 2 1/2 of those in the championship and a relegation in the middle . Our transfer strategy here has seen us get the worst of both worlds poor performance on pitch and 25% of what we paid for a England international at 26 off it . It’s incompetence on a grand scale and given Bauer , Wimmer , Badou , Etebo Berahino all have similar or worse horror stories it makes the custodianship Of the owners investment nothing short of disgusting driven by Toxic mix of self protection , empire building ,arrogance , laziness and cluelessness . We a reputation now where it doesn’t need a trained killer like levy to expose every ceo , chairman and manger in the world knows it even geriatrics and Turkish bottom feeders
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Oct 18, 2020 14:33:50 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Oct 18, 2020 14:33:50 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. So, would you have refused to sell him to Palace on Friday? I'm not sure it's about refusing to sell him, it's who holds the cards and to me Palace wanted him and didn't have an alternative. Not say we could have demanded 5 million but look at the Will Grigg situation on Sunderland Till I die. Palace may have called our bluff and we fell for it. Happy he's left as he deserves a fresh start and think getting Gunn in is much better option.
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Oct 18, 2020 14:40:22 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 18, 2020 14:40:22 GMT
Maybe they have, but it was the best deal we could get at the time. Categorical not the point we’ve had 4 years to sell him at market rate and 2 1/2 of those in the championship and a relegation in the middle . Our transfer strategy here has seen us get the worst of both worlds poor performance on pitch and 25% of what we paid for a England international at 26 off it . It’s incompetence on a grand scale and given Bauer , Wimmer , Badou , Etebo Berahino all have similar or worse horror stories it makes the custodianship Of the owners investment nothing short of disgusting driven by Toxic mix of self protection , empire building ,arrogance , laziness and cluelessness . We a reputation now where it doesn’t need a trained killer like levy to expose every ceo , chairman and manger in the world knows it even geriatrics and Turkish bottom feeders The only concrete offer for him before Palace was Villa last summer which I believe was £15mish which at the time most people would have agreed was less than he was worth. The only teams that would have paid his market value were the big 8 and unfortunately Jack picked the worst possible time to turn in too many average and below average performances espicially in the championship where his performances on actual ability should have been similar or better to Davies's.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 18, 2020 14:45:26 GMT
Maybe they have, but it was the best deal we could get at the time. Categorical not the point we’ve had 4 years to sell him at market rate and 2 1/2 of those in the championship and a relegation in the middle . Our transfer strategy here has seen us get the worst of both worlds poor performance on pitch and 25% of what we paid for a England international at 26 off it . It’s incompetence on a grand scale and given Bauer , Wimmer , Badou , Etebo Berahino all have similar or worse horror stories it makes the custodianship Of the owners investment nothing short of disgusting driven by Toxic mix of self protection , empire building ,arrogance , laziness and cluelessness . We a reputation now where it doesn’t need a trained killer like levy to expose every ceo , chairman and manger in the world knows it even geriatrics and Turkish bottom feeders We we’re keen to go straight back and invested £60 million up so why sell a goalkeeper who had performed well over time? The next season we tried to sell him for a large fee but the market wasn’t there. If he had been sold at a cut price you would have been first to wade in. Then he lost form to a degree no-one could have expected. It seems to me it was a series of decisions that were rational at each point but with hindsight didn’t work out.
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Oct 18, 2020 16:59:50 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Oct 18, 2020 16:59:50 GMT
Maybe they have, but it was the best deal we could get at the time. Categorical not the point we’ve had 4 years to sell him at market rate and 2 1/2 of those in the championship and a relegation in the middle . Our transfer strategy here has seen us get the worst of both worlds poor performance on pitch and 25% of what we paid for a England international at 26 off it . It’s incompetence on a grand scale and given Bauer , Wimmer , Badou , Etebo Berahino all have similar or worse horror stories it makes the custodianship Of the owners investment nothing short of disgusting driven by Toxic mix of self protection , empire building ,arrogance , laziness and cluelessness . We a reputation now where it doesn’t need a trained killer like levy to expose every ceo , chairman and manger in the world knows it even geriatrics and Turkish bottom feeders Hindsight eh. We should have sold when we first came down, we didn't, we should have sold last summer, w didn't. We'll find out in a few years whether we did the right thing selling him now...
