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Post by RAF on Feb 15, 2021 15:40:47 GMT
My grandmother was born in Ireland and had a British passport and was proud of both She didn’t boo god save the king Her family fought in the First World War for their king and country As for others booing there countries national anthem that’s entirely their own opinion Are any of you that feel the need to support or defend those murdering bastards Old enough to have lived through there terror and sat in pubs where they would have collections for the cause The fekking brits have enough blood on their own filthy murderous hands, the fekkers have a world wide reputation for bloodshed and genocide, don't forget it was the fekkin brits invented the modern concept of death camps, the brits seem to conveniently forget that. Wow, you are very special. H
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2021 15:42:53 GMT
The cunts quoting Bobby sands again The quote in the context is valid, who cares who the source is? Quote Hitler for all I care so long as the quote is both valid and can be justified. We can only learn from history, if not we simply relive it. Some want to re write it and have done is that acceptable ?
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Post by flea79 on Feb 15, 2021 15:54:46 GMT
shouldnt threaten his family his kids are truly innocent, unfortunately his balaclava stunt has made them a target too
but i think it is agreed that he should leave the club this summer and go somewhere else, maybe north of the border, or back to the emerald isle as he loves it so much and plainly hates the UK
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 16:17:43 GMT
I don't blame Jimmy one iota. I personally witneesed vile anti Irish shit being shouted from the Stoke end at home and way games. I've heard anti IRA shit (which there is still no place for at a football match) but McClean hasn't exactly helped himself there. I've also heard a lot of support for MON, Collins and all the other Irish men over the years but nothing abusive about their nationality (unless you count drinking whisky and Guinness). What did you hear? Two men in the away end at Charlton who frankly were so angered by his presence in our side you'd think they were the verge of some kind of collective seizure. "Fenian c***", "fuck off back to Ireland...', yelling at him when he was only a few metres away from the Stoke fans. And the wonderfully inventive "McClean you IRA c***" at a home game.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2021 16:21:10 GMT
I've heard anti IRA shit (which there is still no place for at a football match) but McClean hasn't exactly helped himself there. I've also heard a lot of support for MON, Collins and all the other Irish men over the years but nothing abusive about their nationality (unless you count drinking whisky and Guinness). What did you hear? Two men in the away end at Charlton who frankly were so angered by his presence in our side you'd think they were the verge of some kind of collective seizure. "Fenian c***", "fuck off back to Ireland...', yelling at him when he was only a few metres away from the Stoke fans. And the wonderfully inventive "McClean you IRA c***" at a home game. If you were so outraged/offended by this did you report them ?
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 16:30:59 GMT
Two men in the away end at Charlton who frankly were so angered by his presence in our side you'd think they were the verge of some kind of collective seizure. "Fenian c***", "fuck off back to Ireland...', yelling at him when he was only a few metres away from the Stoke fans. And the wonderfully inventive "McClean you IRA c***" at a home game. If you were so outraged/offended by this did you report them ? And risk getting my head caved in by them or their mates standing all around them saying fuck all to deter them? I've got standards, not a fucking death wish. Oh, and also I had my two sons with me, aged 9 and 11 at the time, who have Irish maternal lineage, so that was pleasant.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2021 16:34:23 GMT
I find it very strange and telling that of all the Irish players we have had and have played against none have attracted the abuse that he has, I wonder why that is ? he seems to attract hatred wherever he goes from both home and away fans.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2021 16:37:32 GMT
If you were so outraged/offended by this did you report them ? And risk getting my head caved in by them or their mates standing all around them saying fuck all to deter them? I've got standards, not a fucking death wish. Oh, and also I had my two sons with me, aged 9 and 11 at the time, who have Irish maternal lineage, so that was pleasant. If people don't make a stand against them nothing will change, sometimes you have to confront these issues head on.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2021 16:41:52 GMT
