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Post by Pirate on Jun 30, 2020 21:05:04 GMT
Wheels have totally come off since the break, we miss Allen badly but the team selections have been more than a little mystifying. I am a bit wound up to be making good judgments on the manager at the moment though so i will refrain.
Will say this, his 3 signings have added nothing by way of improvement, i think Chester is woeful, if there truly is no left back out there in world football for us then surly waxing the limited budget he had on a couple of wingers, or a winger & a beast of a midfielder would have been a much more obvious route than the one chosen & would have given us a much better chance of survival? He has pretty much followed the transfer pattern of his predecessors already
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:05:08 GMT
Doesn't need to be, its there for all to see, since the lock down he's done nothing to help, he had it so right before and he's ripped it up and wonders why its not working. Joe. Allen. No, not good enough, so we lose Allen and you imediately revert to doing what we know doesn't work without even seeing if it could work without him, I'm not having it, he could have tried Sorro or Cousins in there instead, doesn't work fine then try and see what could. The other argument that its not Allen, this set up didn't work when he was in the team.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 30, 2020 21:06:30 GMT
Radio Stoke presenters who are usually steadfast are slaughtering the players Be different if Dennis Smith was on he won’t say a thing against the club and shits down any criticism can’t stand the old fool being on thank for he is shielding and can’t use a laptop I think we will see a change before Saturday
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:07:00 GMT
No, not good enough, so we lose Allen and you imediately revert to doing what we know doesn't work without even seeing if it could work without him, I'm not having it, he could have tried Sorro or Cousins in there instead, doesn't work fine then try and see what could. The other argument that its not Allen, this set up didn't work when he was in the team. You need a very special set of players to play 433. There are very few teams in world football that have the tools to play it.
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Post by werrington on Jun 30, 2020 21:07:39 GMT
Doesn't need to be, its there for all to see, since the lock down he's done nothing to help, he had it so right before and he's ripped it up and wonders why its not working. Joe. Allen. Oh 100% mate But when we farmed our Ndiaye and Etebo due to FFP and Woods for fuck knows why we left ourselves in a suicidal position in midfield It’s coming home to roost
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:09:01 GMT
Not one person to a man looked at that team tonight and thought.....yes....we will get something tonight.
We were beat from the 1st second and thats on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:09:58 GMT
No, not good enough, so we lose Allen and you imediately revert to doing what we know doesn't work without even seeing if it could work without him, I'm not having it, he could have tried Sorro or Cousins in there instead, doesn't work fine then try and see what could. The other argument that its not Allen, this set up didn't work when he was in the team. Allen, Clucas and Powell. One is injured , the other two had full frontal lobotomy's during lockdown. He's searching for solutions and they've not worked, not good enough I get it but the players are a shambles......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:10:20 GMT
Not one person to a man looked at that team tonight and thought.....yes....we will get something tonight. We were beat from the 1st second and thats on him. And the players.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:10:57 GMT
Oh 100% mate But when we farmed our Ndiaye and Etebo due to FFP and Woods for fuck knows why we left ourselves in a suicidal position in midfield It’s coming home to roost None of which was down to the manager I'd hazard a guess......
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:12:36 GMT
No, not good enough, so we lose Allen and you imediately revert to doing what we know doesn't work without even seeing if it could work without him, I'm not having it, he could have tried Sorro or Cousins in there instead, doesn't work fine then try and see what could. The other argument that its not Allen, this set up didn't work when he was in the team. Allen, Clucas and Powell. One is injured , the other two had full frontal lobotomy's during lockdown. He's searching for solutions and they've not worked, not good enough I get it but the players are a shambles...... He hasn't even tried the one that was working. The same players, bar Allen, were good enough and getting the points before the set up changed.......
