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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 16:09:30 GMT
Batth is a great lad and character but importantly, he's a shit footballer. If he's going, that can only be good news. Same with Gregory. he's shit on the ball however his time here he's had solid defensive spells & then other spells when he's been awful
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 16:10:32 GMT
We'd still be left with 6 for a max of 3 spots, which may become 2, wouldn't we? Assuming Shawcross is going to play a part and Fox is largely going to play centrally while we play this way. And there's always the chance we may want to loan in someone to play on the left of the back 3 if we don't fancy Lindsay or Fox there in the medium/long-term? Collins, Chester, Souttar, Shawcross, Lindsay, Fox Actually seeing that in writing sends shivers down my spine why? Collins & Souttar look really good do they not?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 16:13:25 GMT
Why would we loan Birmingham a player? I know just paper talk but makes no sense to reduce the wage bill Didn't he only join at the start of last year? personally hope we keep him, maybe shift one or two others but easier said than done I guess.
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 16:14:58 GMT
Didn't he only join at the start of last year? personally hope we keep him, maybe shift one or two others but easier said than done I guess. can only shift players other clubs want generally they will either want our best players or the cheaper ones hence Wimmer going no where
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 16:24:11 GMT
Didn't he only join at the start of last year? personally hope we keep him, maybe shift one or two others but easier said than done I guess. can only shift players other clubs want generally they will either want our best players or the cheaper ones hence Wimmer going no where Of course but surprised we would let Batth go although not happened as of yet but as you say if thin on the ground with offers elsewhere
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Post by neddy on Oct 15, 2020 16:27:51 GMT
can only shift players other clubs want generally they will either want our best players or the cheaper ones hence Wimmer going no where Of course but surprised we would let Batth go although not happened as of yet but as you say if thin on the ground with offers elsewhere Wimmer could be immediately restored to the squad? Lol 😂! Is he better than Batth that’s an interesting question?
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 15, 2020 16:28:24 GMT
Think he will be too important to sell at this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 16:37:06 GMT
I don't think I'll be ordering a Wimmer shirt just yet but he might surprise us all and burst back onto the scene with some brick wall style defensive performances.
Lenny Henry might also make me laugh
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 16:40:21 GMT
Of course but surprised we would let Batth go although not happened as of yet but as you say if thin on the ground with offers elsewhere Wimmer could be immediately restored to the squad? Lol 😂! Is he better than Batth that’s an interesting question? No he isn't Better on the ball,yes Much worse at actual defending: positioning, tackling,heading, awareness, actually slower, no bravery. And of course he doesn't want to be here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 16:49:04 GMT
Keeping Chester over Batth is a bit fucked up.
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Post by femark on Oct 15, 2020 18:31:52 GMT
I can see Souttar getting just as many as Batth if played regularly. only scored 4 in his 18 months at Fleetwood, something he needs to work on, should be getting minimum 5 a season from set pieces, as should any centre back I agree, he should be getting at least 5. I suppose a lot of it comes down to quality of set pieces. Thompson is by far our best at delivering set pieces but I can’t see him getting games ahead of Mikel currently.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 15, 2020 19:38:02 GMT
welcome to the process replacing their wages with Collins & Souttar wages got to be a huge difference there re ££££ are we worse off on the pitch? If we had to sell or loan tie Centre backs I’d suggest pitch performances would not point to BMI and DB two mainstays of last years recovery It’s a signal of distress caused by incompetence and a signal going up this year is not on the agenda which to be O’Neil hinted at in his 3’or 4 windrows speech so he’s more aware obviously than anyone .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 20:01:24 GMT
Wimmer could be immediately restored to the squad? Lol 😂! Is he better than Batth that’s an interesting question? No he isn't Better on the ball,yes Much worse at actual defending: positioning, tackling,heading, awareness, actually slower, no bravery. And of course he doesn't want to be here. It would take Wimmer at least six weeks to get into shape - Im not talking about his weight as I haven't seen any images of ¨him for a long time - but he has to get match practice, something he hasn't had for several months.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 15, 2020 20:10:12 GMT
Batth's alright at heading the ball away and blocking things, but he's absolutely rancid on the ball- just hoofs it aimlessly.
He's probably the closest thing we have to a leader at the back though.
Can't say I'd lose any sleep at all if he went. While he's by no means the worst player (or even centre-back) we've got, we do need better. He's a bottom half, bog standard, Championship plodder.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 15, 2020 21:00:19 GMT
Actually seeing that in writing sends shivers down my spine why? Collins & Souttar look really good do they not? Yes especially alongside Bruno imo so who else in a back 3? They need an experienced player with them and I would have thought that Batth would be the best option
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Post by wrighter on Oct 15, 2020 21:20:40 GMT
I don't think I'll be ordering a Wimmer shirt just yet but he might surprise us all and burst back onto the scene with some brick wall style defensive performances. Lenny Henry might also make me laugh in my case Lee bloody Mack
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Post by skip on Oct 15, 2020 21:21:10 GMT
Danny's off for an early Batth.
Ahthankyow.
