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Post by raythesailor on Jul 15, 2020 20:15:47 GMT
Can not be bothered to read all this political crap posted earlier.
This evening he was MOM for me. Give the guy a break for God’s sake.
And I can assure you no one has stronger opinions about N Ireland than I do.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2020 20:16:06 GMT
Yes I agree with that. I'd just give it to Clucas because he has that extra quality in possession. If it was based on being prepared to die on his feet for the team then McLean wins it hands down. personally I would give it to McClean, he never complains about where he plays and I know he aint perfect but he always gives is all. Yeah I'm a bit torn as I do like a player who is prepared to run through brick walls in a Stoke shirt. I just think with the goals from Clucas he's edged it. Then again when we came back from 1-2 down to win 3-2 in that crazy game earlier in the season I turned to my brother after the final whistle and said McLean might just have saved us from relegation with that performance. Pretty sure he was carrying an injury in that game too. Feck it, give it to them both.
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Post by thicknthin on Jul 15, 2020 20:19:49 GMT
That cross 4 the goal reminded me of Etherington vs Man City with 10 men. Beattie goal! Not for me really, tonight’s was a perfect whip it in the danger area type cross, JMC never looked up but he did put the perfect weight and whip on it to be dangerous. It was virtually impossible to defend against, but it did rely on someone anticipating it. Ethers had one man in a heavily defended box, but he picked his man out and put it straight On his head. Both great crosses, both will be ones to savour!
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Post by bojanwonder on Jul 15, 2020 20:21:54 GMT
The lad will always divide opinion, both for his football and his politics. But tonight we should only be focusing on THAT cross which led to THAT goal, because without it things would be a lot more scary going into the last two games. How people can say they can't wait for him to fuck off is beyond me. All entitled to an opinion I suppose but I for one hope he stays and continues to get better under MON next season!
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Post by bojanwonder on Jul 15, 2020 20:23:47 GMT
personally I would give it to McClean, he never complains about where he plays and I know he aint perfect but he always gives is all. Yeah I'm a bit torn as I do like a player who is prepared to run through brick walls in a Stoke shirt. I just think with the goals from Clucas he's edged it. Then again when we came back from 1-2 down to win 3-2 in that crazy game earlier in the season I turned to my brother after the final whistle and said McLean might just have saved us from relegation with that performance. Pretty sure he was carrying an injury in that game too. Feck it, give it to them both. Said the same about that game. He was immense!
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jul 15, 2020 20:37:36 GMT
I'd give Powell the player of the season. I'd give McClean a free transfer and get rid.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 15, 2020 21:05:43 GMT
McClean is certainly a Marmite player isn't he!
Overall, I like him. I don't really care about his politics...I don't agree with his views but he absolutely has the right to hold them and I actually applaud him for having the courage to speak out rather than just be yet another bland public figure who tries not to offend anyone ever. Good on him. I support wearing poppies but absolutely abhor attempts at 'shaming' him because he doesn't want to wear one. Poppy fascism is not a good thing.
As for him as a footballer, well I think he does a good job for us given the circumstances (a crap team!) and he isn't afraid to get stuck in. Of course, there are more talented players than him but I reckon if he were surrounded by a decent set of players he'd be immense. You at least know he'll turn up on the day and give his all. I wish we could say the same for others.
Definitely a candidate for player of the season for me.
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Post by thicknthin on Jul 15, 2020 21:11:22 GMT
Player of the season between him and Clucas So you just handed it to Clucas then?
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 15, 2020 21:14:35 GMT
Player of the season between him and Clucas So you just handed it to Clucas then? No Its McClean for me, played wherever he has been told and gave his all
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 15, 2020 21:16:03 GMT
Yeah I'm a bit torn as I do like a player who is prepared to run through brick walls in a Stoke shirt. I just think with the goals from Clucas he's edged it. Then again when we came back from 1-2 down to win 3-2 in that crazy game earlier in the season I turned to my brother after the final whistle and said McLean might just have saved us from relegation with that performance. Pretty sure he was carrying an injury in that game too. Feck it, give it to them both. Said the same about that game. He was immense! Well technically it might end up true if we stay up by less than 3 points because without McLean on the pitch that day there isn't a chance in hell we would have staged that last few minutes come back. It still gives me goose bumps thinking about it now. For about 24 hours I fell back in love with Stoke. Back to tolerating them again after that
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Post by bojanwonder on Jul 15, 2020 21:47:59 GMT
Said the same about that game. He was immense! Well technically it might end up true if we stay up by less than 3 points because without McLean on the pitch that day there isn't a chance in hell we would have staged that last few minutes come back. It still gives me goose bumps thinking about it now. For about 24 hours I fell back in love with Stoke. Back to tolerating them again after that A whole 24 hours! Think it only lasted about 2 for me before that feeling wore off again! 😆
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 15, 2020 22:25:27 GMT
Superb cross and another assist. Must have really pissed some off...cough How many crosses did he attempt? Worked his socks off again, got an assist but he lacks so much quality it's untrue, wasting several great situations in the process. Most crosses don't come off. You know what would be a good updated stat? This one:
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jul 15, 2020 22:29:32 GMT
I judge him on what he does on the pitch, and since O’Neil came in he has put in a shift every time he has been on the pitch, runs and runs and runs and his quality is slowly starting to show through in his crossing into the box.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 15, 2020 22:31:13 GMT
Another good thing about McClean is he's not scared to put crosses in (or at least try). At least to my eyes, one of the reasons we became so crap in the Premier League (under both Pulis and Hughes) was our players barely attempted to cross the ball. We hardly played to the strengths of players like Crouch. Even Etherington (whose crosses we probably wouldn't have stayed in the Premier League without) seemed to lose his confidence when it came to crossing and dribbling.
