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Post by scfc75 on Sept 23, 2020 9:39:49 GMT
Fletcher would benefit massively from having McClean on the pitch. People criticise his accuracy but he delivers plenty of balls into the box, and with Fletcher looking like a real handful he’d surely cause enough chaos to grab a few himself and/or create space for the likes of Clucas and Powell to profit.
Get James in the team, get Fletcher in the team and I think we’d see a huge improvement vs what we’ve seen so far.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 23, 2020 9:52:54 GMT
It's unclear how much value he's going to have to us until we know how wedded to the 3-5-2 MON is.
If he sticks with it, will McClean regularly play at wing-back ahead of Fox and Tymon?
If a back four is Plan B, how much of a Plan B is it? Half? A third of games? Or much fewer?
He'd still appear to be a nailed-on starter in that system, certainly until Verlinden is up to speed.
He'll probably play tonight.
But if we go with a back 3 again on Saturday and Fox and Tymon are preferred in the 18 ahead of him again, it will be interesting to see what happens next week with regards to him having conversations with his agent.
It was interesting that he was said to be a bit pissed off - and he doesn't seem to be one that stayed to watch the Bristol City game
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 23, 2020 9:55:40 GMT
Cash in if / while we can.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 23, 2020 10:03:13 GMT
Does O' Neill rate Verlinden though?. If so he's never wing back material is he?. Fox does not look as if he could go on the outside at all thus far, Tymon would surely push him for that role?.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 23, 2020 10:18:29 GMT
At the moment he is the best wide left forward option we have. Tymon looks happiest coming from left of a midfield three and running beyond and Clucas is the same. Not convinced Ince offers as much. With Brown right and McClean left we should be able to stretch teams and use Fletcher’s strengths. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t sell him but we would need to replace him.
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2020 11:13:20 GMT
It's unclear how much value he's going to have to us until we know how wedded to the 3-5-2 MON is. If he sticks with it, will McClean regularly play at wing-back ahead of Fox and Tymon? If a back four is Plan B, how much of a Plan B is it? Half? A third of games? Or much fewer? He'd still appear to be a nailed-on starter in that system, certainly until Verlinden is up to speed. He'll probably play tonight. But if we go with a back 3 again on Saturday and Fox and Tymon are preferred in the 18 ahead of him again, it will be interesting to see what happens next week with regards to him having conversations with his agent. It was interesting that he was said to be a bit pissed off - and he doesn't seem to be one that stayed to watch the Bristol City game I don't think ONeill is wedded to any one formation
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2020 11:14:43 GMT
Does O' Neill rate Verlinden though?. If so he's never wing back material is he?. Fox does not look as if he could go on the outside at all thus far, Tymon would surely push him for that role?. Verlinden is very much a winger, either side of the pitch In the long run its possible that he could play as an inside forward/No 10 but you are right he's never a wingback
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Post by logdog on Sept 23, 2020 11:21:06 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 23, 2020 11:21:11 GMT
It's unclear how much value he's going to have to us until we know how wedded to the 3-5-2 MON is. If he sticks with it, will McClean regularly play at wing-back ahead of Fox and Tymon? If a back four is Plan B, how much of a Plan B is it? Half? A third of games? Or much fewer? He'd still appear to be a nailed-on starter in that system, certainly until Verlinden is up to speed. He'll probably play tonight. But if we go with a back 3 again on Saturday and Fox and Tymon are preferred in the 18 ahead of him again, it will be interesting to see what happens next week with regards to him having conversations with his agent. It was interesting that he was said to be a bit pissed off - and he doesn't seem to be one that stayed to watch the Bristol City game I don't think ONeill is wedded to any one formation We'll see! He at least seems engaged to this one at this point. And that isn't good news for McClean
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2020 11:22:46 GMT
I don't think ONeill is wedded to any one formation We'll see! He at least seems engaged to this one at this point. And that isn't good news for McClean He's playing wing backs at the moment sure He's not Jones who goes into full on tinker mode from game to the next however would expect a different set up sooner rather than later.
