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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 20, 2020 22:19:36 GMT
I’m not talking about stopping cars that look suspicious etc though John. I’m talking about radar traps, fining people for breaking lockdown and so on. I’m sorry but whichever way you look at it, that is simply not as important as other forms of crime. It’s a waste of precious resources. Whilst it’s all very well and good to postulate what you or I might do if we were the parents of black children, the simple fact of the matter is that we’re not. Neither of us can possibly know what it is to be black. I wouldn’t presume to know what that lived experience is like. I find this wording of your post slightly concerning: “In the vast majority of cases if the Police are treated ok, the person stopped is treated ok” I would hope that if the police are treated okay, the person stopped is always treated okay  All that said, I think we’re fundamentally agreed that there should be more bobbies on the beat. That would certainly help combat violent crime I think. Ok, we do disagree, slightly. When I joined it was made clear that I was signing up to " protect life and property " There are many deaths and injuries caused by traffic/ cars/ speeding...it has to be policed . If not , it would be worse. As regarding parents of black children, I'm nether postulating nor presuming. I'm offering an opinion. And I have discussed it with some black people. Horror, horror , rather than always being devisive I think it is possible to show empathy as parents ( as a category), not simply black or white. There's no need always to emphasise the undoubted black experience of racism , personally as a parent I think the safety of my children is paramount. I offered the same advice to my teenage son , driving a modified, wrapped , lowered, , tinted,VW if stopped by the Police and he gets it. I don't want to debate the whole stop and search/ police bias / black victimisation again....done it many times and I've come to the same conclusion. Of course, your prerogative to differ. I'd hope the same re your last point re being treated fairly, but in the real world people might have cause to believe that they have been treated unjustly by those in authority, no matter how well they have acted , police, teachers, parents, bosses...Police are only human and there may be one or two for whom the power has gone to their head. I guess my point about imagining what I’d say to my child if I were black (which I probably would be if my child was black) is that it’s unimaginable to me really. If I had been born black and grown up in the 70’s/80’s then statistically I’d have almost certainly lived a very different life and have a very different outlook. There’s an incredibly high chance I wouldn’t have had the education or job prospects that I have had, and also a pretty good chance I’d have had some sort of negative experience interacting with police. I would suggest on your part that if you’d been born black, you’d have been substantially less likely to be able to join the police at the time you did. And perhaps you therefore wouldn’t be such an advocate of your children helping them. Thankfully the situation is better these days I think, but still a lot of work to be done clearly |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 20, 2020 22:41:38 GMT
Ok, we do disagree, slightly. When I joined it was made clear that I was signing up to " protect life and property " There are many deaths and injuries caused by traffic/ cars/ speeding...it has to be policed . If not , it would be worse. As regarding parents of black children, I'm nether postulating nor presuming. I'm offering an opinion. And I have discussed it with some black people. Horror, horror , rather than always being devisive I think it is possible to show empathy as parents ( as a category), not simply black or white. There's no need always to emphasise the undoubted black experience of racism , personally as a parent I think the safety of my children is paramount. I offered the same advice to my teenage son , driving a modified, wrapped , lowered, , tinted,VW if stopped by the Police and he gets it. I don't want to debate the whole stop and search/ police bias / black victimisation again....done it many times and I've come to the same conclusion. Of course, your prerogative to differ. I'd hope the same re your last point re being treated fairly, but in the real world people might have cause to believe that they have been treated unjustly by those in authority, no matter how well they have acted , police, teachers, parents, bosses...Police are only human and there may be one or two for whom the power has gone to their head. I guess my point about imagining what I’d say to my child if I were black (which I probably would be if my child was black) is that it’s unimaginable to me really. If I had been born black and grown up in the 70’s/80’s then statistically I’d have almost certainly lived a very different life and have a very different outlook. There’s an incredibly high chance I wouldn’t have had the education or job prospects that I have had, and also a pretty good chance I’d have had some sort of negative experience interacting with police. I would suggest on your part that if you’d been born