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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 1, 2020 16:01:05 GMT
According to the latest news bulletins, the Wigan Manager and squad were only told of the situation this morning, and so were apparently not aware of the crisis when they were playing last night.
If they knew how suddenly the circumstances were changing and instead of being in a fairly safe position they were now in dire straits, would that have affected their performance last night? As people have posted, this sudden turnaround of fortunes must be devastating for the Wigan players, and if the news had emerged yesterday and caught them on the hop then they may not have had any urge to battle against us.
Was this just unfortunate for us? Will Wigan now fight or fold? We may have been the last team this season to come up against an in form Wigan squad, and their subsequent encounters this season may involve a lot of demoralized and demotivated players. This would give a boost to their opponents, whilst Stoke's turn against them simply ended in disaster.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 1, 2020 16:01:29 GMT
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Post by magwitch on Jul 1, 2020 16:21:39 GMT
Lucky Stoke!!
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Post by mano00001 on Jul 1, 2020 16:28:16 GMT
Can they appeal it?
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Post by chad on Jul 1, 2020 16:29:51 GMT
I don’t think they can. It’s a hard and fast rule isn’t it (hopefully)
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Post by jeycov on Jul 1, 2020 16:33:16 GMT
3 teams in total will be relegated?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 16:33:27 GMT
Don't think there would be anything to appeal, are you in administration yes or no, not really any wiggle room there.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 1, 2020 16:41:41 GMT
Nope no appeal, you're in administration, end of.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 1, 2020 16:52:39 GMT
Have heard a few people say Wigan may be spared coz of CV19 however rules are rules & they've got to adhere to the rules even in these tough times else it'll be free for all season for all clubs feeling the pinch to have a go at clearing their financial decks & burdens knowing they'll be no sanctions for them doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 16:55:28 GMT
Have heard a few people say Wigan may be spared coz of CV19 however rules are rules & they've got to adhere to the rules even in these tough times else it'll be free for all season for all clubs feeling the pinch to have a go at clearing their financial decks & burdens knowing they'll be no sanctions for them doing it.[/quote Weren't they given time to be bailed out earlier in the year and the funds from new investors never came through? Was rumours of admin before lockdown so can't see an argument here.
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Post by Miles Offside on Jul 1, 2020 17:02:06 GMT
Nope no appeal, you're in administration, end of. There might be no Appeal allowed under the EFL rules, but I would imagine that Wigan might well be taking legal advice on whether there's a case they could take to a civil court.
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Post by stokecity4life on Jul 1, 2020 17:11:00 GMT
Praise the lord!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 1, 2020 17:15:37 GMT
I'm sure it's not beyond us to ease ourselves into one of the two remaining places available.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 1, 2020 17:17:13 GMT
I would be truly ashamed if we stayed up at their expense because of this, especially after last night
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 1, 2020 17:19:21 GMT
According to the latest news bulletins, the Wigan Manager and squad were only told of the situation this morning, and so were apparently not aware of the crisis when they were playing last night. If they knew how suddenly the circumstances were changing and instead of being in a fairly safe position they were now in dire straits, would that have affected their performance last night? As people have posted, this sudden turnaround of fortunes must be devastating for the Wigan players, and if the news had emerged yesterday and caught them on the hop then they may not have had any urge to battle against us. Was this just unfortunate for us? Will Wigan now fight or fold? We may have been the last team this season to come up against an in form Wigan squad, and their subsequent encounters this season may involve a lot of demoralized and demotivated players. This would give a boost to their opponents, whilst Stoke's turn against them simply ended in disaster. We got completely played off the park by the 17th-placed team in the division and the following day, out of nowhere, they've been deducted 12 points and effectively gone bottom of the table. And you're somehow spinning this as *un*fortunate for Stoke?
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 1, 2020 17:27:43 GMT
This is a double edged sword for us. Providing we beat Barnsley, we need Wigan to beat Barnsley, Hull and Charlton to give us a chance with options of staying up. Given their recent run of good form I can't see Luton being in the mix. They've got 4 at home and 2 away and all are games they can get something from... Reading, Barnsley, Hudderfield, QPR, Hull, and Blackburn Rovers.
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Post by mano00001 on Jul 1, 2020 17:30:28 GMT
Nope no appeal, you're in administration, end of. There might be no Appeal allowed under the EFL rules, but I would imagine that Wigan might well be taking legal advice on whether there's a case they could take to a civil court. I do think this will happen
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 1, 2020 17:30:54 GMT
I would be truly ashamed if we stayed up at their expense because of this, especially after last night Yep. It would be a pretty vile way to stay up. You compare what our wage bill must be to Wigan's. We are an utter disgrace of a club right now.
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Post by lordb on Jul 1, 2020 17:33:59 GMT
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Post by fraybentos on Jul 1, 2020 17:36:01 GMT
I can’t see how Wigan will finish below us, even if they lose the12pts after last nights performance.
