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Post by everyoneneedsawhelan on Oct 27, 2020 22:03:48 GMT
Crazy that you’re singling him out, as you say he was poor tonight but nowhere near our worst player. At least he shows some ounce of desire when we’re losing. How is it singling him out to say he was terrible along with many others? It’s literally the ‘James McClean’ thread? You could have posted this in a general chat about the game but decided to put it here?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 27, 2020 22:08:16 GMT
How is it singling him out to say he was terrible along with many others? It’s literally the ‘James McClean’ thread? You could have posted this in a general chat about the game but decided to put it here? The thread is about James mclean and isn't a thread I started. I was actually defending him in some respects whilst acknowledging his obvious limitations. He was terrible along with many others. Was he the worst player on show? Sadly not!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 22:15:44 GMT
Hats off to him tonight, he got himself a deserved yellow for a bad challenge, then after getting clobbered he jumped back up when other players would have still been rolling around. I actually applauded that. If your going give shit then expect to receive it, and he did that and jumped up like a man. Probably the best thing from any stoke player tonight
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Post by tomcmod on Oct 27, 2020 22:22:32 GMT
Hats off to him tonight, he got himself a deserved yellow for a bad challenge, then after getting clobbered he jumped back up when other players would have still been rolling around. I actually applauded that. If your going give shit then expect to receive it, and he did that and jumped up like a man. Probably the best thing from any stoke player tonight That tackle he was on the end of was a bad one. These days I have seen reds given a lot, studs up taking his foot after the ball had gone and was over a foot off the ground. Could understand why McClean was incensed.
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 27, 2020 22:25:39 GMT
One of the few players tonight who actually tried to get us up the pitch and play the ball forwards.
Just a shame his crossing is abysmal.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2020 8:16:04 GMT
Hats off to him tonight, he got himself a deserved yellow for a bad challenge, then after getting clobbered he jumped back up when other players would have still been rolling around. I actually applauded that. If your going give shit then expect to receive it, and he did that and jumped up like a man. Probably the best thing from any stoke player tonight He jumped up to confront the player and could well have got himself a red if the player had reacted. Yes it was a bad challenge but so was Mclean's moments earlier and he confronted that player for lying on the floor causing a fracas for which he also would have been sent off for by another ref. He was an embarrassment to the team. That is not how I want my players to show passion. He needs to learn to control his temper. Minutes later he had a chance to play Tyrese in down the left but instead chose to lash the ball into the box himself to get rid of his frustration. If you can give me an example of anything he created last night I'd perhaps agree he was one of the better players but I can't remember one cross or corner that reached any Stoke player. Vokes is possibly justifiably lambasted elsewhere on here but was flanked by two players who did little more than run down the wings as fast as they could. If anything Vokes probably was more effective than either of them in the moments he chose to close the space down. There was no intelligence whatsoever in that front line.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 28, 2020 8:17:27 GMT
Hats off to him tonight, he got himself a deserved yellow for a bad challenge, then after getting clobbered he jumped back up when other players would have still been rolling around. I actually applauded that. If your going give shit then expect to receive it, and he did that and jumped up like a man. Probably the best thing from any stoke player tonight He jumped up to confront the player and could well have got himself a red if the player had reacted. Yes it was a bad challenge but so was Mclean's moments earlier and he confronted that player for lying on the floor causing a fracas for which he also would have been sent off for by another ref. He was an embarrassment to the team. That is not how I want my players to show passion. He needs to learn to control his temper. Minutes later he had a chance to play Tyrese in down the left but instead chose to lash the ball into the box himself to get rid of his frustration. If you can give me an example of anything he created last night I'd perhaps agree he was one of the better players but I can't remember one cross or corner that reached any Stoke player. Vokes is possibly justifiably lambasted elsewhere on here but was flanked by two players who did little more than run down the wings as fast as they could. If anything Vokes probably was more effective than either of them in the moments he chose to close the space down. There was no intelligence whatsoever in that front line. Awful last night but good on Saturday, yes? Showed that he does have some value.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2020 8:25:34 GMT
He jumped up to confront the player and could well have got himself a red if the player had reacted. Yes it was a bad challenge but so was Mclean's moments earlier and he confronted that player for lying on the floor causing a fracas for which he also would have been sent off for by another ref. He was an embarrassment to the team. That is not how I want my players to show passion. He needs to learn to control his temper. Minutes later he had a chance to play Tyrese in down the left but instead chose to lash the ball into the box himself to get rid of his frustration. If you can give me an example of anything he created last night I'd perhaps agree he was one of the better players but I can't remember one cross or corner that reached any Stoke player. Vokes is possibly justifiably lambasted elsewhere on here but was flanked by two players who did little more than run down the wings as fast as they could. If anything Vokes probably was more effective than either of them in the moments he chose to close the space down. There was no intelligence whatsoever in that front line. Awful last night but good on Saturday, yes? Showed that he does have some value. When he stays disciplined but last night he was a liability and should have gone off instead of Brown who at least stays in control of his temper if not the ball.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 9:08:00 GMT
Why is he so angry?
