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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 18, 2020 17:03:12 GMT
No, he isn't! I haven’t seen a defender as bad on the ball as Batth since the days of Justin Whittle! Is Indi good on the ball?🤔
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 18, 2020 17:04:04 GMT
best defender on the pitch today sad that it isnt more regular and lets hope MON turns this squad around
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Post by jeycov on Jul 18, 2020 17:09:36 GMT
best defender on the pitch today sad that it isnt more regular and lets hope MON turns this squad around Thrives in the roll of marshalling the defence, in turn this enables him to predict the action One of our Centre backs need experience at this level Towards the end he was shouting instructions for everyone to keep focussed A possible captain imo
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 18, 2020 17:12:30 GMT
I haven’t seen a defender as bad on the ball as Batth since the days of Justin Whittle! He is absolutely not the best on the ball, but Ryan isn't much better I'm afraid! They’re not remotely comparable imo but there you go
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 18, 2020 17:13:04 GMT
Could Souttar partner Baath next season perhaps? Souttar will be a disaster in this league he is at his level in L1.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 18, 2020 17:17:05 GMT
I've always liked Batth since he came in, we just need another good (preferably young) solid centre half to partner him!!!
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Post by Billy the kid on Jul 18, 2020 19:02:44 GMT
best defender on the pitch today sad that it isnt more regular and lets hope MON turns this squad around Thrives in the roll of marshalling the defence, in turn this enables him to predict the action One of our Centre backs need experience at this level Towards the end he was shouting instructions for everyone to keep focussed A possible captain imo I won’t disagree with that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 11:30:26 GMT
Nominated for Championship player of the month for July
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2020 11:35:28 GMT
Nominated for Championship player of the month for July According to Bayern he was shite!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 11:36:45 GMT
Nominated for Championship player of the month for July According to Bayern he was shite! He is.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2020 12:31:15 GMT
According to Bayern he was shite! He is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 12:47:59 GMT
best defender on the pitch today sad that it isnt more regular and lets hope MON turns this squad around Thrives in the roll of marshalling the defence, in turn this enables him to predict the action One of our Centre backs need experience at this level Towards the end he was shouting instructions for everyone to keep focussed A possible captain imo Not a possible captain, but one who was deposed by Jones, after initially installing him as such right after he was signed (and Shawcross was unavailable). Then at the start of the season Jones declared the team was full of captains. Initially that sounded as one of Jones' daft decisions, but considering we ended up using seven different captains over the course of the season, he might have been right. Call it what you like, it was a dressing down of Batth, and one he did not take kindly to and thus not a possible future captain - unless he reconsiders.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 30, 2020 12:53:29 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 30, 2020 13:00:26 GMT
Nominated for Championship player of the month for July And well deserved. Strikes me as one of those between leagues players - very good at Championship level but not quite good enough for the Premier League. I'm sure he's going to be a mainstay in defence next season - hopefully with Davies and a couple of new fullbacks. I'd love to see Collins come through but if BMI stays I think it will be him and Batth in a 433 and Batth, BMI and Collins when we go 532.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 13:03:46 GMT
Nominated for Championship player of the month for July And well deserved. Strikes me as one of those between leagues players - very good at Championship level but not quite good enough for the Premier League. I'm sure he's going to be a mainstay in defence next season - hopefully with Davies and a couple of new fullbacks. I'd love to see Collins come through but if BMI stays I think it will be him and Batth in a 433 and Batth, BMI and Collins when we go 532. Very good at this level? Since when?
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 30, 2020 13:14:03 GMT
And well deserved. Strikes me as one of those between leagues players - very good at Championship level but not quite good enough for the Premier League. I'm sure he's going to be a mainstay in defence next season - hopefully with Davies and a couple of new fullbacks. I'd love to see Collins come through but if BMI stays I think it will be him and Batth in a 433 and Batth, BMI and Collins when we go 532. Very good at this level? Since when? Not 100% sure where the venom comes from for DB on your part B., but if you accept that we are not (yet anyway) going to sign the likes of Laporte & VVD etc. at CB, he'll do rightly in the squad and playing like he has been recently for next season.
