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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 1:05:56 GMT
I don't blame Jimmy one iota. I personally witneesed vile anti Irish shit being shouted from the Stoke end at home and way games.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2021 5:59:03 GMT
The cunts quoting Bobby sands again The quote in the context is valid, who cares who the source is? Quote Hitler for all I care so long as the quote is both valid and can be justified. We can only learn from history, if not we simply relive it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 6:09:25 GMT
I don't blame Jimmy one iota. I personally witneesed vile anti Irish shit being shouted from the Stoke end at home and way games. I've heard anti IRA shit (which there is still no place for at a football match) but McClean hasn't exactly helped himself there. I've also heard a lot of support for MON, Collins and all the other Irish men over the years but nothing abusive about their nationality (unless you count drinking whisky and Guinness). What did you hear?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 7:01:27 GMT
The ira the cowardly murdering bastards deserved every second of abuse they got
As did any cowardly shit who failed to denounce there murdering actions
And before anyone wants to have a go I’m from Irish Catholic stock But can clearly remember having school trips cancelled to London because they couldn’t be sure those bastards wouldn’t turn us to mincemeat
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 7:52:11 GMT
The cunts quoting Bobby sands again The quote in the context is valid, who cares who the source is? Quote Hitler for all I care so long as the quote is both valid and can be justified. We can only learn from history, if not we simply relive it. You really think that's acceptable to quote a convicted IRA terrorist? Tell that to the families that those bastards innocently murdered. McClean needs to go, and go quick. He's a no good troublemaker who has left a very bad mark on our club.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2021 7:58:26 GMT
The quote in the context is valid, who cares who the source is? Quote Hitler for all I care so long as the quote is both valid and can be justified. We can only learn from history, if not we simply relive it. You really think that's acceptable to quote a convicted IRA terrorist? Tell that to the families that those bastards innocently murdered. McClean needs to go, and go quick. He's a no good troublemaker who has left a very bad mark on our club. In light of this evidence I have to disagree. I would like to think that justice, whatever that was, was done and that we can move on and learn from history. Atrocities were, and have been, committed by both sides. Everyone, including James, has a right to believe in whatever he wishes. He clearly isn't wishing anything but peace in this instance, and whether or not you agree with the politics of Ireland or Irish people defending themselves in whatever way they so did, just as the Scotts did, just as the Germans did, just as the Vikings did, just as many afghans and Iraqis did, when foreign invaders invade... You simply hope that we learn not to wish violence on one another for the same of future generations. I'm quite sure this is what James is reminding us of here. I don't see his quotation as threatening in the slightest and I believe the 'families of those victims' as you put it would likely agree - peace is always the preferred option.
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 15, 2021 8:11:11 GMT
You really think that's acceptable to quote a convicted IRA terrorist? Tell that to the families that those bastards innocently murdered. McClean needs to go, and go quick. He's a no good troublemaker who has left a very bad mark on our club. In light of this evidence I have to disagree. I would like to think that justice, whatever that was, was done and that we can move on and learn from history. Atrocious were, and have been, committed by both sides. Everyone, including James, has a right to believe in whatever he wishes. He clearly isn't wishing anything but peace in this instance, and whether or not you agree with the politics of Ireland or Irish people defending themselves in whatever way they so did, just as the Scotts did, just as the Germans did, just as the Vikings did, just as many afghans and Iraqis did, when foreign invaders invade... You simply hope that we learn not to wish violence on one another for the same of future generations. I'm quite sure this is what James is reminding us of here. I don't see his quotation as threatening in the slightest and I believe the 'families of those victims' as you put it would likely agree - peace is always the preferred option. Instead of Instagram rants etc. Surely he would do better to get his Solicitor to write to the FA threatening legal action for not safeguarding him? As seemingly they are ignoring the issue ( to my knowledge). Thing is, I’ve never heard any other Irish player raise being racially abused an issue.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2021 8:17:27 GMT
In light of this evidence I have to disagree. I would like to think that justice, whatever that was, was done and that we can move on and learn from history. Atrocious were, and have been, committed by both sides. Everyone, including James, has a right to believe in whatever he wishes. He clearly isn't wishing anything but peace in this instance, and whether or not you agree with the politics of Ireland or Irish people defending themselves in whatever way they so did, just as the Scotts did, just as the Germans did, just as the Vikings did, just as many afghans and Iraqis did, when foreign invaders invade... You simply hope that we learn not to wish violence on one another for the same of future generations. I'm quite sure this is what James is reminding us of here. I don't see his quotation as threatening in the slightest and I believe the 'families of those victims' as you put it would likely agree - peace is always the preferred option. Instead of Instagram rants etc. Surely he would do better to get his