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Oct 18, 2020 17:07:58 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 18, 2020 17:07:58 GMT
Categorical not the point we’ve had 4 years to sell him at market rate and 2 1/2 of those in the championship and a relegation in the middle . Our transfer strategy here has seen us get the worst of both worlds poor performance on pitch and 25% of what we paid for a England international at 26 off it . It’s incompetence on a grand scale and given Bauer , Wimmer , Badou , Etebo Berahino all have similar or worse horror stories it makes the custodianship Of the owners investment nothing short of disgusting driven by Toxic mix of self protection , empire building ,arrogance , laziness and cluelessness . We a reputation now where it doesn’t need a trained killer like levy to expose every ceo , chairman and manger in the world knows it even geriatrics and Turkish bottom feeders The only concrete offer for him before Palace was Villa last summer which I believe was £15mish which at the time most people would have agreed was less than he was worth. The only teams that would have paid his market value were the big 8 and unfortunately Jack picked the worst possible time to turn in too many average and below average performances espicially in the championship where his performances on actual ability should have been similar or better to Davies's. If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 18, 2020 17:11:43 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. We need to save money what do people expect
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Oct 18, 2020 17:12:12 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 18, 2020 17:12:12 GMT
Categorical not the point we’ve had 4 years to sell him at market rate and 2 1/2 of those in the championship and a relegation in the middle . Our transfer strategy here has seen us get the worst of both worlds poor performance on pitch and 25% of what we paid for a England international at 26 off it . It’s incompetence on a grand scale and given Bauer , Wimmer , Badou , Etebo Berahino all have similar or worse horror stories it makes the custodianship Of the owners investment nothing short of disgusting driven by Toxic mix of self protection , empire building ,arrogance , laziness and cluelessness . We a reputation now where it doesn’t need a trained killer like levy to expose every ceo , chairman and manger in the world knows it even geriatrics and Turkish bottom feeders Hindsight eh. We should have sold when we first came down, we didn't, we should have sold last summer, w didn't. We'll find out in a few years whether we did the right thing selling him now... Not hindsight for me. Selling him and Allen should have been priority number 1 upon relegation.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 18, 2020 17:20:52 GMT
The only concrete offer for him before Palace was Villa last summer which I believe was £15mish which at the time most people would have agreed was less than he was worth. The only teams that would have paid his market value were the big 8 and unfortunately Jack picked the worst possible time to turn in too many average and below average performances espicially in the championship where his performances on actual ability should have been similar or better to Davies's. If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history . Not true. That’s like turning down a 5000 offer for a car that’s worth 8,000, and a year later it is in a bad crash that reduces its value to 1000.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Oct 18, 2020 17:29:18 GMT
Very good ploy by Butland and his advisors - worked very hard to run down his contract 12 months earlier when he would have gone for free and negotiated a good personal deal. So the strategy to “not play very well” to run down his value And have a better option for clubs to afford him worked to a certain extent, although I still think he was after a bigger club as second keeper then start to prove himself again. So he’s fucked stoke City FC - I only hope there was at least a 50% add on clause should he prove himself in the nest 3 or 4 years and move for a proper fee.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 18, 2020 17:41:35 GMT
If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history . Not true. That’s like turning down a 5000 offer for a car that’s worth 8,000, and a year later it is in a bad crash that reduces its value to 1000. It’s a indefensible record Butland , Imbula , Bauer , berahino , wimmer , BMI , etebo , Badou , palacios , represent a capital depreciation on capital employed of circa £90m excluding wages , on international footballers , no executive should survive chucking away nearly £100m of investor funds not to mention vokes , Ince , in that time we’ve made one profitable transaction in Arnie so is says he’s chucked away £70 million pounds and overseen a relegation losing north I’d a £ 100millions of revenue thats like crashing 10 cars not 1 .
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Post by nott1 on Oct 18, 2020 17:41:43 GMT
I expect TS has built in a massive sell on deal! snigger.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 18, 2020 17:47:17 GMT
The only concrete offer for him before Palace was Villa last summer which I believe was £15mish which at the time most people would have agreed was less than he was worth. The only teams that would have paid his market value were the big 8 and unfortunately Jack picked the worst possible time to turn in too many average and below average performances espicially in the championship where his performances on actual ability should have been similar or better to Davies's. If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history . I'm sure you won't need any evidence for that, it'll soon become fact for you now.
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Post by wazbagsbro on Oct 18, 2020 17:50:01 GMT
When we signed Bojan from Barc. they let him go for half million so not to hamper his transfer to the only club that really wanted him ,Stoke. It was a thank you for his service (partly) Butland has gone for a token amount to the only prem club making an offer. If the Coates family were skint he would of gone when at the top of his game .Stoke are basically writing off the value of all the players they want gone and starting from scratch because we are in the unbelievable position that the owners can afford to right that money off.Why Stoke Fans worry about how much players fetch in profits like we are still in 80's of 90's. I understand FFP. But what we get for sales doesn't equate to who we can sign and hasn't for 10 or so years
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Post by Miles Offside on Oct 18, 2020 17:57:16 GMT
Sky sports described the deal as a 'steal' from Palace perspective. We're repeatedly mugged off and those responsible remain in their jobs to inflict their satanic business acumen on the club. So, would you have refused to sell him to Palace on Friday? Barring Davies having a calamitous drop in form, or getting injured, Butland quite likely wouldn't have played for us again. Looks like there were no other offers. So, absolutely, the right thing was to sell him.
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Oct 18, 2020 18:16:45 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 18, 2020 18:16:45 GMT
If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history . I'm sure you won't need any evidence for that, it'll soon become fact for you now. I didn’t volunteer it or suggest it , and nor did my reply assume it to be fact so i am afraid your mistaken there .
