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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 9:25:37 GMT
Gareth McAuley on James McClean claiming he is the most abused footballer in England: "James is not being singled out because he is Irish.Thousands of Irish players over the years have been welcomed into the professional game in England.It's James' actions, decisions and outbursts that have turned football fans, even from the clubs he plays for, against him." "But I can also understand why people view it as a complete slap in the face to the war dead, who fought so valiantly to give us all a future.James has aligned himself with political figures and a party who fully endorsed the IRA. People in England do not easily forget the IRA's bombing campaign on the mainland and the terrible loss of innocent life. It was not helped when he proudly dressed up on Instagram in a balaclava to home school his kids. Joke or not, it was seriously insensitive.Then there was the time on a West Brom tour to the United States when James made sure he had his back turned to the Union Jack and subsequently the Stars and Stripes. It was noted by proud Baggies fans and not forgotten. Yet another sign of disrespect. James often points out that no one in the game stands up for him or affords him support, but he was offered help by the FA during his time at West Brom and refused to engage with football's governing body because he said they hadn't helped him out quickly enough in the past.At times, he really doesn't help himself.James could easily have voiced his support for the Black Lives Matter sentiment and left it at that. Let others rally behind him.But I would also ask, what was he again doing on social media when he was banned by the club following his balaclava antics at the start of lockdown? Yet another sign of disrespect and another McClean headache Stoke manager Michael O'Neill could have done without during this turbulent time." "James is only 31, he would still have a few good years left in his career, but I fear with all the baggage and propaganda that comes with him, he may be untouchable.Clubs with so many other options now just don't want the stress and trouble of having a James McClean in their ranks.His actions over the years prove he is always likely to court controversy. As a club chairman, manager or even captain, you would just be dreading the next time he goes off. And too often his actions have backfired spectacularly..." Sums it up for me. So, thanks for running around a lot yesterday Jimmy (I'll overlook the penalty you nearly gave away as we won and I'm easily pleased after four years of utter bobbins) but your 'talents' could be replaced for a fraction of the fee/wages/off-field mither by scouting the Latvian Virsliga. And you can wear all the balaclavas you want north of the border as you run Hamilton Accies ragged. Isn’t that Northern Irelander talking about Southern Irelander? Not sure we should take any notice of itt
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 10:01:55 GMT
Gareth McAuley on James McClean claiming he is the most abused footballer in England: "James is not being singled out because he is Irish.Thousands of Irish players over the years have been welcomed into the professional game in England.It's James' actions, decisions and outbursts that have turned football fans, even from the clubs he plays for, against him." "But I can also understand why people view it as a complete slap in the face to the war dead, who fought so valiantly to give us all a future.James has aligned himself with political figures and a party who fully endorsed the IRA. People in England do not easily forget the IRA's bombing campaign on the mainland and the terrible loss of innocent life. It was not helped when he proudly dressed up on Instagram in a balaclava to home school his kids. Joke or not, it was seriously insensitive.Then there was the time on a West Brom tour to the United States when James made sure he had his back turned to the Union Jack and subsequently the Stars and Stripes. It was noted by proud Baggies fans and not forgotten. Yet another sign of disrespect. James often points out that no one in the game stands up for him or affords him support, but he was offered help by the FA during his time at West Brom and refused to engage with football's governing body because he said they hadn't helped him out quickly enough in the past.At times, he really doesn't help himself.James could easily have voiced his support for the Black Lives Matter sentiment and left it at that. Let others rally behind him.But I would also ask, what was he again doing on social media when he was banned by the club following his balaclava antics at the start of lockdown? Yet another sign of disrespect and another McClean headache Stoke manager Michael O'Neill could have done without during this turbulent time." "James is only 31, he would still have a few good years left in his career, but I fear with all the baggage and propaganda that comes with him, he may be untouchable.Clubs with so many other options now just don't want the stress and trouble of having a James McClean in their ranks.His actions over the years prove he is always likely to court controversy. As a club chairman, manager or even captain, you would just be dreading the next time he goes off. And too often his actions have backfired spectacularly..." Sums it up for me. So, thanks for running around a lot yesterday Jimmy (I'll overlook the penalty you nearly gave away as we won and I'm easily pleased after four years of utter bobbins) but your 'talents' could be replaced for a fraction of the fee/wages/off-field mither by scouting the Latvian Virsliga. And you can wear all the balaclavas you want north of the border as you run Hamilton Accies ragged. He’s completely entitled to turn his back on the flags? Just because he’s become a voice for his own issue, it also doesn’t mean he is compelled to be one for BLM, it’s not like he opposed it. As for the rest? Damaged goods? Please, he’s our best player and he’ll probably retire here tbh.
