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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 18:43:57 GMT
So what are we supposed to do Bayern, just forget about the relegation-saving goals? The man was immense in July. You need to focus a little more on the “what have you done for me lately” approach and be a bit more forgiving about past sins. No-one saying he’s a Dennis Smith - but there’s certainly an argument that he’s the reason we stayed up at the death. The goals mean naff all looking forward. Totally irrelevant for next season and the level we need to be.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 30, 2020 18:50:18 GMT
So what are we supposed to do Bayern, just forget about the relegation-saving goals? The man was immense in July. You need to focus a little more on the “what have you done for me lately” approach and be a bit more forgiving about past sins. No-one saying he’s a Dennis Smith - but there’s certainly an argument that he’s the reason we stayed up at the death. The goals mean naff all looking forward. Totally irrelevant for next season and the level we need to be. I share Bayern’s concerns about Batth. I can’t knock his effort and application but there are some basic skills missing which have caused me to scream in frustration. I’m certain he’ll be nailed on to start the season but it doesn’t mean I’m happy about it.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 30, 2020 18:56:12 GMT
He's better in the opposition box than his own. To me he has games where he looks lost, his clearances invite more pressure and I just think to myself what the fuck is he doing. Then the flip side where he has an half solid game and is a bit of a beast when sent up for corners and set pieces.
He's worth persevering with, a different goalie seemed to have helped him a bit and a new left back and better DM might build up more confidence in him. I am just hoping that it's because he is covering other players is the reason why he's so shit at times. There might be more to come from him next season and there will have to be or he will soon be gone.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 30, 2020 19:10:09 GMT
So what are we supposed to do Bayern, just forget about the relegation-saving goals? The man was immense in July. You need to focus a little more on the “what have you done for me lately” approach and be a bit more forgiving about past sins. No-one saying he’s a Dennis Smith - but there’s certainly an argument that he’s the reason we stayed up at the death. The goals mean naff all looking forward. Totally irrelevant for next season and the level we need to be. Good, Bayern, very good! And here’s me thinking that having someone on the team who scores goals was a good thing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 19:14:09 GMT
The goals mean naff all looking forward. Totally irrelevant for next season and the level we need to be. Good, Bayern, very good! And here’s me thinking that having someone on the team who scores goals was a good thing. He can't do the primary role of his job and that's all that matters.
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Post by Sfance on Jul 30, 2020 19:17:30 GMT
Cheers - I’ll have to remember that ... certain players should not score goals for us QED.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2020 19:31:11 GMT
Cheers - I’ll have to remember that ... certain players should not score goals for us QED. No one is saying that. Bar you
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Post by Sfance on Jul 30, 2020 19:33:58 GMT
The prosecution rests, M’Lud.
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Post by azzascfc on Jul 30, 2020 20:08:37 GMT
Not good enough end of
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 30, 2020 20:17:32 GMT
Let’s not fool ourselves. He’s had a good month, but boy was it overdue.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2020 20:58:21 GMT
Batth is more than good enough for a top team in this league, he just needs a solid partner. Those who can't see Batth is a good defender need an eye check in my opinion! Bayern, where have you lost your glasses!
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 30, 2020 21:10:21 GMT
Good, Bayern, very good! And here’s me thinking that having someone on the team who scores goals was a good thing. He can't do the primary role of his job and that's all that matters. He will hopefully improve defensively now Butland isn’t behind him floundering around.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jul 30, 2020 21:27:23 GMT
Batth is more than good enough for a top team in this league, he just needs a solid partner. Those who can't see Batth is a good defender need an eye check in my opinion! Bayern, where have you lost your glasses! How come we conceded so many goals then mate? He is probably along with Butland got the most appearances in a backline which is 6th worst in the league.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 30, 2020 22:48:19 GMT
He's fine when he's got someone decent next to him
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 31, 2020 5:29:10 GMT
Cheers - I’ll have to remember that ... certain players should not score goals for us QED. Usally the strikers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 6:46:46 GMT
Batth is more than good enough for a top team in this league, he just needs a solid partner. Those who can't see Batth is a good defender need an eye check in my opinion! Bayern, where have you lost your glasses! How come we conceded so many goals then mate? He is probably along with Butland got the most appearances in a backline which is 6th worst in the league. Nathan Ake is just about to secure a £40m move to Man City on the back of a career conceding two goals a game. One player can do so much you defend as a team. Batth has obvious limitations particular around his distribution which is awful, but if the balance of the team is right that’s not the end of the world......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 7:11:53 GMT
He has never been the appalling defender you make out and recently he's been excellent. He's not the best with the ball at his feet but at least he's got the good sense to know that and doesn't fanny around. Decent, old school, no messing centre back and deserves his place in the team. Your track record is to form an opinion on a player and never change you mind regardless of the evidence. You've decided Batth is crap and as far as you're concerned that's the end of the matter. Thing is it isn't - anyone looking at Batth's performances since lockdown can see he's played well - and his inclusion in the July Championship team of July well deserved. You don't rate because you don't want to. Or, people have different opinions. I think Batth is largely crap as well. I could cope with back-up but I'd be monumentally depressed if he was in the frame as a half of our starting CB partnership next year. The player of the month thing is obviously because of the goals. Goals and the three clean sheets to be precise.....