Right now, he's probably up right there as one of the least of our worries and transfer concerns.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 30, 2020 13:14:52 GMT
He played well in July- let’s forget about conceding 68 goals In a season in which he’s played more minutes than any other defender though- hardly the mark of having a commanding centre half; roasted by Wigan didn’t turn up at Leeds, scared of the bouncing ball at Preston, but as I say, fair do’s for his performances in July. We’ll revisit his supposed brilliance 10 games into the new season by which time he will either have shown what a good defender he is, or we will be moaning about “ no leaders” and the number of goals conceded. I hope he turns out to be as good as people think.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 13:20:06 GMT
Very good at this level? Since when? Not 100% sure where the venom comes from for DB on your part B., but if you accept that we are not (yet anyway) going to sign the likes of Laporte & VVD etc. at CB, he'll do rightly in the squad and playing like he has been recently for next season.
Right now, he's probably up right there as one of the least of our worries and transfer concerns.Who's asking for Laporte or VVD? I'd prefer Collins and Liam Lindsay He's average at the absolute best and his record shows that. That's a given. At the very worst he's targetted and a liability. Under MON we have attacked well generally but the defence has still been appalling and he's at the heart of that. He's a slow, cumbersome, clumsy defender who imo is awful under a long ball and his football ability is targetted. He's ok as back up but we need miles better. We have better already.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 30, 2020 13:26:51 GMT
Not 100% sure where the venom comes from for DB on your part B., but if you accept that we are not (yet anyway) going to sign the likes of Laporte & VVD etc. at CB, he'll do rightly in the squad and playing like he has been recently for next season.
Right now, he's probably up right there as one of the least of our worries and transfer concerns. Who's asking for Laporte or VVD? I'd prefer Collins and Liam Lindsay He's average at the absolute best and his record shows that. That's a given. At the very worst he's targetted and a liability. Under MON we have attacked well generally but the defence has still been appalling and he's at the heart of that. He's a slow, cumbersome, clumsy defender who imo is awful under a long ball and his football ability is targetted. He's ok as back up but we need miles better. We have better already. Lindsay? OK then.
And while Baath has upped his game recently, Collins has arguably blotted his 'great potential' copybook somewhat of late, so it's swings and roundabouts.
Agree we need to sort & settle the defence though - and pronto so we can build on that.
I think the point of the thread though was that DB deserves the plaudits for his recent form - not that he's top of the transfer / get rid list which I agree with tbh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 13:35:54 GMT
Who's asking for Laporte or VVD? I'd prefer Collins and Liam Lindsay He's average at the absolute best and his record shows that. That's a given. At the very worst he's targetted and a liability. Under MON we have attacked well generally but the defence has still been appalling and he's at the heart of that. He's a slow, cumbersome, clumsy defender who imo is awful under a long ball and his football ability is targetted. He's ok as back up but we need miles better. We have better already. Lindsay? OK then.
And while Baath has upped his game recently, Collins has arguably blotted his 'great potential' copybook somewhat of late, so it's swings and roundabouts.
Agree we need to sort & settle the defence though - and pronto so we can build on that.