black, you’d have been substantially less likely to be able to join the police at the time you did. And perhaps you therefore wouldn’t be such an advocate of your children helping them. Thankfully the situation is better these days I think, but still a lot of work to be done clearly All the race stuff that you refer to may well be true, but I think that in many ways those people, particularly white, who keep repeating the same old stuff about as though they ate saying or discovering something new are missing the point and making the issue much much worse. Its as though they believe that they have a unique insight into the situation. I' very done plenty of anti racist work in my time ,particularly in Derbyshire. I believe that it is possible to bridge that gap, to support my original simple point thst empathy between parents , black and white, is possible. There were black police officers in the force ar the same time as me. Obviously those numbers have increased and hopefully the Force in different areas is becoming more representative of the community. I've just been watching the video of Ian Wright , meeting his teacher, Love transcended colour/ Race...empathy and understanding shown between two people. ( And I do know that Ian is a supporter of BLM). And yet he states that his biological dad doesn't even know him. Just my opinion that all too often I believe that, largely white people , are doing more harm than good constantly emphasising differences. It's as though they need to keep on about it to make themselves feel better, instead of trying to find and emphasise ANY commonality whatsoever....which , for the sake of any doubt, is not to say that Racism does not exist. It does. I am aware that there are many reports and evidence that points out a racial bias in stop and search. Personally I am simply giving my opinion on it , which may indeed differ from those findings I am more in agreement with the extract from the Spectator below and the Met's own view, which acknowledges that stop and search should be conducted FAIRLY.....hard to disagree with that, but also claims support from a majority in targeted areas. Of course there are different views, but I'm happy with my current one. I don't feel the need to be persuaded otherwise....and can live with being thought wrong. ................... "I nevertheless felt that it was important that this truth be reflected in any parliamentary statement made by the home secretary. It would certainly be possible to point out that there are many things wrong with stop and search, because there are: it is often implemented badly; those stopped are not given adequate reasons why they are being stopped; they are often treated rudely and without the respect they are entitled to. But on its own, the statistical evidence of the way it is used does not suggest that it is implemented in a racist way. The stop and search race myth | The Spectator www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-stop-and-search-race-myth....... ............ Fair use Since January 2012, stop and searches have fallen by 70% and Section 60 authorities have fallen by 98%. Of the people who were stopped and searched in 2015, 45% were white, 37% black and 14% Asian. Males account for over 90% of all stop and searches. Public complaints arising from stop and search have reduced by 60%. It is important to measure the impact stop and search has on communities and individuals. This is done through both community engagement and community accountability assisted by the comprehensive stop and search data we publish every month. The Met engages with a variety of stakeholders including the Independent Police Complaints Commission, Black Police Association, community leaders and young people. Stop and search: why we use it | The Met www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-us/about-the-met/stop-and-search/This lady has a point of view that doesn't fit easily with other expected viewpoints...but it is her view / And of course. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 21, 2020 6:55:01 GMT
I guess my point about imagining what I’d say to my child if I were black (which I probably would be if my child was black) is that it’s unimaginable to me really. If I had been born black and grown up in the 70’s/80’s then statistically I’d have almost certainly lived a very different life and have a very different outlook. There’s an incredibly high chance I wouldn’t have had the education or job prospects that I have had, and also a pretty good chance I’d have had some sort of negative experience interacting with police. I would suggest on your part that if you’d been born black, you’d have been substantially less likely to be able to join the police at the time you did. And perhaps you therefore wouldn’t be such an advocate of your children helping them. Thankfully the situation is better these days I think, but still a lot of work to be done clearly All the race stuff that you refer to may well be true, but I think that in many ways those people, particularly white, who keep repeating the same old stuff about as though they ate saying or discovering something new are missing the point and making the issue much much worse. Its as though they believe that they have a unique insight into the situation. I' very done