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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 9, 2020 20:15:15 GMT
I don’t think it will matter how they are playing even with a 12 point deduction they will still stay up. Same here mate
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Post by karl on Jul 9, 2020 20:18:03 GMT
I don’t think it will matter how they are playing even with a 12 point deduction they will still stay up. Same here mate Are Sheffield Wednesday also getting a points deduction tomorrow?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 9, 2020 20:18:40 GMT
Are Sheffield Wednesday also getting a points deduction tomorrow? Thats the rumour
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Post by mano00001 on Jul 9, 2020 20:36:11 GMT
Are Sheffield Wednesday also getting a points deduction tomorrow? Thats the rumour Where did u hear this rumour?
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 9, 2020 20:37:31 GMT
Where did u hear this rumour? From a very dear imaginary friend
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Post by Davef on Jul 9, 2020 20:37:35 GMT
Where did u hear this rumour? He probably heard it from a mate who's a Wednesday fan who heard it from a very good source...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 9, 2020 20:38:58 GMT
Where did u hear this rumour? He probably heard it from a mate who's a Wednesday from who heard it from a very good source... Now now David don’t take the piss😂😂
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Post by karl on Jul 9, 2020 20:54:28 GMT
He probably heard it from a mate who's a Wednesday from who heard it from a very good source... Now now David don’t take the piss😂😂 It's all over the Sheffield Wednesday forum.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 9, 2020 20:55:56 GMT
Now now David don’t take the piss😂😂 It's all over the Sheffield Wednesday forum. They're expecting it
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 9, 2020 20:56:52 GMT
Where did u hear this rumour? He probably heard it from a mate who's a Wednesday from who heard it from a very good source... I'm confused I'm sure he said a food source?
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Post by thevoid on Jul 9, 2020 20:59:04 GMT
Friend is wigan fan and he said he heard from very food source that they will win there appeal hand down If it's food, should it be 'sauce'?
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 9, 2020 22:45:31 GMT
It's all over the Sheffield Wednesday forum. They're expecting it This one I do pray for....just to see gary monk's eyes bulge a little more
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 22:50:17 GMT
I think Wigan finish above us even with 12 deducted. We have to hope Wednesday get a battering.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 5:00:31 GMT
I hope Sheffield Wednesday don't get a deduction. How embarrassing will it be to still go down, having spent 60M+ on a squad where two clubs have had 12+ point deductions?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2020 20:15:07 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season.
If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 20:19:08 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season. If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens? Absolutely none.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 12, 2020 20:20:42 GMT
Surely it should be applied as soon as you enter administration (for certainity).
For me the way this is being handled does no one any favours
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2020 20:23:15 GMT
Surely it should be applied as soon as you enter administration (for certainity). For me the way this is being handled does no one any favours No, it couldn't be applied until it had been established if they were going to finish in the bottom three or not.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 12, 2020 20:29:23 GMT
Surely it should be applied as soon as you enter administration (for certainity). For me the way this is being handled does no one any favours No, it couldn't be applied until it had been established if they were going to finish in the bottom three or not. But why Paul Can they not do it the other way around, deduct the points and review at the end of the season. Would give more transparency, no?
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 12, 2020 20:34:05 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season. If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens? Yes as there is no disadvantage. The reason for postponing is that it provides a disadvantage next season. If they just lopped off points now every one would do it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2020 20:54:47 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season. If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens? Yes as there is no disadvantage. The reason for postponing is that it provides a disadvantage next season. If they just lopped off points now every one would do it. Obviously, I've said as much above. You've missed my point, if Hull don't win on Tuesday then Wigan can't finish in the bottom three this season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2020 20:56:41 GMT
No, it couldn't be applied until it had been established if they were going to finish in the bottom three or not. But why Paul Can they not do it the other way around, deduct the points and review at the end of the season. Would give more transparency, no? They couldn't really give them a punishment and then retract it because they finished in the bottom three anyway.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 12, 2020 21:00:30 GMT
But why Paul Can they not do it the other way around, deduct the points and review at the end of the season. Would give more transparency, no? They couldn't really give them a punishment and then retract it because they finished in the bottom three anyway. Fair enough but if they finished in the bottom 3 just roll the -12 onto the next season Anyway we’ll just have to wait and see how it plays out. Hope Wigan don’t go down but if it saved us, good luck Wigan!!