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Oct 18, 2020 18:18:23 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 18, 2020 18:18:23 GMT
The only concrete offer for him before Palace was Villa last summer which I believe was £15mish which at the time most people would have agreed was less than he was worth. The only teams that would have paid his market value were the big 8 and unfortunately Jack picked the worst possible time to turn in too many average and below average performances espicially in the championship where his performances on actual ability should have been similar or better to Davies's. If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history . It doesn't matter how many times you post it, it's still not true. If you think anyone but the Coates family has the final say on transfer fees and deals you must be a bit puddled, manager identifies player, ceo will then negotiate the deal to the budget he has been given by the family, they may or may not listen to Scholes recommendations, deal gets done or doesn't.
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Oct 18, 2020 18:19:44 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 18, 2020 18:19:44 GMT
If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history . I'm sure you won't need any evidence for that, it'll soon become fact for you now. Villa fans were talking about it on twitter said we wanted 18m so they went for Heaton.
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Oct 18, 2020 18:20:46 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 18, 2020 18:20:46 GMT
If we really did turn down £15m last year the crime sheet just got a whole lot worse The ceo is very very very highly paid for his alleged ability to judge the market as the executive entirely responsible for all football related matters the whole Butland mess sits at his door as do so many other diabolical decisions that three away the golden opportunity of our history . It doesn't matter how many times you post it, it's still not true. If you think anyone but the Coates family has the final say on transfer fees and deals you must be a bit puddled, manager identifies player, ceo will then negotiate the deal to the budget he has been given by the family, they may or may not listen to Scholes recommendations, deal gets done or doesn't. Ceo negotiates deals that have lost Company £100m by your own hand . Well it’s all alright then he’s doing a top job for 800k a year
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Oct 18, 2020 21:08:47 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 18, 2020 21:08:47 GMT
It doesn't matter how many times you post it, it's still not true. If you think anyone but the Coates family has the final say on transfer fees and deals you must be a bit puddled, manager identifies player, ceo will then negotiate the deal to the budget he has been given by the family, they may or may not listen to Scholes recommendations, deal gets done or doesn't. Ceo negotiates deals that have lost Company £100m by your own hand . Well it’s all alright then he’s doing a top job for 800k a year Yes negotiated, he didn't scout, identify, coach or pick tactics for the players signed. Thats why Coates has sacked the managers who did. It's not like there isn't stuff within his remit, ticketing, matchday experience, commercial operations you can fairly criticise him for without continuing with the ludicrous idea the fact too many of our signings turned out crap is his fault.
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Oct 18, 2020 21:12:21 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 18, 2020 21:12:21 GMT
Ceo negotiates deals that have lost Company £100m by your own hand . Well it’s all alright then he’s doing a top job for 800k a year Yes negotiated, he didn't scout, identify, coach or pick tactics for the players signed. Thats why Coates has sacked the managers who did. It's not like there isn't stuff within his remit, ticketing, matchday experience, commercial operations you can fairly criticise him for without continuing with the ludicrous idea the fact too many of our signings turned out crap is his fault. No but the over inflated fees and wages is as he does all the negotiations re money
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Oct 18, 2020 21:22:29 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 18, 2020 21:22:29 GMT
Yes negotiated, he didn't scout, identify, coach or pick tactics for the players signed. Thats why Coates has sacked the managers who did. It's not like there isn't stuff within his remit, ticketing, matchday experience, commercial operations you can fairly criticise him for without continuing with the ludicrous idea the fact too many of our signings turned out crap is his fault. No but the over inflated fees and wages is as he does all the negotiations re money Yes and no he negotiates either to a budget given or presents the deal to the family who sign the cheque or don't, if it was really him who valued the players you think he'd still be there ?
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Oct 18, 2020 21:34:06 GMT
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 18, 2020 21:34:06 GMT
Bauer, Allen and Shawcross were the only ones.... Yes, I think I read that Jack was offered the same deal as the other 3 but declined, saying he was part of the team that got relegated and would face the consequences of that like the rest of the team (except the few mentioned above). Not sure Ryan was offered it but automatically got it via a different clause in his contract. Earnings match top pay.
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Oct 18, 2020 22:19:14 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 18, 2020 22:19:14 GMT
Ceo negotiates deals that have lost Company £100m by your own hand . Well it’s all alright then he’s doing a top job for 800k a year Yes negotiated, he didn't scout, identify, coach or pick tactics for the players signed. Thats why Coates has sacked the managers who did. It's not like there isn't stuff within his remit, ticketing, matchday experience, commercial operations you can fairly criticise him for without continuing with the ludicrous idea the fact too many of our signings turned out crap is his fault. He said himself root and brand reform and then reendorsed a process of which. He is the skit senrir executive if all he does is ticketing. And commercial operations he’s overpaid by 750k per annum
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 19, 2020 0:49:24 GMT
Yes negotiated, he didn't scout, identify, coach or pick tactics for the players signed. Thats why Coates has sacked the managers who did. It's not like there isn't stuff within his remit, ticketing, matchday experience, commercial operations you can fairly criticise him for without continuing with the ludicrous idea the fact too many of our signings turned out crap is his fault. He said himself root and brand reform and then reendorsed a process of which. He is the skit senrir executive if all he does is ticketing. And commercial operations he’s overpaid by 750k per annum Glad you cleared that up.
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