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Post by Miles Offside on Jun 30, 2020 22:08:55 GMT
How long can Michael O’Neill escape criticism? Do I want him gone ...fuck no but I’ll tell you what he’s got to start taking some of the blame for this shambles and team selection Needs to play positive attacking football, but he can only do that by playing a positive attacking line-up.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 1, 2020 0:21:57 GMT
I can see a club statement looming and a capped man in the dugout on Saturday, the only thing that has changed in the last 2 or so years is the willingness to change the manager at the drop of a hat. Coates will be desperate to avoid the drop and will do the only thing he knows which is to break the glass and bring him back. I don’t want that but I could really see it...... No good I'm afraid. If I remember correctly even the great man needs 5 or 6 games to start changing things and making an impact, and time is not something we have.
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Post by skip on Jul 1, 2020 0:28:14 GMT
Letting Woods go was an appalling decision. Funnily enough I was talking at length today with a work pal who is a Millwall fan and he was absolutely ranting about Ryan Woods. Stealing a living, piss weak, hides, a cheap copy of a footballer. He can't stand him!
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Post by banx10 on Jul 1, 2020 0:29:47 GMT
yeah sack the manager. Keep sacking them. .fucking hell. Stoke fans have made there bed when they called for tony out (and got there wish). Players are a disgrace- that's the problem 100% agree. I’ll never understand the utter insanity of getting rid of him!
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Post by zerps on Jul 1, 2020 4:48:52 GMT
How many managers until we realise it’s not the manager? Can you explain the up turn in results before lock down and the sudden down turn now, only one thing has changed and its isn't the players. What’s changed?
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Post by zerps on Jul 1, 2020 4:55:14 GMT
Not one person to a man looked at that team tonight and thought.....yes....we will get something tonight. We were beat from the 1st second and thats on him. Show me a team where everyone thinks the opposite...
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Post by werrington on Jul 1, 2020 5:55:09 GMT
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Post by rorystowel on Jul 1, 2020 6:00:29 GMT
Letting Woods go was an appalling decision. Funnily enough I was talking at length today with a work pal who is a Millwall fan and he was absolutely ranting about Ryan Woods. Stealing a living, piss weak, hides, a cheap copy of a footballer. He can't stand him! Woods can only pass backwards. Not what we need right now. Or ever.
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Post by theteacher on Jul 1, 2020 6:17:50 GMT
Three team sheets in a row have been diabolical and his interview, turning on the players, after Saturday was disgraceful and opened him up for serious scrutiny after his selections and tactics. His 433 isn't working and he's started to shift the team around in desperation. He's done nothing but give those work shy tossers an excuse to underperform. Couldn’t agree more. 433 with this bunch of players is almost as bad as the diamond under Jones. Playing a 3 up front requires either the 1 to be a mobile bully and goal machine or the front 3 have to all be goal getters. BUT we have McClean and Tom fxxxing Ince. Play it simple Michael. What is wrong with 442. Long term maybe 433 but at present we just don’t have the players for it to be the best and most reliable formation. Having said this the players clearly have the Lion’s share of the blame to shoulder. No heart, no passion and hopefully no future with OUR club. I don’t think there is a single player I would lose sleep over if they were to leave.
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Post by greyface on Jul 1, 2020 6:21:25 GMT
How many managers until we realise it’s not the manager? Can you explain the up turn in results before lock down and the sudden down turn now, only one thing has changed and its isn't the players. It’s not the manager. It’s the “process” and the board. Sooner everyone realises this the better. I firmly believe that the players went into lockdown believing that the job was done, and we are now being found out by those teams that have/are genuinely putting the effort in. MON has worked miracles to even give this poor collection of players a chance of staying up, need to lay off him. It isn’t the players’ fault that the squad has no balance, that’s down to recruitment. But, at the same time, I can’t accept it when those players don’t show any fight or commitment. That’s the absolute minimum that anyone who wears that shirt should provide. MINIMUM.
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Post by neddy on Jul 1, 2020 6:34:57 GMT
I would try 442 but whatever formation we put out it’s down to the players and right now at this moment I couldn’t pick 11 out of this shower I have any confidence in?
MON hands must have been tied re FFP as he couldn’t even add Brunt to the squad on the final transfer day! Now Covid and losing Allen has exposed the threadbare level of any quality and desire in the squad.
It’s difficult to pick any player other than the kids and maybe Ryan in starting 11. I have massive sympathy for the manager.....I agree the selections have been odd post lockdown but as he says he sees them in training?
There must be issues with Smith and Indi for instance to play Collins and that excuse of a left back.....we have seen Tymon can’t handle it so what are the alternatives? As I’ve said Cousins and Thompson are plainly out of there depth I don’t think it’s desire with them. Ince looks like a sullen child and McLean and Clucas have totally lost form by the looks of it. Clucas has always opened his mouth nothing new there!
The problem with setting a team up without the attitude problems makes it unbalanced re for example players out of position like Powell. The alternative is play all kids which would get us relegated anyway. What 442 could he play....we have no decent midfield so may as well hoof to top 2 and play second phase ball.
Butland cause we have to as Davies proved at Brentford he’s worse!
Smith or bring Edwards back? Ryan Collins Indi as no alternative
Powell but really out of position Sorensen Clucas no choice despite attitude McLean no choice
Vokes Campbell
I can’t think of anything else sadly!
Gutted!
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Post by andycooke96 on Jul 1, 2020 7:16:53 GMT
It took O'Neil a long time to get it right with N.Ireland, including defeat to luxembourg on the way, however he isnt blameless team selections since lockdown have been odd to say the least. But hes also the reason we have/had a fighting chance, id trust him to take us back up but I wouldnt trust the players. Every chance he walks away though and I wouldnt blame him. Managers are not the issue and havent been since Hughes. If the board want to carry on as owners and make a success of it they need to appoint a sporting director/director of football who knows how modern football works. At the moment we are sinking ship regardless of who is at the wheel.
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Post by cockoscfc on Jul 1, 2020 7:52:39 GMT
I've started to wonder since the restart why the last 3 managers have all finished up picking unbalanced lineups and playing players out of position. I just can't accept that good managers become this bad overnight and it's much more likely that we have a bunch of thundercunts wearing the shirt who need outing. Long road ahead clearing all this shit out, Accrington Stanley here we come......
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2020 8:13:21 GMT
Can you explain the up turn in results before lock down and the sudden down turn now, only one thing has changed and its isn't the players. It’s not the manager. It’s the “process” and the board. Sooner everyone realises this the better. I firmly believe that the players went into lockdown believing that the job was done, and we are now being found out by those teams that have/are genuinely putting the effort in. MON has worked miracles to even give this poor collection of players a chance of staying up, need to lay off him. It isn’t the players’ fault that the squad has no balance, that’s down to recruitment. But, at the same time, I can’t accept it when those players don’t show any fight or commitment. That’s the absolute minimum that anyone who wears that shirt should provide. MINIMUM. So the board has turned around and said why are you playing a set up that works when we can have five across the middle and an imobile lone striker. Yes MON had done a good job and since the restart he's ripped that all up and gone back to what put us in the bottom three to start with, yes there are other problems going on as you mention but that doesn't explain why the manager has moved away from what was working.
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