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Post by greystokie on Jul 16, 2020 12:10:09 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. That's rather hard. It's the winger's job to get the ball into the box where it can be attacked by his colleagues in the box. It's the job of the players in the box to move into a position where they can direct the ball into the net. It seems to me that both McLean and Batth did their jobs successfully in creating that goal.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 16, 2020 12:13:41 GMT
What is a Proddy Dog ? sounds like a discriminatory term to me ! as a protestant I also find it highly offensive not the sort of term you would expect from someone in an education role. It's complicit irony, written in a fictional third person, mirroring the abuse he receives for being a politically minded Irish Catholic. If all the people who hurl abuse at him for having the temerity to think for himself over the poppy on football shirts afforded him the same grace we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's a discriminatory statement and I find it offensive as a Protestant, I am having no discussion with a bigot like yourself.
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Post by skip on Jul 16, 2020 12:16:18 GMT
It's complicit irony, written in a fictional third person, mirroring the abuse he receives for being a politically minded Irish Catholic. If all the people who hurl abuse at him for having the temerity to think for himself over the poppy on football shirts afforded him the same grace we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's a discriminatory statement and I find it offensive as a Protestant, I am having no discussion with a bigot like yourself. Have a word with yourself. I articulated how I wasn't the voice of the phraseology. Maybe if I had have italicised it, it would have been more clear. Pity you weren't more offended about the merciless piss taking I took on behalf of my black students the other week. At least someone else on that thread had the grace to apologise.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 16, 2020 12:17:23 GMT
I've probably seen a dozen better left wingers at Stoke than McClean is, but none of them have tried more. So, until we find a better left winger than he is who tries just as hard as he does, then he stays for me.
I'm not getting into the politics. It's been done to death and serves no purpose.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 16, 2020 12:46:25 GMT
It's complicit irony, written in a fictional third person, mirroring the abuse he receives for being a politically minded Irish Catholic. If all the people who hurl abuse at him for having the temerity to think for himself over the poppy on football shirts afforded him the same grace we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's a discriminatory statement and I find it offensive as a Protestant, I am having no discussion with a bigot like yourself. Are you one those super far left types that are offended by everything, snowflake alert,,
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Post by skip on Jul 16, 2020 13:15:25 GMT
It's a discriminatory statement and I find it offensive as a Protestant, I am having no discussion with a bigot like yourself. Are you one those super far left types that are offended by everything, snowflake alert,, ha ha. Ey yeah man, absolutely stiffed into tears and fall crashing to the floor in the foetal position by everything I see and experience.
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Post by sd22 on Jul 16, 2020 13:25:17 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. That's rather hard. It's the winger's job to get the ball into the box where it can be attacked by his colleagues in the box. It's the job of the players in the box to move into a position where they can direct the ball into the net. It seems to me that both McLean and Batth did their jobs successfully in creating that goal. As someone who plays on the wing(when I can and at a very low level) throughout any age group I’ve never ever been taught to ‘put it on the strikers head’ I’ve always been taught to get the ball in at a decent height (I.e if my striker is 6’1” anywhere between the floor and about 6’6 is fine) any where between the penalty spot and the goal mouth, dependent on the situation. If the strikers don’t score, or even touch the ball, it’s not my problem. If I hit it over or don’t beat the first man then it is. McClean does what I’ve described around 50% of the time, is the strikers aren’t in the ‘sweet spot’ it’s their problem. Many of times I’ve seen McClean hit it at a lively height on the six yard line, and whatever striker is playing that day is trotting into the 18 yard box still instead of being in and around the penalty spot ready to attack the cross
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 13:28:42 GMT
That's rather hard. It's the winger's job to get the ball into the box where it can be attacked by his colleagues in the box. It's the job of the players in the box to move into a position where they can direct the ball into the net. It seems to me that both McLean and Batth did their jobs successfully in creating that goal. As someone who plays on the wing(when I can and at a very low level) throughout any age group I’ve never ever been taught to ‘put it on the strikers head’ I’ve always been taught to get the ball in at a decent height (I.e if my striker is 6’1” anywhere between the floor and about 6’6 is fine) any where between the penalty spot and the goal mouth, dependent on the situation. If the strikers don’t score, or even touch the ball, it’s not my problem. If I hit it over or don’t beat the first man then it is. McClean does what I’ve described around 50% of the time, is the strikers aren’t in the ‘sweet spot’ it’s their problem. Many of times I’ve seen McClean hit it at a lively height on the six yard line, and whatever striker is playing that day is trotting into the 18 yard box still instead of being in and around the penalty spot ready to attack the cross Most of his crosses are over hit. And surely if no one is there and he keeps crossing, he’s a bit thick?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 13:32:54 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. The other day we had Ince criticised for his goal-scoring shot, now JM is crap because his cross which resulted in a goal wasn’t good enough. It’s okay to just accept that players you don’t like do good things sometimes you know. I accept that Batth, who's often let us down defensively, scored a great goal.
