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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:36:36 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 20:36:36 GMT
What are those serious technical problems...out of interest. You need a list? Sure ill go for it Shit at pennos Never comes for crosses Shit at one-on-ones Cant kick Never saves low down near the post But what are the technical deficiencies that lead to those weaknesses? It was a very specific criticism hence my very specific question.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 13, 2020 20:37:08 GMT
Being a vampire is one! Absolutely no control of his area the second I reckon. The lad is low on confidence and he has been let down by his defence a fair bit but he is just not the player we had a couple of years ago. H Not really technical that though is it? Depends on what you call 'technical' frightened of crosses, slow to react to through balls into the box, completely useless at penalties and failing to dominate the area may not be 'technical' but they're big issues for Jack.
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Post by RAF on Aug 13, 2020 20:38:12 GMT
What actually is technical about goalkeeping? Shot stopping? Commanding his area? Dealing with crosses? Kicking? The only thing I can think is actually technical is closing down the angles on an attacker. All the above he's not been great at over the last couple of years. H You'd be surprised. Stick to golf mate :) I would be, you are right. Been playing quite a bit recently. Shooting mid to low 80's gross which I'm happy with. New p790's are helping. H
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Post by liathroid on Aug 13, 2020 20:38:55 GMT
If Bursik isn't ready I Can see Stoke going for Joe Hart on a free and loaning Butland out if his wages can get paid. Even a swap deal for Begovic would do in my opinion wages ,what would Hart or Bego want
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:39:33 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 20:39:33 GMT
Not really technical that though is it? Depends on what you call 'technical' frightened of crosses, slow to react to through balls into the box, completely useless at penalties and failing to dominate the area may not be 'technical' but they're big issues for Jack. But whoever it was said technical issues hence my question. Listing his weaknesses is easy. Saying he's shot is easy. Had the post I responded to done those things, I wouldn't have responded to it. I'll await a response from the relevant poster now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 20:41:49 GMT
You'd be surprised. Stick to golf mate I would be, you are right. Been playing quite a bit recently. Shooting mid to low 80's gross which I'm happy with. New p790's are helping. H Nice one. My golf is absolutely shite and if it carries on like this I'll soon be retiring from golf for good. Its fair to say I've got some technical problems
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:42:19 GMT
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 13, 2020 20:42:19 GMT
Thanks and good look Jack. Amazed if we get over 3m for him (and pleased).
Currently he’s shocking but form is temporary as they say, class is permanent, and he was once.
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:43:34 GMT
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 13, 2020 20:43:34 GMT
If Bursik isn't ready I Can see Stoke going for Joe Hart on a free and loaning Butland out if his wages can get paid. Even a swap deal for Begovic would do in my opinion wages ,what would Hart or Bego want Not sure how tight we need to be on wages, however I could see Hart signing, he'll be lucky to pick up another Premiership club now as a number 1 won't he? Begovic, I don't know what he earns but if a buyer doesn't come in we could maybe do a 2 way loan deal as in Begovic to Stoke and Butland to Bouremouth to run his contract down. Id be surprised if Begovic is on a lot more if any more than Butland
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 13, 2020 20:44:53 GMT
You need a list? Sure ill go for it Shit at pennos Never comes for crosses Shit at one-on-ones Cant kick Never saves low down near the post But what are the technical deficiencies that lead to those weaknesses? It was a very specific criticism hence my very specific question. He cant read the game - hence he doesnt know which way to dive on a penalty or when to come for a cross or when to come out of goal to sweep up. He is great at instinctive saves but sometimes cant dive wide enough when a long range effort is heading to the corner. These were exacerbated by his injury for sure. But we have watched him for years now and he has serious technical issues.
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:47:34 GMT
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Post by RAF on Aug 13, 2020 20:47:34 GMT
I would be, you are right. Been playing quite a bit recently. Shooting mid to low 80's gross which I'm happy with. New p790's are helping. H Nice one. My golf is absolutely shite and if it carries on like this I'll soon be retiring from golf for good. Its fair to say I've got some technical problems :) Maybe you and Jack should get together and talk about it ;) H
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 13, 2020 20:48:33 GMT
Depends on what you call 'technical' frightened of crosses, slow to react to through balls into the box, completely useless at penalties and failing to dominate the area may not be 'technical' but they're big issues for Jack. But whoever it was said technical issues hence my question. Listing his weaknesses is easy. Saying he's shot is easy. Had the post I responded to done those things, I wouldn't have responded to it. I'll await a response from the relevant poster now. Technical sounds grand but means whether he is good at a particular subject, I reckon Jack has had technical issues for a couple of seasons now.