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 31, 2020 7:14:21 GMT
Batth is more than good enough for a top team in this league, he just needs a solid partner. Those who can't see Batth is a good defender need an eye check in my opinion! Bayern, where have you lost your glasses! How come we conceded so many goals then mate? He is probably along with Butland got the most appearances in a backline which is 6th worst in the league. You mention Butland who has done numerous mistakes the defenders can't be blamed for, and in addition it took some time before we got a settled defence, but after that we have only had some occasional games whwere we have let in many goals. I can only remember Derby, Wigan and Leeds as examples of where it has gone really bad defensively after MON's arrival. In the Wigan game I will point out that Butland really should have saved two of the three goals scored in that game as well! Batth has in general been very sound in my opinion, but if you play in a defence where you have to cover for the others' mistakes all the time it is very difficult to play well. A settled defence is so important if you are going to succeed! It also helps if the goalkeeper is doing his job, and we have looked much better after Davies was installed as our NO 1!
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Post by Linx on Jul 31, 2020 7:20:58 GMT
Batth is more than good enough for a top team in this league, he just needs a solid partner. Those who can't see Batth is a good defender need an eye check in my opinion! Bayern, where have you lost your glasses! Agreed. The new reality is that Stoke are a mid table championship side. Okay, we all hope that we are only one good season away from getting back to ‘where we belong’. Where are the defenders better than Batth who would play at the level we are at? As a typical example of the type of quality we might attract, James Chester dropped a level because he couldn’t get a regular place in a recently promoted, struggling EPL side but has that worked? Good centre halves at good EPL clubs are not necessarily going to come to us unless we strike lucky and get another Ryan on loan, who would be young and inexperienced and perhaps not be able to make an immediate impact. MON doesn’t look like the type of manager who goes shopping abroad; British and Irish players are his meat and drink (a la Pulis) so we can’t expect newly discovered gems and ‘surprise packages’ from the European leagues turning up and re-shaping Stoke, like what happened at Wolves. The ‘good solid Championship’ level player, the type we recruited in spades under Rowett and Jones, has not really worked for us in terms of a dramatic turnaround, so the answer isn’t really there, either. Batth is a decent enough block in the rebuilding strategy, who is flourishing under MON.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Jul 31, 2020 7:49:01 GMT
Batth did so much better with a different keeper behind him, is he the defender to solve all our defensive problems, no, but there are other positions to sort before we throw him out with the bathwater ..
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 31, 2020 11:27:25 GMT
Danny Batth isn't the problem:
1 Butland has been a liability all season and makes the defence nervous
2 We haven't had a proper left back all season
3 We've chopped and changed the back four all season - and although not his fault Shawcross's re-introductions and breakdowns hasn't helped.
With Davies in goal Danny Batth will be decent in a regular back four. I'd like to see us keep BMI who was forming a decent partnership with Batth before he was by necessity shoved into the left back role. We need a 2 left backs and a right back - and as a Brucie bonus Collins to come through and Shawcross to regain full fitness (but I'm not holding my breath on that one).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2020 11:41:39 GMT
Danny Batth has been a problem. BMI is an awful CB in the Championship too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:01:41 GMT
Danny Batth has been a problem. BMI is an awful CB in the Championship too. It's comparative Bayern, sure I don't think he's incredible but of all the players we desperately need to shift Batth is nowhere near the top of the list.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2020 12:17:53 GMT
Danny Batth has been a problem. BMI is an awful CB in the Championship too. It's comparative Bayern, sure I don't think he's incredible but of all the players we desperately need to shift Batth is nowhere near the top of the list. He's just not good enough though. Constantly targetted on the ball too which just puts us on the back foot. We can score goals under MON but we can't defend and that whole GK, RB, CB, CB, LB, DM area is an issue for me.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 31, 2020 12:35:04 GMT
Is there any chance we could get Huth back? He would still be better than what we have even if he is possibly retired.
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Post by thicknthin on Jul 31, 2020 12:56:00 GMT
Danny Batth is pretty good when you are up against it or a back foot team, set up to defend deep.
Bayern touched on it above though, he is terrible in a front foot team looking to attack and move forwards, most attacks break down once he has the ball.
He’s ok Danny, but it really does depend on how you set up.
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Post by melonhead on Aug 1, 2020 10:41:59 GMT
Batth is more than good enough for a top team in this league, he just needs a solid partner. Those who can't see Batth is a good defender need an eye check in my opinion! Bayern, where have you lost your glasses! And a goalie behind him who he can rely on and give him confidence. Davies not Butland.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 1, 2020 11:29:06 GMT
Has his limitations but we've had far worse
Plenty I'd be looking to ship out before him
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 1, 2020 11:32:04 GMT
Not 100% sure where the venom comes from for DB on your part B., but if you accept that we are not (yet anyway) going to sign the likes of Laporte & VVD etc. at CB, he'll do rightly in the squad and playing like he has been recently for next season.
Right now, he's probably up right there as one of the least of our worries and transfer concerns. Who's asking for Laporte or VVD? I'd prefer Collins and Liam Lindsay He's average at the absolute best and his record shows that. That's a given. At the very worst he's targetted and a liability. Under MON we have attacked well generally but the defence has still been appalling and he's at the heart of that. He's a slow, cumbersome, clumsy defender who imo is awful under a long ball and his football ability is targetted. He's ok as back up but we need miles better. We have better already. Lindsey haha ur having a laugh
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Post by liathroid on Sept 12, 2020 11:31:38 GMT
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