plenty of anti racist work in my time ,particularly in Derbyshire. I believe that it is possible to bridge that gap, to support my original simple point thst empathy between parents , black and white, is possible. There were black police officers in the force ar the same time as me. Obviously those numbers have increased and hopefully the Force in different areas is becoming more representative of the community. I've just been watching the video of Ian Wright , meeting his teacher, Love transcended colour/ Race...empathy and understanding shown between two people. ( And I do know that Ian is a supporter of BLM). And yet he states that his biological dad doesn't even know him. Just my opinion that all too often I believe that, largely white people , are doing more harm than good constantly emphasising differences. It's as though they need to keep on about it to make themselves feel better, instead of trying to find and emphasise ANY commonality whatsoever....which , for the sake of any doubt, is not to say that Racism does not exist. It does. I am aware that there are many reports and evidence that points out a racial bias in stop and search. Personally I am simply giving my opinion on it , which may indeed differ from those findings I am more in agreement with the extract from the Spectator below and the Met's own view, which acknowledges that stop and search should be conducted FAIRLY.....hard to disagree with that, but also claims support from a majority in targeted areas. Of course there are different views, but I'm happy with my current one. I don't feel the need to be persuaded otherwise....and can live with being thought wrong. ................... "I nevertheless felt that it was important that this truth be reflected in any parliamentary statement made by the home secretary. It would certainly be possible to point out that there are many things wrong with stop and search, because there are: it is often implemented badly; those stopped are not given adequate reasons why they are being stopped; they are often treated rudely and without the respect they are entitled to. But on its own, the statistical evidence of the way it is used does not suggest that it is implemented in a racist way. The stop and search race myth | The Spectator www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-stop-and-search-race-myth....... ............ Fair use Since January 2012, stop and searches have fallen by 70% and Section 60 authorities have fallen by 98%. Of the people who were stopped and searched in 2015, 45% were white, 37% black and 14% Asian. Males account for over 90% of all stop and searches. Public complaints arising from stop and search have reduced by 60%. It is important to measure the impact stop and search has on communities and individuals. This is done through both community engagement and community accountability assisted by the comprehensive stop and search data we publish every month. The Met engages with a variety of stakeholders including the Independent Police Complaints Commission, Black Police Association, community leaders and young people. Stop and search: why we use it | The Met www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-us/about-the-met/stop-and-search/This lady has a point of view that doesn't fit easily with other expected viewpoints...but it is her view / And of course. Bravo. A brilliant post and bang on the money. It all comes back to us being individuals and that’s how we should be treated. Morals go out the window it seems when colour black or white is involved. It should be about what’s right and what isn’t regardless of colour, religion, gender. You just can’t bracket everyone as being the same. This can often be the case with the Police and certainly after George Floyd where they’re all now depicted as racist thugs, which simply isn’t true: These interpretations are fuelled by the media and the likes of twitter too. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 21, 2020 6:57:45 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Oct 21, 2020 7:12:51 GMT
I guess my point about imagining what I’d say to my child if I were black (which I probably would be if my child was black) is that it’s unimaginable to me really. If I had been born black and grown up in the 70’s/80’s then statistically I’d have almost certainly lived a very different life and have a very different outlook. There’s an incredibly high chance I wouldn’t have had the education or job prospects that I have had, and also a pretty good chance I’d have had some sort of negative experience interacting with police. I would suggest on your part that if you’d been born black, you’d have been substantially less likely to be able to join the police at the time you did. And perhaps you therefore wouldn’t be such an advocate of your children helping them. Thankfully the situation is better these days I think, but still a lot of work to be done clearly All the race stuff that you refer to may well be true, but I think that in many ways those people, particularly white, who keep repeating the same old stuff about as though they ate saying or discovering something new are missing the point and making the issue much much worse. Its as though they believe that they have a unique insight into the situation. I' very done plenty of anti racist