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Post by baystokie on Jul 12, 2020 21:34:45 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season. If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens? If you would excuse me having a 'senior moment' - if it becomes impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three (ie they finish OUTSIDE the bottom three), the 12 point deduction is applied this season. What happens then if the 12 point deduction TAKES them INTO the bottom three this season? Or is it time for my medicine?
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 12, 2020 21:44:21 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season. If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens? If you would excuse me having a 'senior moment' - if it becomes impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three (ie they finish OUTSIDE the bottom three), the 12 point deduction is applied this season. What happens then if the 12 point deduction TAKES them INTO the bottom three this season? Or is it time for my medicine? They get relegated
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2020 22:02:34 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season. If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens? If you would excuse me having a 'senior moment' - if it becomes impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three (ie they finish OUTSIDE the bottom three), the 12 point deduction is applied this season. What happens then if the 12 point deduction TAKES them INTO the bottom three this season? Or is it time for my medicine? If applied on Tuesday, they go into the bottom three. If applied at the end of the season and they go into the bottom three, then they are relegated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 22:12:36 GMT
The EFL have always said that if Wigan finish in the bottom three this season, then their 12 point deduction will be applied next season but if they finish outside the bottom three, then it will be applied this season. If Hull don't beat Wigan on Tuesday, then it will be impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three this season, so therefore, is there any reason why their deduction shouldn't be applied immediately, if this happens? If you would excuse me having a 'senior moment' - if it becomes impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three (ie they finish OUTSIDE the bottom three), the 12 point deduction is applied this season. What happens then if the 12 point deduction TAKES them INTO the bottom three this season? Or is it time for my medicine? Apologies for butting in but hopefully this explains it. "If in the event the Club is relegated by virtue of their final position following the conclusion of the Championship season, then the deduction will apply in League One in 2020/21. However, if the Club is not in the relegation places following the final game of season, the sanction will be then be applied to their season 2019/20 total and final league standings amended as appropriate." www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-wigan-athletic/
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Post by mattface on Jul 13, 2020 11:16:21 GMT
If you would excuse me having a 'senior moment' - if it becomes impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three (ie they finish OUTSIDE the bottom three), the 12 point deduction is applied this season. What happens then if the 12 point deduction TAKES them INTO the bottom three this season? Or is it time for my medicine? Apologies for butting in but hopefully this explains it. "If in the event the Club is relegated by virtue of their final position following the conclusion of the Championship season, then the deduction will apply in League One in 2020/21. However, if the Club is not in the relegation places following the final game of season, the sanction will be then be applied to their season 2019/20 total and final league standings amended as appropriate." www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-wigan-athletic/The rules changed a few years ago when an already relegated Leeds went into administration, took the points deduction and started the following season clean (well cleanish). There is a timing issue, if you enter administration before 3rd March, I think, the points are deducted immediately. If after league position dictates whether it's applied to the current season or next.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 13, 2020 11:22:10 GMT
The season ends in what, 9 days?
Can anybody see Wigan’s case and any associated appeal from the EFL and their creditors being heard in that time?
The legal wrangling with this could go on for years.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jul 13, 2020 11:44:23 GMT
If you would excuse me having a 'senior moment' - if it becomes impossible for Wigan to finish in the bottom three (ie they finish OUTSIDE the bottom three), the 12 point deduction is applied this season. What happens then if the 12 point deduction TAKES them INTO the bottom three this season? Or is it time for my medicine? Apologies for butting in but hopefully this explains it. "If in the event the Club is relegated by virtue of their final position following the conclusion of the Championship season, then the deduction will apply in League One in 2020/21. However, if the Club is not in the relegation places following the final game of season, the sanction will be then be applied to their season 2019/20 total and final league standings amended as appropriate." www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl-statement-wigan-athletic/The policy is still flawed then according to this. Wigan could still stay up with a 12 point deduction and start again next season in the Championship, under new ownership with a clean slate financially. What sort of punishment is that ? Clubs can almost plan for administration by over-spending and time it for their own benefit - or am I mis-reading the situation ?
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