What was there to get mad about when he clattered their player? So unneccessary.
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2020 9:22:39 GMT
He jumped up to confront the player and could well have got himself a red if the player had reacted. Yes it was a bad challenge but so was Mclean's moments earlier and he confronted that player for lying on the floor causing a fracas for which he also would have been sent off for by another ref. He was an embarrassment to the team. That is not how I want my players to show passion. He needs to learn to control his temper. Minutes later he had a chance to play Tyrese in down the left but instead chose to lash the ball into the box himself to get rid of his frustration. If you can give me an example of anything he created last night I'd perhaps agree he was one of the better players but I can't remember one cross or corner that reached any Stoke player. Vokes is possibly justifiably lambasted elsewhere on here but was flanked by two players who did little more than run down the wings as fast as they could. If anything Vokes probably was more effective than either of them in the moments he chose to close the space down. There was no intelligence whatsoever in that front line. Awful last night but good on Saturday, yes? Showed that he does have some value. Not consistent like many bill him as though! H
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 28, 2020 9:30:48 GMT
Awful last night but good on Saturday, yes? Showed that he does have some value. Not consistent like many bill him as though! H Agreed, though on balance I think that for all his limitations we miss him when he doesn't play.
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 28, 2020 9:34:27 GMT
Not consistent like many bill him as though! H Agreed, though on balance I think that for all his limitations we miss him when he doesn't play. I agree. Not a LWB though. As a left winger hes limited but does get us driving up the pitch.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 28, 2020 9:39:32 GMT
Why is he so angry? What was there to get mad about when he clattered their player? So unnecessary. It's in his blood, and I'd be angry after that tackle!
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2020 9:46:04 GMT
Not consistent like many bill him as though! H Agreed, though on balance I think that for all his limitations we miss him when he doesn't play. Not at Luton, Villa and Millwall we didn't. If he was half as good as some seem to think he would be the first name on the team sheet regardless of rotation. Last night only proved that 100% bluster is not enough, and he wasn't our worst player on the night either. It's another one of these situations where people have painted themselves into a corner and refuse to believe their eyes because it hurts their ego when they are wrong. I'm as guilty as anyone for that. H
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 9:47:55 GMT
Why is he so angry? What was there to get mad about when he clattered their player? So unnecessary. It's in his blood, and I'd be angry after that tackle! The one he made? He was angry after kicking the fuck out of someone. It was one where walk off and take your booking. It was pathetic.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 28, 2020 9:49:28 GMT
Why is he so angry? What was there to get mad about when he clattered their player? So unneccessary. He clattered him because the player had been trying to get Gunn sent off because of his backpass handball. McClean was incensed at the time and clearly decided to make a point. He did it and then took the payback.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 28, 2020 9:51:40 GMT
When he's bad, he is very, very bad. Tonight he was terrible along with many others But at least he appears to care, rightly getting angry with some of the stuff around him and in his defence he played in 3 positions on the night
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 28, 2020 9:51:59 GMT
Agreed, though on balance I think that for all his limitations we miss him when he doesn't play. Not at Luton, Villa and Millwall we didn't. If he was half as good as some seem to think he would be the first name on the team sheet regardless of rotation. Last night only proved that 100% bluster is not enough, and he wasn't our worst player on the night either. It's another one of these situations where people have painted themselves into a corner and refuse to believe their eyes because it hurts their ego when they are wrong. I'm as guilty as anyone for that. H I think it's more than 100% bluster. In games where we need to get on the front foot he offers a bit of much needed propulsion. Brentford showed that and the good home form in the second half of last season did too. I don't think he's a world beater by any stretch and the second we have a viable upgrade I'd be more than happy to see him phased out, but pragmatically, I think the team's attacking play, at home at least, suffers for his absence.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 9:53:41 GMT
Why is he so angry? What was there to get mad about when he clattered their player? So unneccessary. He clattered him because the player had been trying to get Gunn sent off because of his backpass handball. McClean was incensed at the time and clearly decided to make a point. He did it and then took the payback. Oh right, interesting re the sending off. What are the rules? Still absolutely no need for it.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2020 9:54:20 GMT
It's in his blood, and I'd be angry after that tackle! The one he made? He was angry after kicking the fuck out of someone. It was one where walk off and take your booking. It was pathetic. Come on Bayern you've been around long enough to know some players get highly strung especially when things are not going well. It happens. You could just as easily commend him for the way he reacted to the tackle he was the end of, which if he had made a meal of it could very easily have been a red card. That was proper nasty. The same guy who scored 5 minutes later.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 9:58:03 GMT