Solicitor to write to the FA threatening legal action for not safeguarding him? As seemingly they are ignoring the issue ( to my knowledge). Thing is, I’ve never heard any other Irish player raise being racially abused an issue. Social media is a modern day movement whether you accept it or not. It provides agency for those with little influence and often enables individuals to speak up and speak out to a much larger proportion of society regarding such matters as discrimination, racism, inequitable circumstances (not inequality, because equality is unrealistic without equity). So I digress, times have changed and long may it continue. I'm not a user of social media nor do I pay attention to much posted on it, but for those who may require a voice, and for many to acknowledge such voices, is important for democracy -so long as it is not abused by power (see the lies and tribulations of trump, Brexit etc). I don't think a letter to the FA would have brought attention to the masses, but social media has provided this platform to many and I wholeheartedly agree with James, racism in any form has no part within modern society, just as how socioeconomic status should not dictate opportunity, amongst other discriminations that still somehow remain acceptable within 'modern' societies. Perhaps ww2 wouldn't have even occurred if people, regular people, in Germany an d other societies were recognised and afforded agency on a global scale. Perhaps we could have realised the inequitable circumstances of individuals who were not responsible, the children mostly, for any part in the war yet were suffering because of others attempts to 'punish' their society. Just speculating but it is a distinct possibility. Very few gay footballers also 'come out', which goes to show just how discriminatory the industry is at its heart -potentially society within this regard. Just as sexuality is a choice, so is belief. It shouldn't even be a thing but it is, because as a society discrimination still exists.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 8:29:51 GMT
In light of this evidence I have to disagree. I would like to think that justice, whatever that was, was done and that we can move on and learn from history. Atrocious were, and have been, committed by both sides. Everyone, including James, has a right to believe in whatever he wishes. He clearly isn't wishing anything but peace in this instance, and whether or not you agree with the politics of Ireland or Irish people defending themselves in whatever way they so did, just as the Scotts did, just as the Germans did, just as the Vikings did, just as many afghans and Iraqis did, when foreign invaders invade... You simply hope that we learn not to wish violence on one another for the same of future generations. I'm quite sure this is what James is reminding us of here. I don't see his quotation as threatening in the slightest and I believe the 'families of those victims' as you put it would likely agree - peace is always the preferred option. Instead of Instagram rants etc. Surely he would do better to get his Solicitor to write to the FA threatening legal action for not safeguarding him? As seemingly they are ignoring the issue ( to my knowledge). Thing is, I’ve never heard any other Irish player raise being racially abused an issue. McClean doesn't seem to be able to tell the difference between anti IRA and anti Irish. He contradicted himself last summer when he had a go at his Irish team mates for supporting BLM but not him.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 8:50:35 GMT
You really think that's acceptable to quote a convicted IRA terrorist? Tell that to the families that those bastards innocently murdered. McClean needs to go, and go quick. He's a no good troublemaker who has left a very bad mark on our club. In light of this evidence I have to disagree. I would like to think that justice, whatever that was, was done and that we can move on and learn from history. Atrocities were, and have been, committed by both sides. Everyone, including James, has a right to believe in whatever he wishes. He clearly isn't wishing anything but peace in this instance, and whether or not you agree with the politics of Ireland or Irish people defending themselves in whatever way they so did, just as the Scotts did, just as the Germans did, just as the Vikings did, just as many afghans and Iraqis did, when foreign invaders invade... You simply hope that we learn not to wish violence on one another for the same of future generations. I'm quite sure this is what James is reminding us of here. I don't see his quotation as threatening in the slightest and I believe the 'families of those victims' as you put it would likely agree - peace is always the preferred option. In the light of evidence How pray tell me we’re those murdering bastards defending there fellow Irishman By blowing the shit out of children in Warrington Yes children who’s only crime was to go shopping
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 9:25:18 GMT
He could of quoted a member of the SDLP instead
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2021 10:08:26 GMT
In light of this evidence I have to disagree. I would like to think that justice, whatever that was, was done and that we can move on and learn from history. Atrocities were, and have been, committed by both sides. Everyone, including James, has a right to believe in whatever he wishes. He clearly isn't wishing anything but peace in this instance, and whether or not you agree with the politics of Ireland or Irish people defending themselves in whatever way they so did, just as the Scotts did, just as the Germans did, just as the Vikings did, just as many afghans and Iraqis did, when foreign invaders invade... You simply hope that we learn not to wish violence on one another for the same of future generations. I'm quite sure this is what James is reminding us of here. I don't see his quotation as threatening in the slightest and I believe the 'families of those victims' as you put it would likely agree - peace is always the preferred option. In the light of evidence How pray tell me we’re those murdering bastards defending