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:13:13 GMT
Oh 100% mate But when we farmed our Ndiaye and Etebo due to FFP and Woods for fuck knows why we left ourselves in a suicidal position in midfield It’s coming home to roost None of which was down to the manager I'd hazard a guess...... Tbf it had to be done.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2020 21:14:18 GMT
No nor me. Everything was about the shit selection. People saying Ward couldn’t be worse than Indi. We know he is. We know it for a fact. He can’t run. Everything came down that side and he couldn’t do anything. And ffs play Clucas as one of the two deeper CMs. He’s tried giving him a floaty free role in 3 games now and he’s floated nowhere where he was needed leaving two League One players to try hold the fort. Clucas can't float, he's to worried knowing the players in the middle aren't up to it, I'm not sure what he sees in Thompson tbh, he doesn't do anything, a decent corner taker maybe but he's lost in the game. Its a big worry that O'Neill can't see why its not working. I thought he’d see it after Reading. Ditch Thompson, play Sorensen and Clucas with Powell ahead of them against Boro. I honestly couldn’t see how you could do anything else but then he ended playing McClean on the right. I don’t like him clearly but why would anyone think he could play on the right? When has ever used his right foot? He’s a left winger. Just messed up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:15:41 GMT
Allen, Clucas and Powell. One is injured , the other two had full frontal lobotomy's during lockdown. He's searching for solutions and they've not worked, not good enough I get it but the players are a shambles...... He hasn't even tried the one that was working. The same players, bar Allen, were good enough and getting the points before the set up changed....... Powell and Clucas have been shit. Powell has given the ball away time after time, a stupid free kick for the 'Boro goal and a ridiculous sending off. Clucas look devoid of any energy. I'm not defending O'Neill totally, I'm saying he's been unfortunate.......
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Post by skelman on Jun 30, 2020 21:16:53 GMT
The 1970–71 season was Stoke City's 64th season in the Football League and the 40th in the First Division. Stoke had a successful season making it to the semi-final of the FA Cup for only the second time in our history. We beat Arsenal 5-0 at the Vic in the September and how I loved it every time that long legged blonde 'golden goal' girl flounced past the Butler Street paddock!! Oh how things have changed
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:17:03 GMT
Clucas can't float, he's to worried knowing the players in the middle aren't up to it, I'm not sure what he sees in Thompson tbh, he doesn't do anything, a decent corner taker maybe but he's lost in the game. Its a big worry that O'Neill can't see why its not working. I thought he’d see it after Reading. Ditch Thompson, play Sorensen and Clucas with Powell ahead of them against Boro. I honestly couldn’t see how you could do anything else but then he ended playing McClean on the right. I don’t like him clearly but why would anyone think he could play on the right? When has ever used his right foot? He’s a left winger. Just messed up. It was the obvious thing to do at the start, slot someone into a set up that was working and tinker from there, not just rip it all up and go no where near it.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 30, 2020 21:17:07 GMT
Allen, Clucas and Powell. One is injured , the other two had full frontal lobotomy's during lockdown. He's searching for solutions and they've not worked, not good enough I get it but the players are a shambles...... He hasn't even tried the one that was working. The same players, bar Allen, were good enough and getting the points before the set up changed....... What would you go with in terms of a starting line-up/system? The selections have been wayward since the restart but having seen the last three performances from the players (both individually and collectively) I'm not quite sure what I would do with them now!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 30, 2020 21:20:52 GMT
yeah sack the manager. Keep sacking them. .fucking hell. Stoke fans have made there bed when they called for tony out (and got there wish). Players are a disgrace- that's the problem Don't talk bollocks.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2020 21:23:04 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:24:57 GMT
He hasn't even tried the one that was working. The same players, bar Allen, were good enough and getting the points before the set up changed....... Powell and Clucas have been shit. Powell has given the ball away time after time, a stupid free kick for the 'Boro goal and a ridiculous sending off. Clucas look devoid of any energy. I'm not defending O'Neill totally, I'm saying he's been unfortunate....... I agree they have been shit, the same as they were before we found the right set up, they were both much better in posisions that worked for them, they haven't been in them since the restart. I don't see how he's been unfortunate, okay he lost Allen thats fine but he's the one thats changed to a set up that suits none of the players. I'm not saying we haven't missed Allen I'm saying how would anyone know we didn't even give it a chance.
