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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 22, 2020 14:17:19 GMT
Not exactly a 'hands off' www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-live-4536973No James McClean in first two league games, whispers of a move to Celtic - do you want to put that to bed?MON: I think that’s probably just a rumour that’s been created by someone - and it certainly hasn’t come from our end. James isn’t a player, equally, that we are looking to lose at this minute in time. The nature of the transfer window is such that you have to be flexible and if any situation arises with any player you have to give it consideration, particularly where we are at this minute in time. We have to obviously deal with the rules of Financial Fair Play and deal with too a squad which is bloated. James is no different from any other player in the squad and if the situation arose we’d have to consider it but at this minute in time, I think that would be highly unlikely. Depending where we look like ending up financially near the end of the window, it might become a "come and get me".
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Could actually see Mince going there too.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 22, 2020 14:22:28 GMT
Not exactly a 'hands off' www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-live-4536973No James McClean in first two league games, whispers of a move to Celtic - do you want to put that to bed?MON: I think that’s probably just a rumour that’s been created by someone - and it certainly hasn’t come from our end. James isn’t a player, equally, that we are looking to lose at this minute in time. The nature of the transfer window is such that you have to be flexible and if any situation arises with any player you have to give it consideration, particularly where we are at this minute in time. We have to obviously deal with the rules of Financial Fair Play and deal with too a squad which is bloated. James is no different from any other player in the squad and if the situation arose we’d have to consider it but at this minute in time, I think that would be highly unlikely. Depending where we look like ending up financially near the end of the window, it might become a "come and get me".
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Could actually see Mince going there too.Ince? Stalybridge Celtic more like😳
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2020 14:26:50 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 22, 2020 14:47:23 GMT
7 Mill for McCLean and if they take ince 6mill the pair
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Post by salfordstokie on Sept 22, 2020 14:57:13 GMT
It would be a blow to lose McClean. To sell last seasons best player and try and claim that we are aiming for promotion is very contradictory. He is exactly the sort of player we need to keep, but reading between the lines it sounds like Stoke arent in a position to reject a serious offer. Dont think MON will have much say in this one.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 22, 2020 15:03:24 GMT
I'd certainly take £3-4M for MCClean as I think Tymon could do a better job, and with Verlinden coming back as well I think that would be the right thing to do.
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Post by westgatelakes on Sept 22, 2020 15:07:01 GMT
Last seasons player of the year or not, apart from lots of energy, effort and excellent fitness, he isn`t a particularly good footballer - no right foot, can`t dribble, terrible at crossing and can`t shoot - all basics for a left footed winger at championship level ! Hope the rumour is true.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2020 15:07:05 GMT
At 31, realistically, I think the chances of anyone offering us an unturndownable amount for him are very low.
But he's got 2 yrs left on what no doubt is a very good Championship wage, so you can see why we'd consider any deal of a few mill?
And, if we're going to play with wing-backs - and we think he's the third pick there, why wouldn't you?
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 22, 2020 15:11:05 GMT
Offer them a free cuddly Wimmer with every purchase (Loan not being an option!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 15:27:29 GMT
Between McClean and Ince...
...well at least there is a club wanting McClean.
Ince... 😅😅😅
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Post by RAF on Sept 22, 2020 15:43:07 GMT
I wouldn't mention McClean in the same sentence as Ince. As limited as he is McClean quite clearly gives a fuck. Ince on the other hand has talent but absolutely no fucks. He's the new Kenwyne Jones. And there are kids out there that would give their right testicle to be in his place! If I had the choice Ince would be first out of the door. Shame no fucker wants him.