No one is condoning what he did but you seem to be misunderstanding actions with words. The word's that he stated and the cause he was standing for were legitimate, his actions are not condonable but perhaps if 'Sands' was given agency he too may not have participated in planning the atrocities. I mean, is singing god save the queen an example of supporting rape and pillaging? No, but the British empire is guilty of such (as are many civilizations and societies). The words of being Irish and proud are as valid as being British and proud. I don't agree with erasing history at all, acknowledging all aspects of history is important. McClean is against discrimination against his fellow countrymen. He has a point. It is racism. It is also a threat against his children's lives. He believes in the cause that Bobby sands stood for, perhaps not for his actions but the cause indeed. I can understand that, particularly within the historical context, what are you not able to grasp here? He is not condoning the bombings. He is also not trying to offend anyone, nor be racist, nor insult the families of the dead. Quoting Hitler's memoirs is also very useful in light of his reasonings behind many atrocities, it isn't wrong to do so. It is actually historically important to do so. You can be proud of being catholic You can be proud of being Irish trust me I am There is no pride in supporting those evil murdering bastards And no justification for anything they did There's some people in Ireland who would take your quote and aim it at the British Army for their part in Bloody Sunday though, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 16:42:06 GMT
I've heard anti IRA shit (which there is still no place for at a football match) but McClean hasn't exactly helped himself there. I've also heard a lot of support for MON, Collins and all the other Irish men over the years but nothing abusive about their nationality (unless you count drinking whisky and Guinness). What did you hear? Two men in the away end at Charlton who frankly were so angered by his presence in our side you'd think they were the verge of some kind of collective seizure. "Fenian c***", "fuck off back to Ireland...', yelling at him when he was only a few metres away from the Stoke fans. And the wonderfully inventive "McClean you IRA c***" at a home game. That's anti IRA not anti Irish
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 16:45:39 GMT
Two men in the away end at Charlton who frankly were so angered by his presence in our side you'd think they were the verge of some kind of collective seizure. "Fenian c***", "fuck off back to Ireland...', yelling at him when he was only a few metres away from the Stoke fans. And the wonderfully inventive "McClean you IRA c***" at a home game. That's anti IRA not anti Irish And that's hair splitting.
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 16:47:24 GMT
And risk getting my head caved in by them or their mates standing all around them saying fuck all to deter them? I've got standards, not a fucking death wish. Oh, and also I had my two sons with me, aged 9 and 11 at the time, who have Irish maternal lineage, so that was pleasant. If people don't make a stand against them nothing will change, sometimes you have to confront these issues head on. Thank you for explaining that to me. I will bare it mind next time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 16:48:00 GMT
That's anti IRA not anti Irish And that's hair splitting. Is it? There's a reason McClean gets the IRA abuse and other Irish players don't. He described himself as a proud fenian.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 16:49:36 GMT
That's anti IRA not anti Irish And that's hair splitting. But true People don’t care that McLeans Irish His nationality has nothing to do with it It’s his support for convicted terrorists His failure to call out the vile murdering cowardly bastards
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 16:50:04 GMT
And that's hair splitting. Is it? There's a reason McClean gets the IRA abuse and other Irish players don't. He described himself as a proud fenian. Because he has the temerity to call out what the British Armed Forces did to his family and friends?
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 16:51:14 GMT
And that's hair splitting. But true People don’t care that McLeans Irish His nationality has nothing to do with it It’s his support for convicted terrorists His failure to call out the vile murdering cowardly bastards You do know there is evidence that British Armed Forces shot teenage Irish kids in the back as they ran away don't you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 16:52:09 GMT
Is it? There's a reason McClean gets the IRA abuse and other Irish players don't. He described himself as a proud fenian. Because he has the temerity to call out what the British Armed Forces did to his family and friends? Because of his support for a terrorist organisation who killed people in this country
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 16:56:46 GMT
But true People don’t care that McLeans Irish His nationality has nothing to do with it It’s his support for convicted terrorists His failure to call out the vile murdering cowardly bastards You do know there is evidence that British Armed Forces shot teenage Irish kids in the back as they ran away don't you. I’m talking about innocent men women and children who’s only crime was to go to the pub or go shopping Are you ok with those being collateral damage My best mate was a paratrooper in Northern Ireland in the early seventies and to this day he struggles with having seen his mates blown to shit There only crime was going where they were told to protect and uphold the right for British citizens to remain British
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 15, 2021 16:57:57 GMT
You do know there is evidence that British Armed Forces shot teenage Irish kids in the back as they ran away don't you. I’m talking about innocent men women and children who’s only crime was to go to the pub or go shopping Are you ok with those being collateral damage My best mate was a paratrooper in Northern Ireland in the early seventies and to this day he struggles with having seen his mates blown to shit There only crime was going where they were told to protect and uphold the right for British citizens to remain British All of that is true. But you didn't answer the question to be fair......