work in my time ,particularly in Derbyshire. I believe that it is possible to bridge that gap, to support my original simple point thst empathy between parents , black and white, is possible. There were black police officers in the force ar the same time as me. Obviously those numbers have increased and hopefully the Force in different areas is becoming more representative of the community. I've just been watching the video of Ian Wright , meeting his teacher, Love transcended colour/ Race...empathy and understanding shown between two people. ( And I do know that Ian is a supporter of BLM). And yet he states that his biological dad doesn't even know him. Just my opinion that all too often I believe that, largely white people , are doing more harm than good constantly emphasising differences. It's as though they need to keep on about it to make themselves feel better, instead of trying to find and emphasise ANY commonality whatsoever....which , for the sake of any doubt, is not to say that Racism does not exist. It does. I am aware that there are many reports and evidence that points out a racial bias in stop and search. Personally I am simply giving my opinion on it , which may indeed differ from those findings I am more in agreement with the extract from the Spectator below and the Met's own view, which acknowledges that stop and search should be conducted FAIRLY.....hard to disagree with that, but also claims support from a majority in targeted areas. Of course there are different views, but I'm happy with my current one. I don't feel the need to be persuaded otherwise....and can live with being thought wrong. ................... "I nevertheless felt that it was important that this truth be reflected in any parliamentary statement made by the home secretary. It would certainly be possible to point out that there are many things wrong with stop and search, because there are: it is often implemented badly; those stopped are not given adequate reasons why they are being stopped; they are often treated rudely and without the respect they are entitled to. But on its own, the statistical evidence of the way it is used does not suggest that it is implemented in a racist way. The stop and search race myth | The Spectator www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-stop-and-search-race-myth....... ............ Fair use Since January 2012, stop and searches have fallen by 70% and Section 60 authorities have fallen by 98%. Of the people who were stopped and searched in 2015, 45% were white, 37% black and 14% Asian. Males account for over 90% of all stop and searches. Public complaints arising from stop and search have reduced by 60%. It is important to measure the impact stop and search has on communities and individuals. This is done through both community engagement and community accountability assisted by the comprehensive stop and search data we publish every month. The Met engages with a variety of stakeholders including the Independent Police Complaints Commission, Black Police Association, community leaders and young people. Stop and search: why we use it | The Met www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-us/about-the-met/stop-and-search/This lady has a point of view that doesn't fit easily with other expected viewpoints...but it is her view / And of course. That 45% white etc doesn't account for relative populations of the various races mentioned does it? Wouldn't it be more accurate and informative to give the numbers as a percentage of the population of that group that exists in the country? Obviously it's not the case but, exaggerating for effect, if only 10% of the country were white, that 45% figure wouldn't look very good. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 21, 2020 7:13:42 GMT
All the race stuff that you refer to may well be true, but I think that in many ways those people, particularly white, who keep repeating the same old stuff about as though they ate saying or discovering something new are missing the point and making the issue much much worse. Its as though they believe that they have a unique insight into the situation. I' very done plenty of anti racist work in my time ,particularly in Derbyshire. I believe that it is possible to bridge that gap, to support my original simple point thst empathy between parents , black and white, is possible. There were black police officers in the force ar the same time as me. Obviously those numbers have increased and hopefully the Force in different areas is becoming more representative of the community. I've just been watching the video of Ian Wright , meeting his teacher, Love transcended colour/ Race...empathy and understanding shown between two people. ( And I do know that Ian is a supporter of BLM). And yet he states that his biological dad doesn't even know him. Just my opinion that all too often I believe that, largely white people , are doing more harm than good constantly emphasising differences. It's as though they need to keep on about it to make themselves feel better, instead of trying to find and emphasise ANY commonality whatsoever....which , for the sake of any doubt, is not to say that Racism does not exist. It does. I am aware that there are many reports and evidence that points out a racial bias in stop and search. Personally