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Post by stantheman on Sept 22, 2020 19:41:54 GMT
I wouldn't mention McClean in the same sentence as Ince. As limited as he is McClean quite clearly gives a fuck. Ince on the other hand has talent but absolutely no fucks. He's the new Kenwyne Jones. And there are kids out there that would give their right testicle to be in his place! If I had the choice Ince would be first out of the door. Shame no fucker wants him. H 100% agree, which is why JM shouldnt be sold.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 22, 2020 19:50:05 GMT
I wouldn't mention McClean in the same sentence as Ince. As limited as he is McClean quite clearly gives a fuck. Ince on the other hand has talent but absolutely no fucks. He's the new Kenwyne Jones. And there are kids out there that would give their right testicle to be in his place! If I had the choice Ince would be first out of the door. Shame no fucker wants him. H That’s a pretty damning assessment on Ince when you’re rating Jimmy McC above him 🤣
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Post by wherty on Sept 22, 2020 20:12:30 GMT
Last seasons player of the year or not, apart from lots of energy, effort and excellent fitness, he isn`t a particularly good footballer - no right foot, can`t dribble, terrible at crossing and can`t shoot - all basics for a left footed winger at championship level ! Hope the rumour is true. Yet he's made 300 or so appearances in the Premier league so he can't be that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 20:29:49 GMT
Last seasons player of the year or not, apart from lots of energy, effort and excellent fitness, he isn`t a particularly good footballer - no right foot, can`t dribble, terrible at crossing and can`t shoot - all basics for a left footed winger at championship level ! Hope the rumour is true. Yet he's made 300 or so appearances in the Premier league so he can't be that bad. He hasn't done that, A lot of those games were in lower divisions.
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2020 20:32:03 GMT
Yet he's made 300 or so appearances in the Premier league so he can't be that bad. He hasn't done that, A lot of those games were in lower divisions. From what I can make it out he's played 200 games in the Premier League
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 22, 2020 20:38:09 GMT
I think it’s clear from those comments that MON is preparing to move him on. Perhaps with the emergence of Tymon and Verlinden returning to fitness he’s happy to shift his wages off the payroll and give the two youngsters a chance?
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 22, 2020 21:09:46 GMT
Not exactly a 'hands off' www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-live-4536973No James McClean in first two league games, whispers of a move to Celtic - do you want to put that to bed?MON: I think that’s probably just a rumour that’s been created by someone - and it certainly hasn’t come from our end. James isn’t a player, equally, that we are looking to lose at this minute in time. The nature of the transfer window is such that you have to be flexible and if any situation arises with any player you have to give it consideration, particularly where we are at this minute in time. We have to obviously deal with the rules of Financial Fair Play and deal with too a squad which is bloated. James is no different from any other player in the squad and if the situation arose we’d have to consider it but at this minute in time, I think that would be highly unlikely. Depending where we look like ending up financially near the end of the window, it might become a "come and get me".
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Could actually see Mince going there too.Pissing myself at “mince” name ...totally brilliant 😀👍
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 21:10:48 GMT
Him and celtic deserve each other.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 22, 2020 21:12:34 GMT
31, two years left on his contract, what do we reckon ... £2.5 mil?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 22, 2020 21:18:26 GMT
I’ll say it now selling JM would be a ridiculously bad decision up there with our very worst
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2020 21:22:06 GMT
31, two years left on his contract, what do we reckon ... £2.5 mil? Yeah - I'd guess at £2-£2.5m and we'd have a decision to make, especially with his £25-30k-a-week wages. But bit of a struggle to see who'd pay even that in this environment. The Celtic rumour seems to be entirely the product of the fact he hasn't been in our 18 and that he's a bit of a cult figure at Celtic. Lennon's playing 3-5-2 too - so hard to see where he'd fit
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 22, 2020 21:27:31 GMT
31, two years left on his contract, what do we reckon ... £2.5 mil? Yeah - I'd guess at £2-£2.5m and we'd have a decision to make, especially with his £25-30k-a-week wages. But bit of a struggle to see who'd pay even that in this environment. The Celtic rumour seems to be entirely the product of the fact he hasn't been in our 18 and that he's a bit of a cult figure at Celtic. Lennon's playing 3-5-2 too - so hard to see where he'd fit If it is true, then I think it'd be a good deal for all parties involved.