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Post by skip on Jul 16, 2020 1:17:38 GMT
Ooh, McLean isn't a Proddy Dog, and I know loads about Irish History so I'll abuse one of our most consistent players etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 8:54:19 GMT
The abuse he gets on poppy day , including from Stoke fans, is outrageous
If he was abused like that , by his own fans for being black , Stoke would be kicked out the league.
He simply has to do nothing to make himself look ten foot tall and those abusing him look infantile.
Instead he goes out and plays for the shirt and is arguably our most committed player
That's brilliant
It's the right way to go about making your abusers look even smaller than they already are .
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Post by pez75 on Jul 16, 2020 9:43:49 GMT
Like a lot of players in our squad he's alright, but we could do so much better...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 16, 2020 10:05:06 GMT
Well technically it might end up true if we stay up by less than 3 points because without McLean on the pitch that day there isn't a chance in hell we would have staged that last few minutes come back. It still gives me goose bumps thinking about it now. For about 24 hours I fell back in love with Stoke. Back to tolerating them again after that A whole 24 hours! Think it only lasted about 2 for me before that feeling wore off again! 😆 Aye it was a bit over the top I know. but these days you have to savour the good moments as much as you can because they don't come around that often.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 16, 2020 10:40:30 GMT
How many crosses did he attempt? Worked his socks off again, got an assist but he lacks so much quality it's untrue, wasting several great situations in the process. Most crosses don't come off. You know what would be a good updated stat? This one: This is interesting. Shows that people see what they want to see a lot of the time. Show me a player playing at this level whose every cross is successful?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 11:29:14 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 11:34:28 GMT
Most crosses don't come off. You know what would be a good updated stat? This one: This is interesting. Shows that people see what they want to see a lot of the time. Show me a player playing at this level whose every cross is successful? Can we see that as % please, then I might go ah yeah you've got me. McClean puts in loads of crosses per game. 31 being succesful is less than 1 a game. That's really bad isn't it? And I know it's the most on that list, I'd suggest it's shite for them all!
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 16, 2020 11:36:47 GMT
The abuse he gets on poppy day , including from Stoke fans, is outrageous If he was abused like that , by his own fans for being black , Stoke would be kicked out the league. He simply has to do nothing to make himself look ten foot tall and those abusing him look infantile. Instead he goes out and plays for the shirt and is arguably our most committed player That's brilliant It's the right way to go about making your abusers look even smaller than they already are . Or you can call your own supporters cunts
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 16, 2020 11:50:15 GMT
Ooh, McLean isn't a Proddy Dog, and I know loads about Irish History so I'll abuse one of our most consistent players etc. What is a Proddy Dog ? sounds like a discriminatory term to me ! as a protestant I also find it highly offensive not the sort of term you would expect from someone in an education role.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 16, 2020 11:54:56 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. The other day we had Ince criticised for his goal-scoring shot, now JM is crap because his cross which resulted in a goal wasn’t good enough. It’s okay to just accept that players you don’t like do good things sometimes you know.
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Post by stokiejohn60 on Jul 16, 2020 11:56:03 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. 🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 11:56:25 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. The other day we had Ince criticised for his goal-scoring shot, now JM is crap because his cross which resulted in a goal wasn’t good enough. It’s okay to just accept that players you don’t like do good things sometimes you know. Yeah it was a lovely cross. If he crossed like that half the time I could grow to like the twat.
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Post by skip on Jul 16, 2020 11:59:47 GMT
Ooh, McLean isn't a Proddy Dog, and I know loads about Irish History so I'll abuse one of our most consistent players etc. What is a Proddy Dog ? sounds like a discriminatory term to me ! as a protestant I also find it highly offensive not the sort of term you would expect from someone in an education role. It's complicit irony, written in a fictional third person, mirroring the abuse he receives for being a politically minded Irish Catholic. If all the people who hurl abuse at him for having the temerity to think for himself over the poppy on football shirts afforded him the same grace we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 16, 2020 12:05:26 GMT
This is interesting. Shows that people see what they want to see a lot of the time. Show me a player playing at this level whose every cross is successful? Can we see that as % please, then I might go ah yeah you've got me. McClean puts in loads of crosses per game. 31 being succesful is less than 1 a game. That's really bad isn't it? And I know it's the most on that list, I'd suggest it's shite for them all! Is it not a good thing that a player manages to get in so many crosses in a game of football, even if they are not all Beckham like crosses??? There is a virtue in being able to even get into a position to cross a ball in the first place. Its like criticising a forward who gets 10 shots in during a game and only scores 1
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 16, 2020 12:07:22 GMT
Batth's diving header made McClean look good. If Batth hadn't thrown himself like that, it would just have been the latest in a long, long line of aimless crosses. You mean Baath doing what any decent centre forward would do on the end of that cross.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2020 12:09:00 GMT
Can we see that as % please, then I might go ah yeah you've got me. McClean puts in loads of crosses per game. 31 being succesful is less than 1 a game. That's really bad isn't it? And I know it's the most on that list, I'd suggest it's shite for them all! Is it not a good thing that a player manages to get in so many crosses in a game of football, even if they are not all Beckham like crosses??? There is a virtue in being able to even get into a position to cross a ball in the first place. No. It's absolutely pointless if no one is in the box. You're just losing possession and that's about half the time he crosses. There's no thought behind his crossing. He hits them as hard as he can and hopes for the best. He usually doesn't look up to see who's there and then usually they fly over everyones head. It's brainless play.
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