I think the point of the thread though was that DB deserves the plaudits for his recent form - not that he's top of the transfer / get rid list which I agree with tbh. Lindsay is shite agreed but I'd still have him in there tbh. I don't see how he has tbh. He was no worse than anyone against Leeds and then what else is there? He was subbed in that game as the scapegoat and we got markedly worse. All 5 of the back lot need replacing ideally and I honestly think there will be 3 different faces in for the first game out of the 5. He was awful against Bristol City though and against Forest we should have been 2 down before we scored because of awful defending from the whole back line and midfield. I think it's nonsense!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 13:36:59 GMT
Batth has been excellent in the run in. Well deserved award.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 30, 2020 14:37:16 GMT
And well deserved. Strikes me as one of those between leagues players - very good at Championship level but not quite good enough for the Premier League. I'm sure he's going to be a mainstay in defence next season - hopefully with Davies and a couple of new fullbacks. I'd love to see Collins come through but if BMI stays I think it will be him and Batth in a 433 and Batth, BMI and Collins when we go 532. Very good at this level? Since when? He has never been the appalling defender you make out and recently he's been excellent. He's not the best with the ball at his feet but at least he's got the good sense to know that and doesn't fanny around. Decent, old school, no messing centre back and deserves his place in the team. Your track record is to form an opinion on a player and never change you mind regardless of the evidence. You've decided Batth is crap and as far as you're concerned that's the end of the matter. Thing is it isn't - anyone looking at Batth's performances since lockdown can see he's played well - and his inclusion in the July Championship team of July well deserved. You don't rate because you don't want to.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 14:45:33 GMT
Very good at this level? Since when? He has never been the appalling defender you make out and recently he's been excellent. He's not the best with the ball at his feet but at least he's got the good sense to know that and doesn't fanny around. Decent, old school, no messing centre back and deserves his place in the team. Your track record is to form an opinion on a player and never change you mind regardless of the evidence. You've decided Batth is crap and as far as you're concerned that's the end of the matter. Thing is it isn't - anyone looking at Batth's performances since lockdown can see he's played well - and his inclusion in the July Championship team of July well deserved. You don't rate because you don't want to. He has. I could accept average but very good? Nah. He's been part of a side that conceded 68 goals in a season. My opinion is backed up by. It's also like the first 4 of 5 games in lockdown where we were shambolic (Reading, Wigan, Boro and Leeds) have been forgotten! His inclusion is because he scored 3 goals. Not because of his defending.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 30, 2020 14:55:01 GMT
Very good at this level? Since when? He has never been the appalling defender you make out and recently he's been excellent. He's not the best with the ball at his feet but at least he's got the good sense to know that and doesn't fanny around. Decent, old school, no messing centre back and deserves his place in the team. Your track record is to form an opinion on a player and never change you mind regardless of the evidence. You've decided Batth is crap and as far as you're concerned that's the end of the matter. Thing is it isn't - anyone looking at Batth's performances since lockdown can see he's played well - and his inclusion in the July Championship team of July well deserved. You don't rate because you don't want to. Or, people have different opinions. I think Batth is largely crap as well. I could cope with back-up but I'd be monumentally depressed if he was in the frame as a half of our starting CB partnership next year. The player of the month thing is obviously because of the goals.
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Post by stokiejohn60 on Jul 30, 2020 15:12:18 GMT
His goals & performances more than helped us to stay up...If MON gets a few quality players in & decides DB is good enough (which I do at this level ) then surely his big critics on here will agree ? 🤔
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 15:18:07 GMT
His goals & performances more than helped us to stay up...If MON gets a few quality players in & decides DB is good enough (which I do at this level ) then surely his big critics on here will agree ? 🤔 He should be back up at most.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 30, 2020 15:24:54 GMT
So what are we supposed to do Bayern, just forget about the relegation-saving goals? The man was immense in July. You need to focus a little more on the “what have you done for me lately” approach and be a bit more forgiving about past sins. No-one saying he’s a Dennis Smith - but there’s certainly an argument that he’s the reason we stayed up at the death.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 30, 2020 15:28:18 GMT
You’re like those who were ragging on Campbell when he was first getting into the team, complaining that he was only good for 60 minutes and totally ignoring that he was scoring goals in those 60 minutes. Time to revisit reality, my friend.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 30, 2020 18:24:43 GMT
He's not good enough for a top end team, he's too slow on the turn and bad positionally.
The only centre back we have who I would play is Collins, we need to sign a good centre back.
Let's not forget, all season we pissed away goals into our own net. Batth was diabolical most of the season, and he's also too limited when coming out with the ball, our play breaks down when he gets the ball and we get put back under pressure.
Just not good enough for what we want to do next season
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Post by stokefc on Jul 30, 2020 18:40:11 GMT
Maybe MON has had a word in his ear , you know , like a good manager does Maybe he's told him his weaknesses and where to improve Maybe Danny's taken it all in like a true pro and put that extra effort in and upped his game Or maybe he's just shit
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