there fellow Irishman By blowing the shit out of children in Warrington Yes children who’s only crime was to go shopping No one is condoning what he did but you seem to be misunderstanding actions with words. The word's that he stated and the cause he was standing for were legitimate, his actions are not condonable but perhaps if 'Sands' was given agency he too may not have participated in planning the atrocities. I mean, is singing god save the queen an example of supporting rape and pillaging? No, but the British empire is guilty of such (as are many civilizations and societies). The words of being Irish and proud are as valid as being British and proud. I don't agree with erasing history at all, acknowledging all aspects of history is important. McClean is against discrimination against his fellow countrymen. He has a point. It is racism. It is also a threat against his children's lives. He believes in the cause that Bobby sands stood for, perhaps not for his actions but the cause indeed. I can understand that, particularly within the historical context, what are you not able to grasp here? He is not condoning the bombings. He is also not trying to offend anyone, nor be racist, nor insult the families of the dead. Quoting Hitler's memoirs is also very useful in light of his reasonings behind many atrocities, it isn't wrong to do so. It is actually historically important to do so. The British army too are as guilty, as are American's, as are Chinese. There is no culture in history that has not committed atrocities for what they too believe in, it is not right but it is important to understand and acknowledge the desperation that often creates and facilitates such desperation.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 10:12:10 GMT
In the light of evidence How pray tell me we’re those murdering bastards defending there fellow Irishman By blowing the shit out of children in Warrington Yes children who’s only crime was to go shopping No one is condoning what he did but you seem to be misunderstanding actions with words. The word's that he stated and the cause he was standing for were legitimate, his actions are not condonable but perhaps if 'Sands' was given agency he too may not have participated in planning the atrocities. I mean, is singing god save the queen an example of supporting rape and pillaging? No, but the British empire is guilty of such (as are many civilizations and societies). The words of being Irish and proud are as valid as being British and proud. I don't agree with erasing history at all, acknowledging all aspects of history is important. McClean is against discrimination against his fellow countrymen. He has a point. It is racism. It is also a threat against his children's lives. He believes in the cause that Bobby sands stood for, perhaps not for his actions but the cause indeed. I can understand that, particularly within the historical context, what are you not able to grasp here? He is not condoning the bombings. He is also not trying to offend anyone, nor be racist, nor insult the families of the dead. Quoting Hitler's memoirs is also very useful in light of his reasonings behind many atrocities, it isn't wrong to do so. It is actually historically important to do so. You can be proud of being catholic You can be proud of being Irish trust me I am There is no pride in supporting those evil murdering bastards And no justification for anything they did
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2021 10:20:56 GMT
No one is condoning what he did but you seem to be misunderstanding actions with words. The word's that he stated and the cause he was standing for were legitimate, his actions are not condonable but perhaps if 'Sands' was given agency he too may not have participated in planning the atrocities. I mean, is singing god save the queen an example of supporting rape and pillaging? No, but the British empire is guilty of such (as are many civilizations and societies). The words of being Irish and proud are as valid as being British and proud. I don't agree with erasing history at all, acknowledging all aspects of history is important. McClean is against discrimination against his fellow countrymen. He has a point. It is racism. It is also a threat against his children's lives. He believes in the cause that Bobby sands stood for, perhaps not for his actions but the cause indeed. I can understand that, particularly within the historical context, what are you not able to grasp here? He is not condoning the bombings. He is also not trying to offend anyone, nor be racist, nor insult the families of the dead. Quoting Hitler's memoirs is also very useful in light of his reasonings behind many atrocities, it isn't wrong to do so. It is actually historically important to do so. You can be proud of being catholic You can be proud of being Irish trust me I am There is no pride in supporting those evil murdering bastards And no justification for anything they did I disagree. There is justification for their hunger strikes and their frustration, and that can only be understood by accepting the perspectives of all parties involved. Whoever does something has their own justification for such actions, and we should try to understand the reasoning's - it could be that someone is not sound of mind, it could be god complex, it could be martyrdom, there are many reasons why someone justifies something so there are always justifications, you do not have to agree with them however. The atrocities, no...it is difficult to condone, but there are many justifications for their reasonings and actions according to those who committed the actions. Actions are often dictated and reasonings negated by desperation and emotions. It is like trying to justify the war on Iraq and British participation, which according to research led to 650,000 lives, and then not understanding why terrorism or extremism towards the West exists.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 15, 2021 10:22:54 GMT
Remind me, have any of our countless other Irish players down the years experienced 'anti-Irish abuse' by Stoke fans? I could have sworn our former Club President was an Irishman....