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Post by liathroid on Aug 13, 2020 20:49:53 GMT
Depends on what you call 'technical' frightened of crosses, slow to react to through balls into the box, completely useless at penalties and failing to dominate the area may not be 'technical' but they're big issues for Jack. But whoever it was said technical issues hence my question. Listing his weaknesses is easy. Saying he's shot is easy. Had the post I responded to done those things, I wouldn't have responded to it. I'll await a response from the relevant poster now. think that injury really fucked him up big ,fear of crosses maybe fear of jumping in a crowd ,the line is his comfort, was a good shot stopper but now dives in slow motion,hard to figure it out really what happened to him
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:53:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 20:53:08 GMT
But whoever it was said technical issues hence my question. Listing his weaknesses is easy. Saying he's shot is easy. Had the post I responded to done those things, I wouldn't have responded to it. I'll await a response from the relevant poster now. think that injury really fucked him up big ,fear of crosses maybe fear of jumping in a crowd ,the line is his comfort, was a good shot stopper but now dives in slow motion,hard to figure it out really what happened to him Keepers not coming for crosses is a modern day phenomenon. Hardly any keepers come out and claim them these days. The likes of Friedel and Given made a career of it.....
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:57:32 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 20:57:32 GMT
Nice one. My golf is absolutely shite and if it carries on like this I'll soon be retiring from golf for good. Its fair to say I've got some technical problems Maybe you and Jack should get together and talk about it H Funnily enough, Jack's golf is probably better than his goalkeeping at the moment.
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:58:30 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 20:58:30 GMT
But whoever it was said technical issues hence my question. Listing his weaknesses is easy. Saying he's shot is easy. Had the post I responded to done those things, I wouldn't have responded to it. I'll await a response from the relevant poster now. Technical sounds grand but means whether he is good at a particular subject, I reckon Jack has had technical issues for a couple of seasons now. But what are they?
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Post by liathroid on Aug 13, 2020 20:58:34 GMT
think that injury really fucked him up big ,fear of crosses maybe fear of jumping in a crowd ,the line is his comfort, was a good shot stopper but now dives in slow motion,hard to figure it out really what happened to him Keepers not coming for crosses is a modern day phenomenon. Hardly any keepers come out and claim them these days. The likes of Friedel and Given made a career of it..... thats what keepers get paid for to catch the ball,if you lose that ability your fucked
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 20:59:15 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 20:59:15 GMT
But what are the technical deficiencies that lead to those weaknesses? It was a very specific criticism hence my very specific question. He cant read the game - hence he doesnt know which way to dive on a penalty or when to come for a cross or when to come out of goal to sweep up. He is great at instinctive saves but sometimes cant dive wide enough when a long range effort is heading to the corner. These were exacerbated by his injury for sure. But we have watched him for years now and he has serious technical issues. Who is we?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 13, 2020 21:04:42 GMT
Technical sounds grand but means whether he is good at a particular subject, I reckon Jack has had technical issues for a couple of seasons now. But what are they? For the fear of going around in circles. Jack is technically not very good at: Commanding his area Coming for crosses Saving penalties......
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 13, 2020 21:08:03 GMT
But what are the technical deficiencies that lead to those weaknesses? It was a very specific criticism hence my very specific question. He cant read the game - hence he doesnt know which way to dive on a penalty or when to come for a cross or when to come out of goal to sweep up. He is great at instinctive saves but sometimes cant dive wide enough when a long range effort is heading to the corner. These were exacerbated by his injury for sure. But we have watched him for years now and he has serious technical issues. Not being rude. What expertise do you have to enable you to state that JB has “serious technical issues”
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 21:10:40 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 13, 2020 21:10:40 GMT
Still relatively Young (for a goalkeeper) and English (which helps with quotas) someone might be tempted for 5 o 6m as a back up keeper but you're looking at someone in the top half. Maybe someone like Leicester might fancy it as they'll have a busy schedule.
Unfortunately given his agents comments it's not going to be a comfortable situation around the team - even though it's his agent saying it.
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 21:11:43 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 21:11:43 GMT
For the fear of going around in circles. Jack is technically not very good at: Commanding his area Coming for crosses Saving penalties...... They are the end result not the root cause. I quote yoydelilah..."he has serious technical problems that he's unlikely to rectify". I asked what those technical problems are and you keep going round in circles. Had he simply said he's crap at coming for crosses, commanding his area and saving penalties I wouldn't have responded nor would I have asked the question I did.