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Post by neddy on Jul 1, 2020 17:40:01 GMT
I can’t see how Wigan will finish below us, even if they lose the12pts after last nights performance. Well they would be 5 points behind us with 6 games to play and hopefully the uncertain future affects them? Just hanging on to hope!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 1, 2020 17:41:26 GMT
I would be truly ashamed if we stayed up at their expense because of this, especially after last night Yep. It would be a pretty vile way to stay up. You compare what our wage bill must be to Wigan's. We are an utter disgrace of a club right now. Don't get carried away folks. If they get deducted 12 points they will be five points behind us. Based on last nights performance does anyone honestly think they couldn't overtake us in the remaining six games of the season? It's so tight down there at the bottom the penalty will be a massive blow but it won't mean they're automatically relegated and the sense of injustice might just fire them up. Meanwhile we'll just continue with our freefall.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 1, 2020 17:42:14 GMT
There might be no Appeal allowed under the EFL rules, but I would imagine that Wigan might well be taking legal advice on whether there's a case they could take to a civil court. I do think this will happen These are clear rules set by the EFL. It's not happened yet, Coventry, Portsmouth etc.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 1, 2020 17:47:16 GMT
I do think this will happen These are clear rules set by the EFL. It's not happened yet, Coventry, Portsmouth etc. Wouldn't surprise me if a Covid extraordinary situation comes into play. I mean who thought a few months ago that millions of the UK workforce would be getting paid for sitting on their arses at home for twelve weeks.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 1, 2020 17:59:36 GMT
These are clear rules set by the EFL. It's not happened yet, Coventry, Portsmouth etc. Wouldn't surprise me if a Covid extraordinary situation comes into play. I mean who thought a few months ago that millions of the UK workforce would be getting paid for sitting on their arses at home for twelve weeks. Could we use the “extraordinary” excuse? Ours being our lazy, arsed players thought the season was over during lock down so pissed it up and mentally put themselves on the beach before some bastard asked them to return to work. It just wasn’t fair on the loves.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 1, 2020 18:08:36 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if a Covid extraordinary situation comes into play. I mean who thought a few months ago that millions of the UK workforce would be getting paid for sitting on their arses at home for twelve weeks. Could we use the “extraordinary” excuse? Ours being our lazy, arsed players thought the season was over during lock down so pissed it up and mentally put themselves on the beach before some bastard asked them to return to work. It just wasn’t fair on the loves. 😊👍
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Post by devondumpling on Jul 1, 2020 18:14:19 GMT
I hate the media when it comes to Football A Championship club that won the FA Cup in recent times go into administration, what is the headline on BBC Football "Liverpool, Man City Press Conferences Latest" That is a Disgrace The BBC is a disgrace.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 1, 2020 18:14:48 GMT
So all they’ve got do then is keep on winning and they’ll be fine. Pretty much so yeah Although the league have the powers to start it from next season which will probably happen if the deduction doesn’t relegate them this Is there no extenuating circumstances where the points deduction wouldn’t apply? And to help the simple minded, if the points deduction doesn’t cause them to be relegated they start next season in the Championship at -12 points? Thanks
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 1, 2020 18:22:12 GMT
According to the latest news bulletins, the Wigan Manager and squad were only told of the situation this morning, and so were apparently not aware of the crisis when they were playing last night. If they knew how suddenly the circumstances were changing and instead of being in a fairly safe position they were now in dire straits, would that have affected their performance last night? As people have posted, this sudden turnaround of fortunes must be devastating for the Wigan players, and if the news had emerged yesterday and caught them on the hop then they may not have had any urge to battle against us. Was this just unfortunate for us? Will Wigan now fight or fold? We may have been the last team this season to come up against an in form Wigan squad, and their subsequent encounters this season may involve a lot of demoralized and demotivated players. This would give a boost to their opponents, whilst Stoke's turn against them simply ended in disaster. We got completely played off the park by the 17th-placed team in the division and the following day, out of nowhere, they've been deducted 12 points and effectively gone bottom of the table. And you're somehow spinning this as *un*fortunate for Stoke? No, my point was, if the administration move had been announced a day or two earlier, would Stoke have been playing a different, perhaps demoralized, Wigan last night. All a question of timing, as was Woodgate's dismissal form Middlesborough, a few days before we played them, which might have been unfortunate for Stoke, as we then came up against Warnock.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 1, 2020 18:30:09 GMT
Have heard a few people say Wigan may be spared coz of CV19 however rules are rules & they've got to adhere to the rules even in these tough times else it'll be free for all season for all clubs feeling the pinch to have a go at clearing their financial decks & burdens knowing they'll be no sanctions for them doing it. They cant argue that, they as I understand only completed the purchase in June 2020 which was already in covid and passed the fit and proper etc test so they had the opportunity to withdraw because of covid but didn't. The Hong Kong company (new owners) have just refused to fund them.
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