All McClean does is add fuel to the fire. Complains about sectarian abuse but quotes Bobby Sands and wears a balaclava...🤔 Perhaps he should start by looking at his own actions?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 10:23:39 GMT
You can be proud of being catholic You can be proud of being Irish trust me I am There is no pride in supporting those evil murdering bastards And no justification for anything they did I disagree. There is justification for their hunger strikes and their frustration, and that can only be understood by accepting the perspectives of all parties involved. Whoever does something has their own justification for such actions, and we should try to understand the reasonigns - it could be that someone is not sound of mind, it could be god complex, it could be martyrdom, there are many reasons why someone justifies something so there are always justfications, you do not have to agree with them however. The atrocities, no...it is difficult to condone. But 1 millions but there are many justifications for their reasonings. Actions are often negated by desperation and emotions. It is like trying to justify the war on Iraq and British participation, which according to research led to 650,000 lives, and then not understanding why terrorism or extremism towards the West exists. But he's still shit at crossing the ball
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2021 10:26:19 GMT
I disagree. There is justification for their hunger strikes and their frustration, and that can only be understood by accepting the perspectives of all parties involved. Whoever does something has their own justification for such actions, and we should try to understand the reasonigns - it could be that someone is not sound of mind, it could be god complex, it could be martyrdom, there are many reasons why someone justifies something so there are always justifications, you do not have to agree with them however. The atrocities, no...it is difficult to condone. But 1 millions but there are many justifications for their reasonings. Actions are often negated by desperation and emotions. It is like trying to justify the war on Iraq and British participation, which according to research led to 650,000 lives, and then not understanding why terrorism or extremism towards the West exists. But he's still shit at crossing the ball undoubtedly
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 15, 2021 10:34:24 GMT
Remind me, have any of our countless other Irish players down the years experienced 'anti-Irish abuse' by Stoke fans? I could have sworn our former Club President was an Irishman.... All McClean does is add fuel to the fire. Complains about sectarian abuse but quotes Bobby Sands and wears a balaclava...🤔 Perhaps he should start by looking at his own actions? Please try to focus on the important aspect that he is trying to highlight and erase here! Which is discrimination in any form. We need to eradicate it entirely, from the game, from society, from the planet. Lets just accept that and support McClean in his attempts, but perhaps try to understand his reasonings for quoting Bobby Sands in light of discriminations against the Irish...eh? He clearly believes they are connected, and yes they clearly are connected. He too clearly believes Sands was fighting for an Irish cause, and more than likely against discrimination of the Irish by the British parties involved in violence against the Irish, despite the atrocities committed. I think it is fair enough to quote such in such a context, and I dislike how the focus has moved away from the context and onto berating McClean, who is simply saying "Stop being racist". Perhaps he even wishes to highlight how extremism works on both sides of an atrocity, although I'm not sure he is capable of such. I think we can simply agree, when it comes to expressing himself, he is not particularly good at it. But he is still entitled to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 10:34:40 GMT
You can be proud of being catholic You can be proud of being Irish trust me I am There is no pride in supporting those evil murdering bastards And no justification for anything they did I disagree. There is justification for their hunger strikes and their frustration, and that can only be understood by accepting the perspectives of all parties involved. Whoever does something has their own justification for such actions, and we should try to understand the reasoning's - it could be that someone is not sound of mind, it could be god complex, it could be martyrdom, there are many reasons why someone justifies something so there are always justifications, you do not have to agree with them however. The atrocities, no...it is difficult to condone, but there are many justifications for their reasonings and actions according to those who committed the actions. Actions are often dictated and reasonings negated by desperation and emotions. It is like trying to justify the war on Iraq and British participation, which according to research led to 650,000 lives, and then not understanding why terrorism or extremism towards the West exists. The hunger strikes were down to having SCS taken away from them. Thatcher said it best: "we will not have terrorists hold our government ransom with their bodies." Why should they have had special status over other criminals? They were murderers and ruined countless lives. Best thing we did was let those parasites die of starvation.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 15, 2021 11:01:07 GMT