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Post by loosestools on Jun 30, 2020 21:25:30 GMT
I watched Burnley v Palace last night. They had no strike force - all injured, but they were compact and well drilled. Won 1-0 even with old Bardsley playing and Pieters on the wing for goodness sake. But, players were fit and competitive, never gave up, kept their shape and took an opportunity when presented. And Dyche has them playing for him. So what is happening at Stoke? Players don't give a shit, possibly did fuck all during lockdown so are really unfit and are disrespectful to the manager, who has unfortunately lost the plot a bit and doing a Nathan. Bite the bullet boys - we are on our way down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2020 21:25:35 GMT
I thought he’d see it after Reading. Ditch Thompson, play Sorensen and Clucas with Powell ahead of them against Boro. I honestly couldn’t see how you could do anything else but then he ended playing McClean on the right. I don’t like him clearly but why would anyone think he could play on the right? When has ever used his right foot? He’s a left winger. Just messed up. It was the obvious thing to do at the start, slot someone into a set up that was working and tinker from there, not just rip it all up and go no where near it. And then similarly once Powell is sent off against Boro, 442? I just didn’t think anything else seemed doable?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:29:03 GMT
He hasn't even tried the one that was working. The same players, bar Allen, were good enough and getting the points before the set up changed....... What would you go with in terms of a starting line-up/system? The selections have been wayward since the restart but having seen the last three performances from the players (both individually and collectively) I'm not quite sure what I would do with them now! Keep it the same, but Sorro in place of Allen, this is how we should have restarted then go from there, I know Ince isn't doing well but it would have kept the ballance, we were getting results.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:30:16 GMT
It was the obvious thing to do at the start, slot someone into a set up that was working and tinker from there, not just rip it all up and go no where near it. And then similarly once Powell is sent off against Boro, 442? I just didn’t think anything else seemed doable? Yeh 4-4-2 would have been much better than what we got tonight, having Vokes behind Campbell could have worked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:32:44 GMT
And then similarly once Powell is sent off against Boro, 442? I just didn’t think anything else seemed doable? Yeh 4-4-2 would have been much better than what we got tonight, having Vokes behind Campbell could have worked. I still don't think we'd have troubled them, but I agree it would have been a better system...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 30, 2020 21:36:17 GMT
And then similarly once Powell is sent off against Boro, 442? I just didn’t think anything else seemed doable? Yeh 4-4-2 would have been much better than what we got tonight, having Vokes behind Campbell could have worked. It’s not ideal but with what we have the best option imo.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 30, 2020 21:36:27 GMT
He’s lost the dressing room, that’s clear from tonight’s performance. Something has definitely happened since lockdown We are a poor side from top to bottom mate.You can't get a tune out of a broken fiddle.This team if you can call it a team,has confounded 2 managers with good reputations,and are setting about destroying another.Klopp couldn't get this lot winning football matches.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:45:11 GMT
Yeh 4-4-2 would have been much better than what we got tonight, having Vokes behind Campbell could have worked. I still don't think we'd have troubled them, but I agree it would have been a better system... Probably not in fairness but I don't think Powell gets pissed off and does what he did if the system wasn't messed about with, all ifs and buts I know but its the only thing I can think of.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:46:10 GMT
Something has definitely happened since lockdown We are a poor side from top to bottom mate. You can't get a tune out of a broken fiddle.This team if you can call it a team,has confounded 2 managers with good reputations,and are setting about destroying another.Klopp couldn't get this lot winning football matches. Thats the thing though, they were.
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Post by march4 on Jun 30, 2020 21:47:51 GMT
If we play as badly at the weekend, it is clear the manager has lost the dressing room.
What has happened? It all seemed fine before lockdown.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 30, 2020 22:03:25 GMT
We are a poor side from top to bottom mate. You can't get a tune out of a broken fiddle.This team if you can call it a team,has confounded 2 managers with good reputations,and are setting about destroying another.Klopp couldn't get this lot winning football matches. Thats the thing though, they were. They were hit and miss and reliant on the shit below them losing,that isn't happening now.
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