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Post by sd22 on Jul 16, 2020 13:33:38 GMT
As someone who plays on the wing(when I can and at a very low level) throughout any age group I’ve never ever been taught to ‘put it on the strikers head’ I’ve always been taught to get the ball in at a decent height (I.e if my striker is 6’1” anywhere between the floor and about 6’6 is fine) any where between the penalty spot and the goal mouth, dependent on the situation. If the strikers don’t score, or even touch the ball, it’s not my problem. If I hit it over or don’t beat the first man then it is. McClean does what I’ve described around 50% of the time, is the strikers aren’t in the ‘sweet spot’ it’s their problem. Many of times I’ve seen McClean hit it at a lively height on the six yard line, and whatever striker is playing that day is trotting into the 18 yard box still instead of being in and around the penalty spot ready to attack the cross Most of his crosses are over hit. And surely if no one is there and he keeps crossing, he’s a bit thick? Like I said the over hitting is his problem. The persons not being there is the strikers problem, as a traditional winger he doesn’t go towards goal often, he gets paid to put balls into the box, the strikers get paid to be in the box, which usually they are monging around the D. Maybe he could delay getting a cross in, but if the defender is upon him, why not get it in whilst you can, and rely on the cbs putting it into their own net, as our lot will be still running through treacle 20 yards out. I never see the issue when Powell under or over hits(which there shouldn’t be an issue as he’s a fantastic player) but one of our standout players in this shitstorm of a season puts a cracking cross in and he gets slagged off for it🤷🏻♂️
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 16, 2020 13:33:39 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. You don’t half talk some rubbish.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 16, 2020 13:35:36 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. You don’t half talk some rubbish. Totally agree and what a pathetic post that is
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 13:36:15 GMT
Most of his crosses are over hit. And surely if no one is there and he keeps crossing, he’s a bit thick? Like I said the over hitting is his problem. The persons not being there is the strikers problem, as a traditional winger he doesn’t go towards goal often, he gets paid to put balls into the box, the strikers get paid to be in the box, which usually they are monging around the D. Maybe he could delay getting a cross in, but if the defender is upon him, why not get it in whilst you can, and rely on the cbs putting it into their own net, as our lot will be still running through treacle 20 yards out. I never see the issue when Powell under or over hits(which there shouldn’t be an issue as he’s a fantastic player) but one of our standout players in this shitstorm of a season buts a cracking cross in and he gets slagged off for it🤷🏻♂️ If he’s constantly crossing to no one then I’d suggest he doesn’t cross. It’s really that simple. Yesterday he tried 3 crosses when he had time to run closer to the goal and get in a better position and that imo is the actual issue. He doesn’t wait for players. He wants to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it and crosses too early too often. McClean has been 4/10 this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 13:36:16 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. You mean Baath doing what any decent centre forward would do on the end of that cross. If he keeps doing what he's been doing the last two games, we might consider converting him.