No one is condoning what he did but you seem to be misunderstanding actions with words. The word's that he stated and the cause he was standing for were legitimate, his actions are not condonable but perhaps if 'Sands' was given agency he too may not have participated in planning the atrocities. I mean, is singing god save the queen an example of supporting rape and pillaging? No, but the British empire is guilty of such (as are many civilizations and societies). The words of being Irish and proud are as valid as being British and proud. I don't agree with erasing history at all, acknowledging all aspects of history is important. McClean is against discrimination against his fellow countrymen. He has a point. It is racism. It is also a threat against his children's lives. He believes in the cause that Bobby sands stood for, perhaps not for his actions but the cause indeed. I can understand that, particularly within the historical context, what are you not able to grasp here? He is not condoning the bombings. He is also not trying to offend anyone, nor be racist, nor insult the families of the dead. Quoting Hitler's memoirs is also very useful in light of his reasonings behind many atrocities, it isn't wrong to do so. It is actually historically important to do so. You can be proud of being catholic You can be proud of being Irish trust me I am There is no pride in supporting those evil murdering bastards And no justification for anything they did Surely you could use exactly the same interpretation for anyone who sings 'God Save the Queen'. The British Empire has committed atrocities, and that is its theme tune, but that obviously doesn't make everyone who sings God Save the Queen a terrorist, or a supporter of terrorism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 11:05:05 GMT
You can be proud of being catholic You can be proud of being Irish trust me I am There is no pride in supporting those evil murdering bastards And no justification for anything they did Surely you could use exactly the same interpretation for anyone who sings 'God Save the Queen'. The British Empire has committed atrocities, and that is its theme tune, but that obviously doesn't make everyone who sings God Save the Queen a terrorist, or a supporter of terrorism. Which is why the Irish and others will boo God Save The Queen, but we are not in Ireland
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Post by Bagwash on Feb 15, 2021 11:09:00 GMT
This is what you get when Maclean is at your club,more time discussing his political beliefs or what he has or hasn't said than anything he does on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 11:11:47 GMT
Surely you could use exactly the same interpretation for anyone who sings 'God Save the Queen'. The British Empire has committed atrocities, and that is its theme tune, but that obviously doesn't make everyone who sings God Save the Queen a terrorist, or a supporter of terrorism. Which is why the Irish and others will boo God Save The Queen, but we are not in Ireland Absolute nonsense comment.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 11:41:26 GMT
Surely you could use exactly the same interpretation for anyone who sings 'God Save the Queen'. The British Empire has committed atrocities, and that is its theme tune, but that obviously doesn't make everyone who sings God Save the Queen a terrorist, or a supporter of terrorism. Which is why the Irish and others will boo God Save The Queen, but we are not in Ireland My grandmother was born in Ireland and had a British passport and was proud of both She didn’t boo god save the king Her family fought in the First World War for their king and country As for others booing there countries national anthem that’s entirely their own opinion Are any of you that feel the need to support or defend those murdering bastards Old enough to have lived through there terror and sat in pubs where they would have collections for the cause
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Post by claymore on Feb 15, 2021 12:24:48 GMT
Which is why the Irish and others will boo God Save The Queen, but we are not in Ireland My grandmother was born in Ireland and had a British passport and was proud of both She didn’t boo god save the king Her family fought in the First World War for their king and country As for others booing there countries national anthem that’s entirely their own opinion Are any of you that feel the need to support or defend those murdering bastards Old enough to have lived through there terror and sat in pubs where they would have collections for the cause The fekking brits have enough blood on their own filthy murderous hands, the fekkers have a world wide reputation for bloodshed and genocide, don't forget it was the fekkin brits invented the modern concept of death camps, the brits seem to conveniently forget that.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 13:13:04 GMT