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Post by karl on Sept 23, 2020 11:25:48 GMT
Any truth that he walked out of the stadium last game?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 23, 2020 11:29:08 GMT
Any truth that he walked out of the stadium last game? Sounds like he was unhappy enough not to bother watching the game - but don't suppose that's particularly unusual. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-celtic-transfer-james-mcclean-4539065McClean did not look particularly happy after completing his pre-match fitness work before kick-off on Sunday, knowing that he was not going to be involved.
But O'Neill doesn't mind an angry reaction as long as a player takes their next chance to grab a shirt.
O'Neill said: "I can't control a player's mood. It's not my job to make a player happy, it's their job to make me happy!
"That's the equation that we're looking for in all of this here. It's dead easy for me: you come in, work hard, train hard, try to get in the team. That's the environment we want to create at the club.
"Players all react in different ways if they're left out, of course they do, but the most important thing is that when they are given the opportunity, they take it."
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Post by logdog on Sept 23, 2020 11:33:08 GMT
Any truth that he walked out of the stadium last game? Sounds like he was unhappy enough not to bother watching the game - but don't suppose that's particularly unusual. Maybe that’s when he got his ‘hand injury’. 😜
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 11:57:08 GMT
he's had a swollen knee which was limiting his training. Bump into him and/or his wife quite often as we eat in the same place regularly but obviously not for a while
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:07:33 GMT
Any truth that he walked out of the stadium last game? Sounds like he was unhappy enough not to bother watching the game - but don't suppose that's particularly unusual. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-celtic-transfer-james-mcclean-4539065McClean did not look particularly happy after completing his pre-match fitness work before kick-off on Sunday, knowing that he was not going to be involved.
But O'Neill doesn't mind an angry reaction as long as a player takes their next chance to grab a shirt.
O'Neill said: "I can't control a player's mood. It's not my job to make a player happy, it's their job to make me happy!
"That's the equation that we're looking for in all of this here. It's dead easy for me: you come in, work hard, train hard, try to get in the team. That's the environment we want to create at the club.
"Players all react in different ways if they're left out, of course they do, but the most important thing is that when they are given the opportunity, they take it."I like that quote I'll be honest. No pandering to players, no bullshit, just train well and you'll get your chance.....
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Post by questionable on Sept 23, 2020 12:27:47 GMT
Any truth that he walked out of the stadium last game? Sounds like he was unhappy enough not to bother watching the game - but don't suppose that's particularly unusual. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-celtic-transfer-james-mcclean-4539065McClean did not look particularly happy after completing his pre-match fitness work before kick-off on Sunday, knowing that he was not going to be involved.
But O'Neill doesn't mind an angry reaction as long as a player takes their next chance to grab a shirt.
O'Neill said: "I can't control a player's mood. It's not my job to make a player happy, it's their job to make me happy!
"That's the equation that we're looking for in all of this here. It's dead easy for me: you come in, work hard, train hard, try to get in the team. That's the environment we want to create at the club.
"Players all react in different ways if they're left out, of course they do, but the most important thing is that when they are given the opportunity, they take it."As much as I think that he’s a very limited player he’s head and shoulders above the likes of Vokes/Batth/BMI who get to start when we have better options. MON doesn’t help himself by serving up crap starting 11’s, baffling formations and a total lack of tactical know how, totally out thought on Sunday with a glaring ineptness of a plan b. Going down the same road I’m afraid, shit tactics, players alienated, lack of goals, lack of creativity, no pace, inevitable mistakes at the back, favorites started, An older version of Rowette and as barmy as Jones, certainly not a big improvement on his predecessors
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Post by fulagoals on Sept 23, 2020 13:13:03 GMT
Sounds like he was unhappy enough not to bother watching the game - but don't suppose that's particularly unusual. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-celtic-transfer-james-mcclean-4539065McClean did not look particularly happy after completing his pre-match fitness work before kick-off on Sunday, knowing that he was not going to be involved.
But O'Neill doesn't mind an angry reaction as long as a player takes their next chance to grab a shirt.
O'Neill said: "I can't control a player's mood. It's not my job to make a player happy, it's their job to make me happy!
"That's the equation that we're looking for in all of this here. It's dead easy for me: you come in, work hard, train hard, try to get in the team. That's the environment we want to create at the club.