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Post by murphthesurf on Aug 20, 2020 11:36:50 GMT
McClean should be the first name on the team sheet, the likes of Edwards need take a leaf out of McCleans book and sort himself out. Well said that man. I'm massively impressed with James.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 11:45:28 GMT
Gareth McAuley on James McClean claiming he is the most abused footballer in England: "James is not being singled out because he is Irish.Thousands of Irish players over the years have been welcomed into the professional game in England.It's James' actions, decisions and outbursts that have turned football fans, even from the clubs he plays for, against him." "But I can also understand why people view it as a complete slap in the face to the war dead, who fought so valiantly to give us all a future.James has aligned himself with political figures and a party who fully endorsed the IRA. People in England do not easily forget the IRA's bombing campaign on the mainland and the terrible loss of innocent life. It was not helped when he proudly dressed up on Instagram in a balaclava to home school his kids. Joke or not, it was seriously insensitive.Then there was the time on a West Brom tour to the United States when James made sure he had his back turned to the Union Jack and subsequently the Stars and Stripes. It was noted by proud Baggies fans and not forgotten. Yet another sign of disrespect. James often points out that no one in the game stands up for him or affords him support, but he was offered help by the FA during his time at West Brom and refused to engage with football's governing body because he said they hadn't helped him out quickly enough in the past.At times, he really doesn't help himself.James could easily have voiced his support for the Black Lives Matter sentiment and left it at that. Let others rally behind him.But I would also ask, what was he again doing on social media when he was banned by the club following his balaclava antics at the start of lockdown? Yet another sign of disrespect and another McClean headache Stoke manager Michael O'Neill could have done without during this turbulent time." "James is only 31, he would still have a few good years left in his career, but I fear with all the baggage and propaganda that comes with him, he may be untouchable.Clubs with so many other options now just don't want the stress and trouble of having a James McClean in their ranks.His actions over the years prove he is always likely to court controversy. As a club chairman, manager or even captain, you would just be dreading the next time he goes off. And too often his actions have backfired spectacularly..." Sums it up for me. So, thanks for running around a lot yesterday Jimmy (I'll overlook the penalty you nearly gave away as we won and I'm easily pleased after four years of utter bobbins) but your 'talents' could be replaced for a fraction of the fee/wages/off-field mither by scouting the Latvian Virsliga. And you can wear all the balaclavas you want north of the border as you run Hamilton Accies ragged. Isn’t that Northern Irelander talking about Southern Irelander? Not sure we should take any notice of itt I take it that isn't a serious comment Just wow
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 12:26:30 GMT
One of very few players to come out of last season with any credit on the field, and all we do is knock him. It would help if he became a footballer...
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 20, 2020 13:37:10 GMT
One of very few players to come out of last season with any credit on the field, and all we do is knock him. It would help if he became a footballer... He's a limited player. I suspect he knows that. And as Dirty Harry Callahan noted, "I like a man who knows his limitations". However, what would really help is if the rest of the squad, especially those who have more talent, put in the same effort as him.
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Post by ursemboys on Aug 20, 2020 14:35:57 GMT
One of very few players to come out of last season with any credit on the field, and all we do is knock him. It would help if he became a footballer... Well considering you think he aint a footballer he aint done to bad has he, most of his career in the prem and represented his country countless times. First name on the sheet every week .