I am simply giving my opinion on it , which may indeed differ from those findings I am more in agreement with the extract from the Spectator below and the Met's own view, which acknowledges that stop and search should be conducted FAIRLY.....hard to disagree with that, but also claims support from a majority in targeted areas. Of course there are different views, but I'm happy with my current one. I don't feel the need to be persuaded otherwise....and can live with being thought wrong. ................... "I nevertheless felt that it was important that this truth be reflected in any parliamentary statement made by the home secretary. It would certainly be possible to point out that there are many things wrong with stop and search, because there are: it is often implemented badly; those stopped are not given adequate reasons why they are being stopped; they are often treated rudely and without the respect they are entitled to. But on its own, the statistical evidence of the way it is used does not suggest that it is implemented in a racist way. The stop and search race myth | The Spectator www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-stop-and-search-race-myth....... ............ Fair use Since January 2012, stop and searches have fallen by 70% and Section 60 authorities have fallen by 98%. Of the people who were stopped and searched in 2015, 45% were white, 37% black and 14% Asian. Males account for over 90% of all stop and searches. Public complaints arising from stop and search have reduced by 60%. It is important to measure the impact stop and search has on communities and individuals. This is done through both community engagement and community accountability assisted by the comprehensive stop and search data we publish every month. The Met engages with a variety of stakeholders including the Independent Police Complaints Commission, Black Police Association, community leaders and young people. Stop and search: why we use it | The Met www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-us/about-the-met/stop-and-search/This lady has a point of view that doesn't fit easily with other expected viewpoints...but it is her view / And of course. That 45% white etc doesn't account for relative populations of the various races mentioned does it? Wouldn't it be more accurate and informative to give the numbers as a percentage of the population of that group that exists in the country? Obviously it's not the case but, exaggerating for effect, if only 10% of the country were white, that 45% figure wouldn't look very good. I agree Ely |
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Post by mattyd2 on Oct 21, 2020 7:18:24 GMT
All the race stuff that you refer to may well be true, but I think that in many ways those people, particularly white, who keep repeating the same old stuff about as though they ate saying or discovering something new are missing the point and making the issue much much worse. Its as though they believe that they have a unique insight into the situation. I' very done plenty of anti racist work in my time ,particularly in Derbyshire. I believe that it is possible to bridge that gap, to support my original simple point thst empathy between parents , black and white, is possible. There were black police officers in the force ar the same time as me. Obviously those numbers have increased and hopefully the Force in different areas is becoming more representative of the community. I've just been watching the video of Ian Wright , meeting his teacher, Love transcended colour/ Race...empathy and understanding shown between two people. ( And I do know that Ian is a supporter of BLM). And yet he states that his biological dad doesn't even know him. Just my opinion that all too often I believe that, largely white people , are doing more harm than good constantly emphasising differences. It's as though they need to keep on about it to make themselves feel better, instead of trying to find and emphasise ANY commonality whatsoever....which , for the sake of any doubt, is not to say that Racism does not exist. It does. I am aware that there are many reports and evidence that points out a racial bias in stop and search. Personally I am simply giving my opinion on it , which may indeed differ from those findings I am more in agreement with the extract from the Spectator below and the Met's own view, which acknowledges that stop and search should be conducted FAIRLY.....hard to disagree with that, but also claims support from a majority in targeted areas. Of course there are different views, but I'm happy with my current one. I don't feel the need to be persuaded otherwise....and can live with being thought wrong. ................... "I nevertheless felt that it was important that this truth be reflected in any parliamentary statement made by the home secretary. It would certainly be possible to point out that there are many things wrong with stop and search, because there are: it is often implemented badly; those stopped are not given adequate reasons why they are being stopped; they are often treated rudely and without the respect they are entitled to. But on its own, the statistical evidence of the way it is used does not suggest that it is implemented in a racist way. The stop and search race myth | The Spectator www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-stop-and-search-race-myth....... ............ Fair use Since January 2012, stop and searches have fallen by 70% and Section 60 authorities have fallen by 98%. Of the people who were stopped and searched in 2015, 45% were white, 37% black and 14% Asian. Males account for over 90% of all stop and searches. Public complaints arising from stop and search have reduced by 60%. It is important to measure the impact stop and search has on communities and individuals. This is done through both community engagement and community accountability assisted by the comprehensive stop and search data we publish every month. The Met engages with a variety of stakeholders including the Independent Police Complaints Commission, Black Police Association, community leaders and young people. Stop and search: why we use it | The Met www.met.police.uk/police-forces/metropolitan-police/areas/about-us/about-the-met/stop-and-search/This lady has a point of view that doesn't fit easily with other expected viewpoints...but it is her view / And of course. That 45% white etc doesn't account for relative populations of the various races mentioned does it? Wouldn't it be more accurate and informative to give the numbers as a percentage of the population of that group that exists in the country? Obviously it's not the case but, exaggerating for effect, if only 10% of the country were white, that 45% figure wouldn't look very good. Rightly or wrongly it's down to profiling. I have never been stopped and searched, and probably never will, but the fact remains my profile does not fall into the " person of interest" category, and no, that's not racist, it's a fact. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 21, 2020 7:21:13 GMT
That 45% white etc doesn't account for relative populations of the various races mentioned does it? Wouldn't it be more accurate and informative to give the numbers as a percentage of the population of that group that exists in the country? Obviously it's not the case but, exaggerating for effect, if only 10% of the country were white, that 45% figure wouldn't look very good. Rightly or wrongly it's down to profiling. I have never been stopped and searched, and probably never will, but the fact remains my profile does not fall into the " person of interest" category, and no, that's not racist, it's a fact. It probably is, but that's no excuse to manipulate (or should that be misrepresent?) the figures in my opinion. If the truth won't do then there's something wrong. |
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Post by mattyd2 on Oct 21, 2020 7:36:29 GMT
Rightly or wrongly it's down to profiling. I have never been stopped and searched, and probably never will, but the fact remains my profile does not fall into the " person of interest" category, and no, that's not racist, it's a fact. It probably is, but that's no excuse to manipulate (or should that be misrepresent?) the figures in my opinion. If the truth won't do then there's something wrong. What would be interesting though, and I don't know if they publicise these figures, is what percentage of the 45% of whites and 35% of Blacks actually were found to be carrying anything. |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 21, 2020 7:46:09 GMT
It probably is, but that's no excuse to manipulate (or should that be misrepresent?) the figures in my opinion. If the truth won't do then there's something wrong. What would be interesting though, and I don't know if they publicise these figures, is what percentage of the 45% of whites and 35% of Blacks actually were found to be carrying anything. It would indeed, it would also be interesting to read the reasons for the stop and search given to the various groups. Neither of these have anything to do with the way the figures are represented tho. |
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Oct 21, 2020 16:55:36 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 21, 2020 16:55:36 GMT
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Post by franklin on Oct 22, 2020 12:50:59 GMT
Unfortunately that's life today mate they ignore it and counter with waffle and "ah but" they are not worth the time of day. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 29, 2020 22:28:26 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 29, 2020 23:37:26 GMT
Welcome to London. A great city ruined. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 30, 2020 7:22:35 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54739862RIP. Things need to change and immediately before London becomes a no go area. The sad thing is other than a sec60 being bought in when it’s too late nothing changes. They could start by a minimum sentence of 5 years with no exceptions for anyone found carrying any weapon. Drastic action needs taking. It might upset a few do Gooders that have never been affected by it or lived in an area where you don’t feel safe going out but we need to start protecting those not involved in gangs and crime.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 30, 2020 10:52:34 GMT
Take a knee guys.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 30, 2020 12:43:35 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 30, 2020 13:51:40 GMT