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 21:33:28 GMT
replacing their wages with Collins & Souttar wages got to be a huge difference there re ££££ are we worse off on the pitch? If we had to sell or loan tie Centre backs I’d suggest pitch performances would not point to BMI and DB two mainstays of last years recovery It’s a signal of distress caused by incompetence and a signal going up this year is not on the agenda which to be O’Neil hinted at in his 3’or 4 windrows speech so he’s more aware obviously than anyone . Going up...no one is suggesting that Big improvement challenging play off spots that's acheivable with the squad Batth was terrible for large parts of last season and then was good to very good after the Leeds fiasco as was Chester Bruno has play well but the money he's on...no brainer With Collins and Souttar we are strong at CB
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 21:34:48 GMT
why? Collins & Souttar look really good do they not? Yes especially alongside Bruno imo so who else in a back 3? They need an experienced player with them and I would have thought that Batth would be the best option Chester or when fit Ryan Or play back four with Smith and Fox. Chester is miles better than painted on here.
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Post by lordb on Oct 15, 2020 21:35:38 GMT
No he isn't Better on the ball,yes Much worse at actual defending: positioning, tackling,heading, awareness, actually slower, no bravery. And of course he doesn't want to be here. It would take Wimmer at least six weeks to get into shape - Im not talking about his weight as I haven't seen any images of ¨him for a long time - but he has to get match practice, something he hasn't had for several months. Genuinely think he's finished
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Post by stokeykez on Oct 15, 2020 21:39:04 GMT
Need to shift lindsey and wimmer before baath
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 22:01:13 GMT
Batth's alright at heading the ball away and blocking things, but he's absolutely rancid on the ball- just hoofs it aimlessly. He's probably the closest thing we have to a leader at the back though. Can't say I'd lose any sleep at all if he went. While he's by no means the worst player (or even centre-back) we've got, we do need better. He's a bottom half, bog standard, Championship plodder. He is and I can’t abide him tbh. But he’s better than Chester and Lindsay. It’s short sighted unless we can rely on Shawcross.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 22:02:30 GMT
Yes especially alongside Bruno imo so who else in a back 3? They need an experienced player with them and I would have thought that Batth would be the best option Chester or when fit Ryan Or play back four with Smith and Fox. Chester is miles better than painted on here. In what way is he? He’s been diabolical for us. A centre half that meant the manager felt the need to play a tall bloke at full back. Chester has been pathetic for us.
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Post by Sfance on Oct 15, 2020 22:09:01 GMT
Yes, Bayern, they’re all “diabolical” - so “diabolical” that we keep on getting these clean sheets. How I wish that they would stop being diabolical and let the opposition score a few.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2020 22:15:32 GMT
Yes, Bayern, they’re all “diabolical” - so “diabolical” that we keep on getting these clean sheets. How I wish that they would stop being diabolical and let the opposition score a few. We should get clean sheet with how defensive we are. And that’s such a basic argument. The bloke can’t jump and has been at fault for so many goals individually. 2 alone this season in a season characterised by defensive negative football. He’s slow, a bit thick, gets caught out of position and is about the worst centre half in the air that I can remember us having.
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 16, 2020 0:29:17 GMT
Yes, Bayern, they’re all “diabolical” - so “diabolical” that we keep on getting these clean sheets. How I wish that they would stop being diabolical and let the opposition score a few. We should get clean sheet with how defensive we are. And that’s such a basic argument. The bloke can’t jump and has been at fault for so many goals individually. 2 alone this season in a season characterised by defensive negative football. He’s slow, a bit thick, gets caught out of position and is about the worst centre half in the air that I can remember us having. Fuck sake log off you monotonous twat. You suck the life out off this message board. Didn't you pretend to have a girlfriend at one stage ? What happened to her ?
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 16, 2020 0:37:26 GMT
Yes, Bayern, they’re all “diabolical” - so “diabolical” that we keep on getting these clean sheets. How I wish that they would stop being diabolical and let the opposition score a few. We should get clean sheet with how defensive we are. And that’s such a basic argument. The bloke can’t jump and has been at fault for so many goals individually. 2 alone this season in a season characterised by defensive negative football. He’s slow, a bit thick, gets caught out of position and is about the worst centre half in the air that I can remember us having. He' a multi millionaire. You spend 2/3 off your life on an intenet message board. Who's the thicko ?
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Post by s7oke on Oct 16, 2020 3:41:28 GMT
We should get clean sheet with how defensive we are. And that’s such a basic argument. The bloke can’t jump and has been at fault for so many goals individually. 2 alone this season in a season characterised by defensive negative football. He’s slow, a bit thick, gets caught out of position and is about the worst centre half in the air that I can remember us having. Fuck sake log off you monotonous twat. You suck the life out off this message board. Didn't you pretend to have a girlfriend at one stage ? What happened to her ? Bit harsh that as it is only a statement of the obvious that Bayern is making. Chester is at fault a lot Does get caught out of position a lot Can’t jump very high And is almost certainly on more money than Batth and is older I think Also we do play negative football in the league so one mistake is generally going to be very costly
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Post by miltonstokienew on Oct 16, 2020 5:00:43 GMT
Fuck sake log off you monotonous twat. You suck the life out off this message board. Didn't you pretend to have a girlfriend at one stage ? What happened to her ? Bit harsh that as it is only a statement of the obvious that Bayern is making. Chester is at fault a lot Does get caught out of position a lot Can’t jump very high And is almost certainly on more money than Batth and is older I think Also we do play negative football in the league so one mistake is generally going to be very costly It wasn't based on one statement. Its based on every thread i ever see. Thanks for your input though
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 16:04:01 GMT
It would take Wimmer at least six weeks to get into shape - Im not talking about his weight as I haven't seen any images of ¨him for a long time - but he has to get match practice, something he hasn't had for several months. Genuinely think he's finished Perhaps you didn't read the context. He's unsellable but remains on our books for a sizable amount of time. So as somebody asked what to do about him and somebody else asked would we use him if we needed to.
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