The one he made? He was angry after kicking the fuck out of someone. It was one where walk off and take your booking. It was pathetic. Come on Bayern you've been around long enough to know some players get highly strung especially when things are not going well. It happens. You could just as easily commend him for the way he reacted to the tackle he was the end of, which if he had made a meal of it could very easily have been a red card. That was proper nasty. The same guy who scored 5 minutes later. It does but generally not after you've just leathered someone There was absolutely no need for it. I don't think it was a red tbh. Just another shit unneccessary tackle like McClean's.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 28, 2020 10:04:28 GMT
Come on Bayern you've been around long enough to know some players get highly strung especially when things are not going well. It happens. You could just as easily commend him for the way he reacted to the tackle he was the end of, which if he had made a meal of it could very easily have been a red card. That was proper nasty. The same guy who scored 5 minutes later. It does but generally not after you've just leathered someone There was absolutely no need for it. I don't think it was a red tbh. Just another shit unneccessary tackle like McClean's. I think its a bit too late for Anger Management Courses at this time in his career tbh
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 10:06:06 GMT
It does but generally not after you've just leathered someone There was absolutely no need for it. I don't think it was a red tbh. Just another shit unneccessary tackle like McClean's. I think its a bit too late for Anger Management Courses at this time in his career tbh very true.
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 28, 2020 10:30:58 GMT
Hats off to him tonight, he got himself a deserved yellow for a bad challenge, then after getting clobbered he jumped back up when other players would have still been rolling around. I actually applauded that. If your going give shit then expect to receive it, and he did that and jumped up like a man. Probably the best thing from any stoke player tonight That tackle he was on the end of was a bad one. These days I have seen reds given a lot, studs up taking his foot after the ball had gone and was over a foot off the ground. Could understand why McClean was incensed. The challenge on him another day could have been a red. I think the ref knows it was a retaliation tackle from McClean’s earlier challenge and I think the ref let it off.
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Post by RAF on Oct 28, 2020 10:48:51 GMT
That tackle he was on the end of was a bad one. These days I have seen reds given a lot, studs up taking his foot after the ball had gone and was over a foot off the ground. Could understand why McClean was incensed. The challenge on him another day could have been a red. I think the ref knows it was a retaliation tackle from McClean’s earlier challenge and I think the ref let it off. On another day McClean could have gone for his reckless challenge. It's swings and roundabouts. I've seen softer reds! H
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 28, 2020 12:18:25 GMT
He clattered him because the player had been trying to get Gunn sent off because of his backpass handball. McClean was incensed at the time and clearly decided to make a point. He did it and then took the payback. Oh right, interesting re the sending off. What are the rules? Still absolutely no need for it. Good question I don’t know the rules in that situation but Mariner kept shaking his head at the Swansea player in his ear
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2020 12:23:11 GMT
He seems to be more easily riled this season than ever before. Wasn't his sending off for Ireland similar in that he committed a bad foul then got angry with the player's reaction?
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2020 12:29:24 GMT
Why is he so angry? What was there to get mad about when he clattered their player? So unneccessary. He clattered him because the player had been trying to get Gunn sent off because of his backpass handball. McClean was incensed at the time and clearly decided to make a point. He did it and then took the payback. In what world is that acceptable? You cannot go around kicking players because they tried to get one of your team sent off. I know players do but they are usually quite subtle about it. The referee hadn't sent Gunn off so you accept it has happened and keep your cool. I am amazed to be honest that the referee didn't send him off or even talk to JOB about it as McLean was so out of control he could have seriously hurt someone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 28, 2020 12:44:16 GMT
Oh right, interesting re the sending off. What are the rules? Still absolutely no need for it. Good question I don’t know the rules in that situation but Mariner kept shaking his head at the Swansea player in his ear Yeah I did notice that because I started to get worried he would be sent off. No idea of what the actual rules are though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 14:04:08 GMT
Good question I don’t know the rules in that situation but Mariner kept shaking his head at the Swansea player in his ear Yeah I did notice that because I started to get worried he would be sent off. No idea of what the actual rules are though. I don't remember the actual incident (I dozed off at some points in the second half), but it sounds like violent conduct, such as when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball. You'd be extremely lucky if a referee only cautions, although some do, because this is clearly a red card offense.
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