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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 1, 2020 18:32:56 GMT
When you look at how much money compared to other clubs who are stone broke it makes the mess we’re in even more inexcusable. I guess the blessing would be we do have rich owners.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 1, 2020 18:54:09 GMT
My first thought was, wow that's a break for us, then I remembered just how shit we are at the moment.
Obviously the news might affect how the Wigan players now perform, but on the basis of their performances so far since resumption, I can see them losing 12 pts and still staying up while we still go down.
It's a slight ray of hope for us, not much more.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 1, 2020 19:11:32 GMT
Pretty much so yeah Although the league have the powers to start it from next season which will probably happen if the deduction doesn’t relegate them this Is there no extenuating circumstances where the points deduction wouldn’t apply? And to help the simple minded, if the points deduction doesn’t cause them to be relegated they start next season in the Championship at -12 points? Thanks So let me get this clear are saying that when 12 points have been deducted and it doesn’t relegate them then they will get another 12 point deduction next season mmmm ......think you mean if they finish in the bottom 3 before points are deducted then they will start next season in Div 1 on -12 points.
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Post by greenstokie on Jul 1, 2020 19:19:56 GMT
Simple enough. They'll v be deducted 12 points from their end of season tally. If they were somehow to finish in the bottom three without the deduction, the 12 point deduction would carry over till next year in L1.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 1, 2020 19:38:27 GMT
Simple enough. They'll v be deducted 12 points from their end of season tally. If they were somehow to finish in the bottom three without the deduction, the 12 point deduction would carry over till next year in L1. Precisely.....as I said above.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 19:42:57 GMT
Simple enough. They'll v be deducted 12 points from their end of season tally. If they were somehow to finish in the bottom three without the deduction, the 12 point deduction would carry over till next year in L1. Precisely.....as I said above. I guess the argument is if they came in the bottom 3 then the deduction would be worthless. They have 3 more games v relegation threatened teams.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 1, 2020 20:03:04 GMT
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Post by BuckRogers on Jul 1, 2020 20:09:20 GMT
Let's hope so. Luton , Hull next please. We need all help we can get.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 1, 2020 20:17:36 GMT
Let's hope so. Luton , Hull next please. We need all help we can get. Doubt Luton as they've probably kept it tight, but Hull, that's another story. They were having a fire sale at the start of the year. We have to thank our lucky stars we have billionaire owners, who want to remain owners. And not some here today, gone today Hong Kong owners.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 1, 2020 20:27:41 GMT
And this is why the League One and lower seasons were cut short early. It's expensive putting on games without any income.
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Post by mano00001 on Jul 1, 2020 20:38:38 GMT
There going to be okay
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 1, 2020 21:34:01 GMT
Let's hope so. Luton , Hull next please. We need all help we can get. Too true! Sobs!😂
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Post by Godo on Jul 1, 2020 21:38:50 GMT
I take no comfort in this. Who's really been financially irresponsible, Wigan who have assembled a squad that outplayed and out fought us last night, having spent about 5% of the transfers fees and with a wage bill of about 15% of ours, or our club that has pissed tens of £millions up the wall on transfer fees and wages for our pile of shit?
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Post by toptom007 on Jul 1, 2020 21:38:51 GMT
Seriously though now many clubs do we need to go into administration in order to stay up?
Can clubs go into administration twice and get -24 to help us more?
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 1, 2020 22:07:38 GMT
Then we can appeal relegation on the grounds that the extended break made us really shit when we were looking slightly less shit than usual before it happened!
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Post by EccyStokie on Jul 1, 2020 22:21:36 GMT
Wasn’t there a unanimous decision by all clubs to continue the season? If so I’m not sure Wigan have any grounds to appeal. Also the rules are the rules and if an appeal was successful it could open all kinds of legal repercussions from clubs who could have potentially benefited from the deduction (stoke being one of them)
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jul 2, 2020 7:50:19 GMT
I hate to think that our only chance of survival is other clubs financially ruining themselves
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Post by liathroid on Jul 2, 2020 8:20:56 GMT
So if they appeal and win and no points deduction ,all that will happen is they will probaly have to pay 5p in the pound on their debt .now that leaves other companys up shitcreek and Wigan escape with no punishment and come back debt free.Any club who is in the same position will do the same and the only winners will be the clubs. Please correct me if I am wrong .
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 2, 2020 8:43:00 GMT
I cannot see them being able to vote the covid pandemic as a reason, given that they took over 4 weeks ago when the pandemic was in full flow. They were happy to take over during this period so cannot see this as a valid reason.
The only way this could be waived is that if the efl are found that they did not put the new owners through the tight and proper test
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 2, 2020 8:44:00 GMT
Heres hoping brentford rip them a new one on Saturday
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Post by werrington on Jul 2, 2020 8:44:13 GMT
The rules are the rules ...just ask Luton Town
An appeal is frivolous
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 2, 2020 9:01:54 GMT
I hate to think that our only chance of survival is other clubs financially ruining themselves Aye it doesnt sit well does it? If, as has been suggested, that other clubs will also face sanctions, this could get very messy very quickly. (Just hope we aint one of them)
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jul 2, 2020 12:01:14 GMT
I hate to think that our only chance of survival is other clubs financially ruining themselves Aye it doesnt sit well does it? If, as has been suggested, that other clubs will also face sanctions, this could get very messy very quickly. (Just hope we aint one of them) No it does not sit well. The post I saw just said more EFL teams so I think it might be League1/2 teams who are going to be the most likely though I have a mate who supports Leeds and he's under the impression their financial position is very unstable at the moment. I don't think going into administration is ever our problem under Coates but more complying with FFP
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 2, 2020 13:10:54 GMT
Just read that there are 10 interested parties in buying thw club. 10!! Christ we couldn't muster 2 when the icelanders wanted to sell up, and yet poxy Wigan have 10. Makes you wonder why we were so unappealing. Compared to Wigan we must have something going for us surely.
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Post by s8to on Jul 2, 2020 13:15:55 GMT
So... Is it feasible we could actually make the play off's then this season?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 2, 2020 15:32:20 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 2, 2020 15:35:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 15:35:41 GMT
You'd have to guess that would be Hull.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 2, 2020 15:39:18 GMT
You'd have to guess that would be Hull. You’d have to think so mate,we might get safe after all🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 15:41:58 GMT
You'd have to guess that would be Hull. You’d have to think so mate,we might get safe after all🤔 It's quite a staggering end to the season when all said and done. We could have a situation where three clubs are given hefty points deductions, if the worst happens to Sheffield Wednesday. I really don't know what to think. It could be us in their hands one day. The Wigan situation is a disgrace. They were only taken over 4 weeks ago!
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