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Post by stokiedazza on Jul 16, 2020 13:39:46 GMT
In my view we got relegated because the team started to lose players with his attitude. Political view apart I’m chuffed he’s at stoke and nice to have a player who drops his should, gets to the byline and whips in a cross and not one who continually passes backwards
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Post by sd22 on Jul 16, 2020 13:40:32 GMT
Like I said the over hitting is his problem. The persons not being there is the strikers problem, as a traditional winger he doesn’t go towards goal often, he gets paid to put balls into the box, the strikers get paid to be in the box, which usually they are monging around the D. Maybe he could delay getting a cross in, but if the defender is upon him, why not get it in whilst you can, and rely on the cbs putting it into their own net, as our lot will be still running through treacle 20 yards out. I never see the issue when Powell under or over hits(which there shouldn’t be an issue as he’s a fantastic player) but one of our standout players in this shitstorm of a season buts a cracking cross in and he gets slagged off for it🤷🏻♂️ If he’s constantly crossing to no one then I’d suggest he doesn’t cross. It’s really that simple. Yesterday he tried 3 crosses when he had time to run closer to the goal and get in a better position and that imo is the actual issue. He doesn’t wait for players. He wants to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it and crosses too early too often. McClean has been 4/10 this season. I do see your point re crossing early, surely our strikers should be quicker into the box also, issues and lack of understanding from both parties, an issue throughout the team. The same issue was apparent with Adama Traore a few seasons back. Personally I think a 4/10 is absurd and harsh, especially compared with some of the players we have seen this year. However I wouldn’t be inclined to go any higher than a 7. Again, each to their own
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 13:45:50 GMT
If he’s constantly crossing to no one then I’d suggest he doesn’t cross. It’s really that simple. Yesterday he tried 3 crosses when he had time to run closer to the goal and get in a better position and that imo is the actual issue. He doesn’t wait for players. He wants to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it and crosses too early too often. McClean has been 4/10 this season. I do see your point re crossing early, surely our strikers should be quicker into the box also, issues and lack of understanding from both parties, an issue throughout the team. The same issue was apparent with Adama Traore a few seasons back. Personally I think a 4/10 is absurd and harsh, especially compared with some of the players we have seen this year. However I wouldn’t be inclined to go any higher than a 7. Again, each to their own They probably should be yeah but if they're not there then it's better to keep the ball than lose possession. And we do it so often. He did 3 last and Smith did a worse tbh, he had a channel in the 18 yard box to run to the byline and crossed early, it really fucked me off. Maybe it's instructions? But it generally doesn't work and allows way too many easy turnovers. He's had about 4/5 good games and been in a shite side. Clucas is clear POTS for me and I'd give him 6 or 6.5 so I think it's fair from where I'm judging.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 16, 2020 13:47:45 GMT
It's complicit irony, written in a fictional third person, mirroring the abuse he receives for being a politically minded Irish Catholic. If all the people who hurl abuse at him for having the temerity to think for himself over the poppy on football shirts afforded him the same grace we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's a discriminatory statement and I find it offensive as a Protestant, I am having no discussion with a bigot like yourself. Speaking of course as someone who would never dream of offending anyone As for discriminatory statements!!!...I suppose it could be taken as a positive that you recognise that a such a thing exists
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Post by sd22 on Jul 16, 2020 13:54:10 GMT
I do see your point re crossing early, surely our strikers should be quicker into the box also, issues and lack of understanding from both parties, an issue throughout the team. The same issue was apparent with Adama Traore a few seasons back. Personally I think a 4/10 is absurd and harsh, especially compared with some of the players we have seen this year. However I wouldn’t be inclined to go any higher than a 7. Again, each to their own They probably should be yeah but if they're not there then it's better to keep the ball than lose possession. And we do it so often. He did 3 last and Smith did a worse tbh, he had a channel in the 18 yard box to run to the byline and crossed early, it really fucked me off. Maybe it's instructions? But it generally doesn't work and allows way too many easy turnovers. He's had about 4/5 good games and been in a shite side. Clucas is clear POTS for me and I'd give him 6 or 6.5 so I think it's fair from where I'm judging. If that’s your scale then I concur, as I’d give Clucas a 9, my rating are based of the shite that’s been played, rather than what I think a ‘10’ should be! Agree fully re possession retention. Something to look into next year I think, and I think Verlinden with his dualfootedness will be a key part in this(‘god willing’ at the expense of Ince)
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2020 14:33:40 GMT