"Players all react in different ways if they're left out, of course they do, but the most important thing is that when they are given the opportunity, they take it."As much as I think that he’s a very limited player he’s head and shoulders above the likes of Vokes/Batth/BMI who get to start when we have better options. MON doesn’t help himself by serving up crap starting 11’s, baffling formations and a total lack of tactical know how, totally out thought on Sunday with a glaring ineptness of a plan b. Going down the same road I’m afraid, shit tactics, players alienated, lack of goals, lack of creativity, no pace, inevitable mistakes at the back, favorites started, An older version of Rowette and as barmy as Jones, certainly not a big improvement on his predecessors Very questionable I’d say! Did you say/think that 3 League games ago?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 13:17:18 GMT
Does O' Neill rate Verlinden though?. If so he's never wing back material is he?. Fox does not look as if he could go on the outside at all thus far, Tymon would surely push him for that role?. Verlinden is very much a winger, either side of the pitch In the long run its possible that he could play as an inside forward/No 10 but you are right he's never a wingback I wouldn't say never. His strength is undoubtedly his speed and skill going forward, but he wouldn't be the first wide man in history to play deeper later in his career. We don't really know his defensive abilities since he's never been tried in that role.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 23, 2020 13:21:41 GMT
Being unhappy at being left out is a good sign
Start worrying when players are not bothered.
McClean is type of player who wants to be involved, & that was very important for us last season.
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Post by boothenender on Sept 23, 2020 14:02:18 GMT
Has he gone yet ??? McLean was awarded player of the season during 2019/2020. The reason being was because James McLean was the best of a bad bunch. If he is not happy at Stoke and another club come calling then cash in and let him be on his merry way. He is no different to any other player at any club in the country. He is, as are all Employees at any firm easy to replace. Also he brings a lot of baggage with him. Very disruptive for team and fans. I have stated previously that his and my politics clash, I will miss him as much as he will miss me. Not a tiny teeny bit. Celtic are his dream club and who can blame him for wanted to play for his bhoyhood team. Cheerio James..... Don't let the door hit you on the back of your head on the way out.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 23, 2020 14:28:57 GMT
We have had enough players who couldn't be arsed. Thank you very much.
That's exactly why we are where we are.
McClean is certainly not one of them.
I'm amazed people cant appreciate that much!!!
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Post by logdog on Sept 23, 2020 14:50:39 GMT
he's had a swollen knee which was limiting his training. Bump into him and/or his wife quite often as we eat in the same place regularly but obviously not for a while O’Neill’s saying hand injury.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 15:37:50 GMT
he's had a swollen knee which was limiting his training. Bump into him and/or his wife quite often as we eat in the same place regularly but obviously not for a while O’Neill’s saying hand injury. Yep saw that but has had a knee problem for a few weeks
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Post by logdog on Sept 23, 2020 15:45:36 GMT
O’Neill’s saying hand injury. Yep saw that but has had a knee problem for a few weeks That’s interesting. Wonder what’s with the smoke & mirrors, then?🤔
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 23, 2020 17:03:23 GMT
I know he was player of the year last season and unlike some others he clearly gives a shit
That said, I still think we massively overpaid for him and wouldn't be that arsed if he left
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 17:48:38 GMT
Has he gone yet ??? McLean was awarded player of the season during 2019/2020. The reason being was because James McLean was the best of a bad bunch. If he is not happy at Stoke and another club come calling then cash in and let him be on his merry way. He is no different to any other player at any club in the country. He is, as are all Employees at any firm easy to replace. Also he brings a lot of baggage with him. Very disruptive for team and fans. I have stated previously that his and my politics clash, I will miss him as much as he will miss me. Not a tiny teeny bit. Celtic are his dream club and who can blame him for wanted to play for his bhoyhood team. Cheerio James..... Don't let the door hit you on the back of your head on the way out. Yes he's gone which is why not reported anywhere and he's playing tonight and when did he say he wasn't happy at Stoke? how is he disruptive for the he team ?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 23, 2020 17:51:02 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 23, 2020 19:54:50 GMT
Thought he and Smith were easily the worst players tonight.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 23, 2020 19:58:40 GMT
I thought McClean played well. Most attacks went down the left and he really made a nuisance of himself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 20:02:35 GMT
I’m trying to think what he did that was any good tonight. He was back to his hit and hope crossing. For me the player who looked like he had a touch of class was Tymon. The lad outshone Maclean in every department
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