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 20, 2020 14:37:38 GMT
It would help if he became a footballer... Well considering you think he aint a footballer he aint done to bad has he, most of his career in the prem and represented his country countless times. First name on the sheet every week . Don't argue with the experts!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 20, 2020 15:23:22 GMT
[/quote]He’s completely entitled to turn his back on the flags? Just because he’s become a voice for his own issue, it also doesn’t mean he is compelled to be one for BLM, it’s not like he opposed it. As for the rest? Damaged goods? Please, he’s our best player and he’ll probably retire here tbh. [/quote]
Indeed he is, but he didn't actually turn his back on any flags. He didn't turn 90 deg to face the stars and stripes during the anthems as the other players did and continued to face the main stand. But why on earth was the british national anthem being played at a club friendly in the USA in the first place ? WBA were not representing the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 16:30:59 GMT
It would help if he became a footballer... He's a limited player. I suspect he knows that. And as Dirty Harry Callahan noted, "I like a man who knows his limitations". However, what would really help is if the rest of the squad, especially those who have more talent, put in the same effort as him. I think those in the team do. One man couldn't have saved us alone. It was a team effort, once we dropped those that don't put in an effort, like Ince.
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Post by bolders on Aug 20, 2020 16:38:36 GMT
He’s completely entitled to turn his back on the flags? Just because he’s become a voice for his own issue, it also doesn’t mean he is compelled to be one for BLM, it’s not like he opposed it. As for the rest? Damaged goods? Please, he’s our best player and he’ll probably retire here tbh. [/quote] Indeed he is, but he didn't actually turn his back on any flags. He didn't turn 90 deg to face the stars and stripes during the anthems as the other players did and continued to face the main stand. But why on earth was the british national anthem being played at a club friendly in the USA in the first place ? WBA were not representing the UK. [/quote] Just a stupid american thing they do at sporting events gotta ram that flag down their throat as much as they can to remind them they are 'free'
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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 20, 2020 17:09:19 GMT
Christ, if that's his best, I'd hate to see his worst. I think he did well personally, usually a player's performance coincides with his teams. When the team looked dead and buried it was McLean who battled on and pushed us forward. With better team performances I would definitely expect him to bag more goals and assists. Objectively, I don't think he's nearly as bad as people make him out to be. His crossing seems to have improved towards the end of the season and the Championship crossing statistics reflect that. I do think people let his politics affect their judgement of him as a player though. I actually don't let his political beliefs cloud my judgement. I think he's toss, makes a lot of mistakes and most crosses he makes often don't fall anywhere near a Stoke player. The fact we are praising him as our best player truly shows how far we've fallen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 17:27:24 GMT
I think he did well personally, usually a player's performance coincides with his teams. When the team looked dead and buried it was McLean who battled on and pushed us forward. With better team performances I would definitely expect him to bag more goals and assists. Objectively, I don't think he's nearly as bad as people make him out to be. His crossing seems to have improved towards the end of the season and the Championship crossing statistics reflect that. I do think people let his politics affect their judgement of him as a player though. I actually don't let his political beliefs cloud my judgement. I think he's toss, makes a lot of mistakes and most crosses he makes often don't fall anywhere near a Stoke player. The fact we are praising him as our best player truly shows how far we've fallen.Last weeks end of season stats prove you to be 100% wrong on that as he had the most crosses in the entire league find team mates. Might not be his political beliefs but is something else then as the facts don't lie
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 20, 2020 17:47:37 GMT
I think he did well personally, usually a player's performance coincides with his teams. When the team looked dead and buried it was McLean who battled on and pushed us forward. With better team performances I would definitely expect him to bag more goals and assists. Objectively, I don't think he's nearly as bad as people make him out to be. His crossing seems to have improved towards the end of the season and the Championship crossing statistics reflect that. I do think people let his politics affect their judgement of him as a player though. I actually don't let his political beliefs cloud my judgement. I think he's toss, makes a lot of mistakes and most crosses he makes often don't fall anywhere near a Stoke player. The fact we are praising him as our best player truly shows how far we've fallen. Even if he is toss, and even if he does make a lot of mistakes (he does), and even if the stats mentioned above are wrong (which I doubt), and even if it is an indication of how far we have fallen (which I agree it is), that doesn't mean he has not been our best player.