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2021 17:03:09 GMT
If people don't make a stand against them nothing will change, sometimes you have to confront these issues head on. Thank you for explaining that to me. I will bare it mind next time. No problem always happy to help.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 17:06:21 GMT
I’m talking about innocent men women and children who’s only crime was to go to the pub or go shopping Are you ok with those being collateral damage My best mate was a paratrooper in Northern Ireland in the early seventies and to this day he struggles with having seen his mates blown to shit There only crime was going where they were told to protect and uphold the right for British citizens to remain British All of that is true. But you didn't answer the question to be fair...... I’m sure there were mistakes made in Londonderry But it is no where as clean cut as some would have it yes errors that caused death happened and should not have But there is no way the bombing of London Birmingham Manchester Brighton Warrington etc Can be described as mistakes or errors of judgement they were evil acts of cowards
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 17:07:47 GMT
Because he has the temerity to call out what the British Armed Forces did to his family and friends? Because of his support for a terrorist organisation who killed people in this country Or his lack of support for a politically sanctioned organisation who killed people in his country.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2021 17:07:51 GMT
Because he has the temerity to call out what the British Armed Forces did to his family and friends? Because of his support for a terrorist organisation who killed people in this country A terrorist organisation that murdered and maimed more Catholics in Ireland than the British Army. Not overly bright is it.
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Post by skip on Feb 15, 2021 17:11:28 GMT
Because of his support for a terrorist organisation who killed people in this country A terrorist organisation that murdered and maimed more Catholics in Ireland than the British Army. Not overly bright is it. So we can agree that the British Army did maim and murder some Irish Catholics. At least we can agree on that much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 17:16:05 GMT
All of that is true. But you didn't answer the question to be fair...... I’m sure there were mistakes made in Londonderry But it is no where as clean cut as some would have it yes errors that caused death happened and should not have But there is no way the bombing of London Birmingham Manchester Brighton Warrington etc Can be described as mistakes or errors of judgement they were evil acts of cowards 25,000 innocent people in say Dresden was an act of bravery I guess?
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Post by stantheman on Feb 15, 2021 17:20:43 GMT
I’m sure there were mistakes made in Londonderry But it is no where as clean cut as some would have it yes errors that caused death happened and should not have But there is no way the bombing of London Birmingham Manchester Brighton Warrington etc Can be described as mistakes or errors of judgement they were evil acts of cowards 25,000 innocent people in say Dresden was an act of bravery I guess? What in the name of fuck has this message board come to? You quote Dresden in regard to a thread about James McClean? I've read it all now.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2021 17:25:35 GMT
I’m sure there were mistakes made in Londonderry But it is no where as clean cut as some would have it yes errors that caused death happened and should not have But there is no way the bombing of London Birmingham Manchester Brighton Warrington etc Can be described as mistakes or errors of judgement they were evil acts of cowards 25,000 innocent people in say Dresden was an act of bravery I guess? That was nothing short of murder So was the American use of weapons of mass destruction (note the only country ever to have used them ) in Japan Now I’ve passed my opinion on the question asked What is your opinion on the bombing of British cites and innocent civilians by cowardly murdering bastards in the 1970s and80s
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2021 17:44:39 GMT
A terrorist organisation that murdered and maimed more Catholics in Ireland than the British Army. Not overly bright is it. So we can agree that the British Army did maim and murder some Irish Catholics. At least we can agree on that much. I think we can assume that as they did, they were fighting against a cowardly armed terrorist organisation who put their own people at risk by using them as decoys and shields , do you agree that the IRA murdered and maimed more Catholics in Ireland than the British army ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2021 18:12:34 GMT
Has there ever been a footballer so bad who has had so much attention? It will be a huge relief when this is all over. He can go back to Derry play the returning hero and we will all forget about him.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 15, 2021 19:19:43 GMT
Can we all agree that he's a woeful footballer and not worth all of the baggage that comes with him? I'm sick off all the excuses made for him. He's chosen to ply his trade in England and he needs to realise that his comments are incendiary to a lot of people who live here, some of whom will have either served- or known people who have served- in the Armed Forces. Or maybe even known people killed by terrorists. Stoke as a club have recently been praised for their support of the British Armed Forces www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-armed-services-award-4985308.ampI've no issue with him not wearing a poppy- I'm Catholic with Irish heritage myself - but some of the stuff he comes out with would be called 'dog whistle bigotry' if that kind of vernacular was posted by other people online. Perhaps he should try being a tad more diplomatic with how he puts his point across?
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