Unbelievable Dutch. 5 under 18s and a 78 year old man. I'd like to know the ' reason'. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 30, 2020 13:58:03 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54739862RIP. Things need to change and immediately before London becomes a no go area. The sad thing is other than a sec60 being bought in when it’s too late nothing changes. They could start by a minimum sentence of 5 years with no exceptions for anyone found carrying any weapon. Drastic action needs taking. It might upset a few do Gooders that have never been affected by it or lived in an area where you don’t feel safe going out but we need to start protecting those not involved in gangs and crime. there's a video of this, policeman giving CPR to him outside a supermarket, inside a woman is busy loading her trolley with a very young girl stood at the window watching, all as if it's a normal thing |
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Post by mattyd2 on Oct 30, 2020 15:12:30 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54739862RIP. Things need to change and immediately before London becomes a no go area. The sad thing is other than a sec60 being bought in when it’s too late nothing changes. They could start by a minimum sentence of 5 years with no exceptions for anyone found carrying any weapon. Drastic action needs taking. It might upset a few do Gooders that have never been affected by it or lived in an area where you don’t feel safe going out but we need to start protecting those not involved in gangs and crime. there's a video of this, policeman giving CPR to him outside a supermarket, inside a woman is busy loading her trolley with a very young girl stood at the window watching, all as if it's a normal thing Just another day in the cess pit called London. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 30, 2020 15:15:50 GMT
there's a video of this, policeman giving CPR to him outside a supermarket, inside a woman is busy loading her trolley with a very young girl stood at the window watching, all as if it's a normal thing Just another day in the cess pit called London. I wonder what the “Mayor of London” is doing about this🤔 |
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Post by mattyd2 on Oct 30, 2020 15:41:04 GMT
Just another day in the cess pit called London. I wonder what the “Mayor of London” is doing about this🤔 9/10ths of FUCK ALL |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 30, 2020 15:46:51 GMT
I wonder what the “Mayor of London” is doing about this🤔 9/10ths of FUCK ALL More than usual then😏 |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 30, 2020 17:02:29 GMT
According to some on here it’s all Boris Johnson’s fault. The mayor isn’t accountable. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 30, 2020 17:04:09 GMT
According to some on here it’s all Boris Johnson’s fault. The mayor isn’t accountable. Well they’re wrong |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 30, 2020 20:57:03 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54739862RIP. Things need to change and immediately before London becomes a no go area. The sad thing is other than a sec60 being bought in when it’s too late nothing changes. They could start by a minimum sentence of 5 years with no exceptions for anyone found carrying any weapon. Drastic action needs taking. It might upset a few do Gooders that have never been affected by it or lived in an area where you don’t feel safe going out but we need to start protecting those not involved in gangs and crime. there's a video of this, policeman giving CPR to him outside a supermarket, inside a woman is busy loading her trolley with a very young girl stood at the window watching, all as if it's a normal thing I’m sure the press won’t give the police any credit for trying to save the young lads life with no thought for their own safety. |
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 30, 2020 23:20:05 GMT
Sad fact is, people often act like pricks and don't treat each other right. Drugs & Religion are obviously huge contributors. But until that changes, there is no solution. Humans have been unable to legislate morality and can only enforce it reactively.
But we try... We control the military weapons, they make their own explosives. Take the explosives, they start using guns, take the guns, they start using knives. Take the knives, they start using clubs, take the clubs, it's the infamous Milwall Brick, take the bricks - crap! What the hell just happened? Now nobody can build a house...
Next follows an endless list of things humans utilize to harm each other...
Eventually you're down to taking the hands, then the heads (They'll bite)... then you need protection from your own Government. One day the public might eventually realize...."Gee I gotta quit acting like a prick!"
(From the files of Captain Obvious)
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 31, 2020 10:22:30 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Oct 31, 2020 10:52:27 GMT
According to some on here it’s all Boris Johnson’s fault. The mayor isn’t accountable. Well it's all part and parcel of living in a big city.... |
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Post by thevoid on Oct 31, 2020 10:57:36 GMT
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