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Post by liathroid on Aug 13, 2020 21:11:57 GMT
see how easy it is without a crowded area forget penos
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 13, 2020 21:12:15 GMT
He cant read the game - hence he doesnt know which way to dive on a penalty or when to come for a cross or when to come out of goal to sweep up. He is great at instinctive saves but sometimes cant dive wide enough when a long range effort is heading to the corner. These were exacerbated by his injury for sure. But we have watched him for years now and he has serious technical issues. Not being rude. What expertise do you have to enable you to state that JB has “serious technical issues” What expertise do you have to suggest that he doesn't?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 21:15:40 GMT
Keepers not coming for crosses is a modern day phenomenon. Hardly any keepers come out and claim them these days. The likes of Friedel and Given made a career of it..... thats what keepers get paid for to catch the ball,if you lose that ability your fucked I don't think he has lost that ability. He's never been a Peter Schmeichel type keeper who comes for everything, but as I said very few keepers are these days......
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 13, 2020 21:18:21 GMT
For the fear of going around in circles. Jack is technically not very good at: Commanding his area Coming for crosses Saving penalties...... They are the end result not the root cause. I quote yoydelilah..."he has serious technical problems that he's unlikely to rectify". I asked what those technical problems are and you keep going round in circles. Had he simply said he's crap at coming for crosses, commanding his area and saving penalties I wouldn't have responded nor would I have asked the question I did. His technique for coming for crosses, commanding his area and saving penalties is not very good, will that do ?
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Butland
Aug 13, 2020 21:21:54 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 13, 2020 21:21:54 GMT
I would be, you are right. Been playing quite a bit recently. Shooting mid to low 80's gross which I'm happy with. New p790's are helping. H Nice one. My golf is absolutely shite and if it carries on like this I'll soon be retiring from golf for good. Its fair to say I've got some technical problems I’ve got loads of technical problems with my golf. Sometimes I think my ball is a boomerang with my driving. Any tips would be great full 😀
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Post by RAF on Aug 13, 2020 21:26:23 GMT
Maybe you and Jack should get together and talk about it ;) H Funnily enough, Jack's golf is probably better than his goalkeeping at the moment. Haha. Hope you are well mate? H
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Post by datguy on Aug 13, 2020 21:28:11 GMT
He cant read the game - hence he doesnt know which way to dive on a penalty or when to come for a cross or when to come out of goal to sweep up. He is great at instinctive saves but sometimes cant dive wide enough when a long range effort is heading to the corner. These were exacerbated by his injury for sure. But we have watched him for years now and he has serious technical issues. Not being rude. What expertise do you have to enable you to state that JB has “serious technical issues” So you're saying he doesn't?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 13, 2020 21:30:20 GMT
They are the end result not the root cause. I quote yoydelilah..."he has serious technical problems that he's unlikely to rectify". I asked what those technical problems are and you keep going round in circles. Had he simply said he's crap at coming for crosses, commanding his area and saving penalties I wouldn't have responded nor would I have asked the question I did. His technique for coming for crosses, commanding his area and saving penalties is not very good, will that do ? No it won't. I'll await reply from the poster I asked the question of. I was hoping it was spark interesting and informative discussion. My view is that it isn't technical. Its mental. There is however, a small but noticeable difference in his foot movement from his pomp in england days v now. Whether that is enough to lead to his total loss of form and the subsequent issues we've all seen, is what I'm specifically interested in. I've seen it coz my boy watches youtube clips religiously, old and new ones. Hes not a bad keeper, is being coached on the finer technical aspects associated with the art of goalkeeping and he showed me. I'm interested to see what yoydelilah has seen, wonder if its same as my boy has seen, hence I asked the question.
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Post by datguy on Aug 13, 2020 21:30:32 GMT
For the fear of going around in circles. Jack is technically not very good at: Commanding his area Coming for crosses Saving penalties...... They are the end result not the root cause. I quote yoydelilah..."he has serious technical problems that he's unlikely to rectify". I asked what those technical problems are and you keep going round in circles. Had he simply said he's crap at coming for crosses, commanding his area and saving penalties I wouldn't have responded nor would I have asked the question I did. Andy Quy being sacked and then not having his contract extended at Brentford is very telling.
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