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Post by dudnostokie on Aug 20, 2020 18:18:36 GMT
I think he did well personally, usually a player's performance coincides with his teams. When the team looked dead and buried it was McLean who battled on and pushed us forward. With better team performances I would definitely expect him to bag more goals and assists. Objectively, I don't think he's nearly as bad as people make him out to be. His crossing seems to have improved towards the end of the season and the Championship crossing statistics reflect that. I do think people let his politics affect their judgement of him as a player though. I actually don't let his political beliefs cloud my judgement. I think he's toss, makes a lot of mistakes and most crosses he makes often don't fall anywhere near a Stoke player. The fact we are praising him as our best player truly shows how far we've fallen. I actually don't let his political beliefs cloud my judgement. [/quote] Fair enough, I'm trying to get to the bottom of why you think that he's toss though? When he was forced to play left back I would agree that he was poor and teams would target him on the left side. In his preferred position however he has chipped in with 7 goals (4 behind our top scorer), and 7 assists. He's also had the highest amount of crosses to teammates in the whole division last season. He will always look to take on his man, and will succeed the majority of the time. He has a great work ethic and will always track back to help out our left back. He's a hard fucker who must be horrible to play against. His passing can sometimes be a little erratic, and I admit his crossing earlier in the season was questionable but I think with better team performances we will see an even better McLean next season. I do feel that he gets an awful wrap by some posters on here, who are a little stuck in their ways and plainly don't like the lad. So yeah, why do you think he's toss? (genuinely curious).
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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 21, 2020 4:24:59 GMT
I'll admit, I can't stand him and I'm counting down the days until he leaves. But that aside, from what I've seen of him, I don't rate him at all. Yes he works hard and all that. I just think all round he's a poor footballer. He's clumsy, gives a lot of possession away, and has to make up for a lot of mistakes he makes, which is where a lot of his 'hard work' comes into play.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 21, 2020 7:03:41 GMT
I'll admit, I can't stand him and I'm counting down the days until he leaves. But that aside, from what I've seen of him, I don't rate him at all. Yes he works hard and all that. I just think all round he's a poor footballer. He's clumsy, gives a lot of possession away, and has to make up for a lot of mistakes he makes, which is where a lot of his 'hard work' comes into play. I don't think that any player who has clocked up 350 appearances for clubs in the top two leagues of english football could ever reasonably be described as a poor footballer. I think his player of the season award was deserved. He's my favourite Stoke player at the moment, not only for his ability and effort, but because unlike many in his profession he recognises what football has given him, and is generous in his support for various good causes and projects, often without publicity.