My grandmother was born in Ireland and had a British passport and was proud of both She didn’t boo god save the king Her family fought in the First World War for their king and country As for others booing there countries national anthem that’s entirely their own opinion Are any of you that feel the need to support or defend those murdering bastards Old enough to have lived through there terror and sat in pubs where they would have collections for the cause The fekking brits have enough blood on their own filthy murderous hands, the fekkers have a world wide reputation for bloodshed and genocide, don't forget it was the fekkin brits invented the modern concept of death camps, the brits seem to conveniently forget that. There’s still no need for murdering cowards Cowards because they hadn’t the balls to take the army on full frontal and preferred to murder non armed members of the public To indiscriminately bomb innocent children and any one who thinks it’s acceptable or supports the organisation that commits such acts Are no better than the bastard who planted the bomb in Warrington
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Post by thevoid on Feb 15, 2021 13:51:02 GMT
My grandmother was born in Ireland and had a British passport and was proud of both She didn’t boo god save the king Her family fought in the First World War for their king and country As for others booing there countries national anthem that’s entirely their own opinion Are any of you that feel the need to support or defend those murdering bastards Old enough to have lived through there terror and sat in pubs where they would have collections for the cause The fekking brits have enough blood on their own filthy murderous hands, the fekkers have a world wide reputation for bloodshed and genocide, don't forget it was the fekkin brits invented the modern concept of death camps, the brits seem to conveniently forget that. Best not support a Brit football club then?
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Post by thevoid on Feb 15, 2021 13:56:09 GMT
Remind me, have any of our countless other Irish players down the years experienced 'anti-Irish abuse' by Stoke fans? I could have sworn our former Club President was an Irishman.... All McClean does is add fuel to the fire. Complains about sectarian abuse but quotes Bobby Sands and wears a balaclava...🤔 Perhaps he should start by looking at his own actions? Please try to focus on the important aspect that he is trying to highlight and erase here! Which is discrimination in any form. We need to eradicate it entirely, from the game, from society, from the planet. Lets just accept that and support McClean in his attempts, but perhaps try to understand his reasonings for quoting Bobby Sands in light of discriminations against the Irish...eh? He clearly believes they are connected, and yes they clearly are connected. He too clearly believes Sands was fighting for an Irish cause, and more than likely against discrimination of the Irish by the British parties involved in violence against the Irish, despite the atrocities committed. I think it is fair enough to quote such in such a context, and I dislike how the focus has moved away from the context and onto berating McClean, who is simply saying "Stop being racist". Perhaps he even wishes to highlight how extremism works on both sides of an atrocity, although I'm not sure he is capable of such. I think we can simply agree, when it comes to expressing himself, he is not particularly good at it. But he is still entitled to do so. But if he continues to post such quotes then he'll continue to attract attention from some people. Perhaps some of the people who Tweeted him lost friends or family to IRA attacks?
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Post by hardcastle on Feb 15, 2021 15:07:32 GMT
I've never picked up on any anti-Irish sentiment amongst the Stoke City support. Did TC or Glen Whelan or the scores of other former Stoke players encounter this?
My guess is that if (for example) members of CND or the Vegan Society or Climate Change activists - all legitimate political causes - were perpetrating acts of violence which led to 3000 deaths across Ireland and the British Mainland, there would be a reaction against those who promoted their cause. But it's got nothing to do with race.
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Post by mattyd2 on Feb 15, 2021 15:33:49 GMT
We have had plenty of Irish players down the years, many of whom became terrace heroes, SJW, Rory, Liam Lawrence, O'Connor etc etc etc, and were loved both on and off the pitch.
Unfortunately for McClean he is just so unlikeable it's hard for some to feel any sort of sympathy for him, it's got fuck all to do with race, religion or anything else, he's just an unlikeable character.
Oh, and he's wank.
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