Like I said the over hitting is his problem. The persons not being there is the strikers problem, as a traditional winger he doesn’t go towards goal often, he gets paid to put balls into the box, the strikers get paid to be in the box, which usually they are monging around the D. Maybe he could delay getting a cross in, but if the defender is upon him, why not get it in whilst you can, and rely on the cbs putting it into their own net, as our lot will be still running through treacle 20 yards out. I never see the issue when Powell under or over hits(which there shouldn’t be an issue as he’s a fantastic player) but one of our standout players in this shitstorm of a season buts a cracking cross in and he gets slagged off for it🤷🏻♂️ If he’s constantly crossing to no one then I’d suggest he doesn’t cross. It’s really that simple. Yesterday he tried 3 crosses when he had time to run closer to the goal and get in a better position and that imo is the actual issue. He doesn’t wait for players. He wants to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it and crosses too early too often. McClean has been 4/10 this season. Bloody hell if McLean has only been 4/10 then what are the rest? Him and Clucas have been streets ahead of all others. And McLean can sleep at night knowing he has put 100% in every time he has been asked to put the shirt on. Even when he has been playing out of position. If we'd had 10 other McLean's we certainly wouldn't be fretting about relegation. I only hope he has taught some of the young lads that hard work pays dividends.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 14:36:38 GMT
If he’s constantly crossing to no one then I’d suggest he doesn’t cross. It’s really that simple. Yesterday he tried 3 crosses when he had time to run closer to the goal and get in a better position and that imo is the actual issue. He doesn’t wait for players. He wants to get rid of the ball as soon as he gets it and crosses too early too often. McClean has been 4/10 this season. Bloody hell if McLean has only been 4/10 then what are the rest? Him and Clucas have been streets ahead of all others. And McLean can sleep at night knowing he has put 100% in every time he has been asked to put the shirt on. Even when he has been playing out of position. If we'd had 10 other McLean's we certainly wouldn't be fretting about relegation. I only hope he has taught some of the young lads that hard work pays dividends. Similar or lower. The only ones I'd go higher are Powell and Campbell on a 5. Not arsed at all about effort tbh. If we had 10 McClean's we'd be awful
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 16, 2020 15:14:21 GMT
Are you one those super far left types that are offended by everything, snowflake alert,, ha ha. Ey yeah man, absolutely stiffed into tears and fall crashing to the floor in the foetal position by everything I see and experience. "yeah man"
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2020 15:18:32 GMT
You mean Baath doing what any decent centre forward would do on the end of that cross. If he keeps doing what he's been doing the last two games, we might consider converting him. Into a footballer? 😅
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 16, 2020 15:19:37 GMT
It's a discriminatory statement and I find it offensive as a Protestant, I am having no discussion with a bigot like yourself. Speaking of course as someone who would never dream of offending anyone As for discriminatory statements!!!...I suppose it could be taken as a positive that you recognise that a such a thing exists I don't pretend to be holier than though, it's the look at me libtard hypocritical left that piss me off, he's complaining about others taking the piss out of his posts inferring that others are discriminatory and he does the same thing but thinks that's perfectly acceptable, another teacher
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Post by skip on Jul 16, 2020 15:19:59 GMT
ha ha. Ey yeah man, absolutely stiffed into tears and fall crashing to the floor in the foetal position by everything I see and experience. "yeah man" Groovy emoji based retort.
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Post by skip on Jul 16, 2020 15:22:43 GMT
Speaking of course as someone who would never dream of offending anyone As for discriminatory statements!!!...I suppose it could be taken as a positive that you recognise that a such a thing exists I don't pretend to be holier than though, it's the look at me libtard hypocritical left that piss me off, he's complaining about others taking the piss out of his posts inferring that others are discriminatory and he does the same thing but thinks that's perfectly acceptable, another teacher a) I wasn't complaining. b) I was using complicit irony.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2020 15:28:31 GMT
Bloody hell if McLean has only been 4/10 then what are the rest? Him and Clucas have been streets ahead of all others. And McLean can sleep at night knowing he has put 100% in every time he has been asked to put the shirt on. Even when he has been playing out of position. If we'd had 10 other McLean's we certainly wouldn't be fretting about relegation. I only hope he has taught some of the young lads that hard work pays dividends. Similar or lower. The only ones I'd go higher are Powell and Campbell on a 5. Not arsed at all about effort tbh. If we had 10 McClean's we'd be awful Think you are being extremely harsh. But to be fair you aren't alone. If yoos ask me though I think McLean has literally been the difference between us staying up and not getting relegated. And for that I am very grateful Its a good job he's been part of this rabble of a squad.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 16, 2020 15:40:33 GMT
"yeah man" Groovy emoji based retort. Yeah man yous getting down with the kids blud is dey your fam man.
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Post by skip on Jul 16, 2020 16:05:11 GMT
Groovy emoji based retort. Yeah man yous getting down with the kids blud is dey your fam man. Amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 17:03:31 GMT
If he keeps doing what he's been doing the last two games, we might consider converting him. Into a footballer? 😅 You said it...
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