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Post by dudnostokie on Aug 21, 2020 7:04:07 GMT
I'll admit, I can't stand him and I'm counting down the days until he leaves. But that aside, from what I've seen of him, I don't rate him at all. Yes he works hard and all that. I just think all round he's a poor footballer. He's clumsy, gives a lot of possession away, and has to make up for a lot of mistakes he makes, which is where a lot of his 'hard work' comes into play. Fair enough, each to their own. There are better footballers out there for sure, but for a team requiring a bit of fight in the Championship we could do a hell of a lot worse that Jimmie.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 21, 2020 7:46:02 GMT
This 11 page thread stayed by saying 'moving forward'.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 7:49:19 GMT
MON knows his stuff. Its great to hear that he sees McClean as a key player for us next season. I absolutely love Jimmy Mac. There's a reason he was player of the season. The majority of fans appreciate him and are right behind him. Plus, it also pisses off bayernoatcake, which is just a lovely added bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 8:35:23 GMT
One of very few players to come out of last season with any credit on the field, and all we do is knock him. It would help if he became a footballer... Unfortunately we'll always have stupidity like this but thankfully most are intelligent enough to see what he brings
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2020 17:52:56 GMT
MON knows his stuff. Its great to hear that he sees McClean as a key player for us next season. I absolutely love Jimmy Mac. There's a reason he was player of the season. The majority of fans appreciate him and are right behind him. Plus, it also pisses off bayernoatcake, which is just a lovely added bonus. It doesn’t piss me off at all. It makes me laugh that my points just kept being proven!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2020 17:53:45 GMT
It would help if he became a footballer... Unfortunately we'll always have stupidity like this but thankfully most are intelligent enough to see what he brings He’s a distance runner not a footballer.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 21, 2020 18:10:26 GMT
Unfortunately we'll always have stupidity like this but thankfully most are intelligent enough to see what he brings He’s a distance runner not a footballer. Absolute twaddle AGAIN. We all know he’s technically not the best. Are you sure you’re a Stoke supporter?
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Post by StaffordPotter on Aug 21, 2020 18:13:07 GMT
He’s a distance runner not a footballer. Absolute twaddle AGAIN. We all know he’s technically not the best. Are you sure you’re a Stoke supporter? Why does his support come into it? Just because he has a different view to you doesn't mean he's any less of a supporter.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 21, 2020 18:20:45 GMT
Absolute twaddle AGAIN. We all know he’s technically not the best. Are you sure you’re a Stoke supporter? Why does his support come into it? Just because he has a different view to you doesn't mean he's any less of a supporter. Tongue in cheek mate obviously😉
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 21:44:11 GMT
MON knows his stuff. Its great to hear that he sees McClean as a key player for us next season. I absolutely love Jimmy Mac. There's a reason he was player of the season. The majority of fans appreciate him and are right behind him. Plus, it also pisses off bayernoatcake, which is just a lovely added bonus. It doesn’t piss me off at all. It makes me laugh that my points just kept being proven! What point is that? That hes our player of the season? That our manager sees him as being a key player (again) next season?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2020 6:32:45 GMT
It would help if he became a footballer... Unfortunately we'll always have stupidity like this but thankfully most are intelligent enough to see what he brings Play Verlinden, or even Tymon, for a stretch of games and everyone will soon see what a proper wide player/winger is and then McClean will soon be forgotten, never to return.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2020 14:08:38 GMT
Not exactly a 'hands off' www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-live-4536973No James McClean in first two league games, whispers of a move to Celtic - do you want to put that to bed?MON: I think that’s probably just a rumour that’s been created by someone - and it certainly hasn’t come from our end. James isn’t a player, equally, that we are looking to lose at this minute in time. The nature of the transfer window is such that you have to be flexible and if any situation arises with any player you have to give it consideration, particularly where we are at this minute in time. We have to obviously deal with the rules of Financial Fair Play and deal with too a squad which is bloated. James is no different from any other player in the squad and if the situation arose we’d have to consider it but at this minute in time, I think that would be highly unlikely.
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Post by etebojan on Sept 22, 2020 14:15:39 GMT
Not exactly a 'hands off' www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-live-4536973No James McClean in first two league games, whispers of a move to Celtic - do you want to put that to bed?MON: I think that’s probably just a rumour that’s been created by someone - and it certainly hasn’t come from our end. James isn’t a player, equally, that we are looking to lose at this minute in time. The nature of the transfer window is such that you have to be flexible and if any situation arises with any player you have to give it consideration, particularly where we are at this minute in time. We have to obviously deal with the rules of Financial Fair Play and deal with too a squad which is bloated. James is no different from any other player in the squad and if the situation arose we’d have to consider it but at this minute in time, I think that would be highly unlikely. Agree definitely feel from that response that McClean could well be off before window closes if club receives a sensible offer
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