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Post by rorystowel on Sept 22, 2020 21:31:59 GMT
We’ve scored one goal this season and JM had a major hand in it. Bin the 3-5-2 and get Jimmy Mac back in the first team squad, MON.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 22, 2020 22:00:30 GMT
Yeah - I'd guess at £2-£2.5m and we'd have a decision to make, especially with his £25-30k-a-week wages. But bit of a struggle to see who'd pay even that in this environment. The Celtic rumour seems to be entirely the product of the fact he hasn't been in our 18 and that he's a bit of a cult figure at Celtic. Lennon's playing 3-5-2 too - so hard to see where he'd fit If it is true, then I think it'd be a good deal for all parties involved. It's only good if we replace him with someone better. His stats for last season were very impressive given he was played out of position for a proportion of the season and had an injury. We cant afford to have anyone who cant at least match those stats. Tymon's had 2 or 3 half decent sub appearances and suddenly he is the new Messi. We need to see much more evidence that he can do it on a regular basis imho. Verlinden looks like potential but again he has not proved himself at this level yet and will take time to recover properly. Do we have the luxury of pinning our hopes on the untested.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 22, 2020 22:17:52 GMT
Macca is the sort of player we need to get out of this division, gives his all, keeps fighting and battling, he plays the ball down the wing, .goes..deep, then puts cross int the box ...which our better strikers can get on the end of ..( because they’re hovering in the right area in or around the box) And then they in turn direct the ball towards the back of the net between the white posts ...not over the posts or the back of the Boothen ..hopefully they will avoid smashing it at the Opposition goalie.....and go for gaps ..
Macca can even get the ball past the pesky first defender, who often in the past has acted as some sort of ruddy ball magnet, rendering a lot of our players unable to get the ball high enough to go over them, instead causing our players to strike the ball at them ..( this used to often happen to us at corners too ..)
So personally I hope Macca stays ..we need him .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 8:32:08 GMT
I think it’s clear from those comments that MON is preparing to move him on. Perhaps with the emergence of Tymon and Verlinden returning to fitness he’s happy to shift his wages off the payroll and give the two youngsters a chance? It's clear from O'Neill's league team selections and statements that he's extremely reluctant to give regular places to youngsters. He's happy to play them in non league games, where the risk is low, or to give them the odd game when needs be, but nine months into his stewardship no single academy player has established himself in the team. The closest is Campbell, but O'Neill blows hot and cold on him, recently dropping him after just one game. Tymon may have "emerged", but he's still not a player that O'Neill is willing to pick from the start of a league game. So I would think it highly unlikely that he is thinking of selling McClean in his prime, unless his hand is forced. So why did he drop him. I don't know, but it might be a case of McClean possibly having lost his grounding with his relative success he's come to believe he's an actual star footballer. He trained poorly after the break, and against Blackpool, played as a wingback, he apparently thought it below him to do the defensive duties (something he's always done before) of that role, forcing Bruno to do it for him. O'Neill will have felt a need for McClean to be re-grounded and telling him that he is not an automatic choice. If true it's something that can relatively easy be settled. Have him run many miles without a ball in training and he'll soon be back running many miles on the wing with a ball. The quality of the running is always up for discussion, and my view is very clear. We would be a so much better footballing team without him, provided of course we replace him with a real footballer, such as Verlinden. So please do sell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 9:26:19 GMT
It's only good if we replace him with someone better. His stats for last season were very impressive given he was played out of position for a proportion of the season and had an injury. We cant afford to have anyone who cant at least match those stats. Tymon's had 2 or 3 half decent sub appearances and suddenly he is the new Messi. We need to see much more evidence that he can do it on a regular basis imho. That is going too bleeding far . However, when both players hang up their boots, Tymon will have done what Messi never did, proved that he could do it on a wet, windy Tuesday night at the Stoke stadium...
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Post by Gods on Sept 23, 2020 9:33:58 GMT
We haven't many players for whom anyone would pay a fee let alone match their wage but Macca is one of them.
That tells you all you need to know about whether we are better off with him or without him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 23, 2020 9:37:47 GMT
We haven't many players for whom anyone would pay a fee let alone match their wage but Macca is one of them. That tells you all you need to know about whether we are better off with him or without him. Suppose time will tell if that's the case. I'm not 100% sure it is given his age and the way we were chucking money about in that first season after relegation. No doubt his salary is really top-end for this league Agree on the general premise though.
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