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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 7, 2020 19:45:47 GMT
I was talking about the issues in this country but 100 percent re life in prison. The biggest problem is that each side wants to pointscore against each other. Left v right, right v left. All we have is division and hate with the most extreme individuals from each side stoking things up and the media not helping when rather than just reporting the news, putting there own spin on things. It's time that we all learn to get on again put our disagreements aside stop point scoring and start rebuilding relations without predjudice on either side otherwise things wont change. There's just too much hatred around. This bloke is saying a similar thing. / And it really is as simple as that! |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 7, 2020 19:45:48 GMT
I was talking about the issues in this country but 100 percent re life in prison. The biggest problem is that each side wants to pointscore against each other. Left v right, right v left. All we have is division and hate with the most extreme individuals from each side stoking things up and the media not helping when rather than just reporting the news, putting there own spin on things. It's time that we all learn to get on again put our disagreements aside stop point scoring and start rebuilding relations without predjudice on either side otherwise things wont change. There's just too much hatred around. This bloke is saying a similar thing. / It needs to be said. Well said that man. More people need to start saying I've had enough of all this bitching and back biting and move on and start rebuilding relationships. Politics has broken too many friendships. The media need to play a part in this as theyre one of the biggest problem they need to stick to just reporting news. Sport too needs to play a part and stop being so political and look at replacing hatred with friendship. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 7, 2020 19:47:31 GMT
This bloke is saying a similar thing. / It needs to be said. Well said that man. More people need to start saying I've had enough of all this bitching and back biting and move on and start rebuilding relationships. Politics has broken too many friendships. The media need to play a part in this as theyre one of the biggest problem they need to stick to just reporting news. Sport too needs to play a part and stop being so political and look at replacing hatred with friendship. The media in this whole thing has been nothing short of disgusting, building hatred and division whilst 99% of the population are with that guy on the video |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 0:04:41 GMT
When I see a massive disproportionate amount of violence I'd say tends to fall into: 1) drugs. 2) religion of peace. 3) the bame communitaaay. 4) bird troubles. All the above apart bird troubles caused by society and tories. The police have no balls either. So which bit is the fault of the tories I was joking that at the minute it seems OK to have no self reflection or responsibility. So it's easier for people rather to look inwards blame tories and racists for most things wrong on the world and it's getting ridiculous |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 0:09:31 GMT
When I see a massive disproportionate amount of violence I'd say tends to fall into: 1) drugs. 2) religion of peace. 3) the bame communitaaay. 4) bird troubles. All the above apart bird troubles caused by society and tories. The police have no balls either. Balls? How do you mean? That comes across wrong police obviously do not lack balls as I couldn't do the job. What I mean is various governments who through cuts, insane liberalism and getting shit and videod for basic arrests. seem as an institution to be powerless social workers shit scared to do anything about anything.... Unless major crime, the daily scenes outside salvation army and stoke in general prove it |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 8, 2020 8:30:35 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 8, 2020 10:35:43 GMT
Terrorism?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2020 11:50:38 GMT
Our "authorities" have ruled it out so quite possibly, they have also ruled out homophobic and racial so it could also be any of them, I think we will be in a better position to judge when and if they identify the three who were allegedly shielding the scum bag. |
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Post by kingdaz on Sept 8, 2020 21:12:29 GMT
Are the socialists going to protest against stabbing any time soon??
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 8, 2020 21:17:56 GMT
Suspect charged.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 8, 2020 21:21:10 GMT
How about his pals? Have they been charged? |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 8, 2020 21:33:12 GMT
How about his pals? Have they been charged? Doesn’t say. Apparently he was released from prison 3 months ago. Apparent mental health issues. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2020 21:43:08 GMT
Zephaniah McLeod fucking scum bag mental health issues  why the fcuk was he released the law in this country is an absolute joke, no mention of any one else involved. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Sept 8, 2020 22:26:37 GMT
Zephaniah McLeod fucking scum bag mental health issues why the fcuk was he released the law in this country is an absolute joke, no mention of any one else involved. There’s only one person to blame for this. Him. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 18, 2020 21:01:58 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 18, 2020 21:18:20 GMT
Very sad. No doubt the police will be met by a wall of silence then blamed when no arrests are made. This is becoming a real problem in this country. Should be a minimum sentence of 10 years for anyone to be involved in this type of incident. Things won’t get better till the perpetrators are taken off the streets and Police are allowed to do their job and search anybody they believe is carrying a weapon or drugs. |
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Post by thevoid on Oct 18, 2020 21:38:54 GMT
Very sad. No doubt the police will be met by a wall of silence then blamed when no arrests are made. This is becoming a real problem in this country. Should be a minimum sentence of 10 years for anyone to be involved in this type of incident. Things won’t get better till the perpetrators are taken off the streets and Police are allowed to do their job and search anybody they believe is carrying a weapon or drugs. The same goes for anyone who attacks paramedics/fire fighters. Totally unacceptable. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 18, 2020 21:51:32 GMT
Very sad. No doubt the police will be met by a wall of silence then blamed when no arrests are made. This is becoming a real problem in this country. Should be a minimum sentence of 10 years for anyone to be involved in this type of incident. Things won’t get better till the perpetrators are taken off the streets and Police are allowed to do their job and search anybody they believe is carrying a weapon or drugs. Police already can and do do this. The issue is there are 10,000 fewer of them to do it than there were 10 years ago  |
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Post by bucknall67 on Oct 18, 2020 21:59:40 GMT
The 4 will probably give up little information.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 18, 2020 22:10:56 GMT
Very sad. No doubt the police will be met by a wall of silence then blamed when no arrests are made. This is becoming a real problem in this country. Should be a minimum sentence of 10 years for anyone to be involved in this type of incident. Things won’t get better till the perpetrators are taken off the streets and Police are allowed to do their job and search anybody they believe is carrying a weapon or drugs. Police already can and do do this. The issue is there are 10,000 fewer of them to do it than there were 10 years ago Not without being filmed then scrutinised by the press before being hung out to dry by their bosses. Though numbers clearly have something to do with it. The press are a disgrace in the their total lack of support of the Police even going to the extreme of actively looking for negative stories about them. There’s a fear now in officers that stops them policing because they’re terrified of being front page news or all over YouTube. It’s not what they sign up for. You speak to most officers and they either join to stop the bad guys or help people. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 20, 2020 16:29:03 GMT
Police already can and do do this. The issue is there are 10,000 fewer of them to do it than there were 10 years ago Not without being filmed then scrutinised by the press before being hung out to dry by their bosses. Though numbers clearly have something to do with it. The press are a disgrace in the their total lack of support of the Police even going to the extreme of actively looking for negative stories about them. There’s a fear now in officers that stops them policing because they’re terrified of being front page news or all over YouTube. It’s not what they sign up for. You speak to most officers and they either join to stop the bad guys or help people. With all due respect, none of that is based in fact. It smacks of trying to find some pretty far fetched excuses to absolve the Conservative Party from the lion’s share of the blame, which they clearly deserve for laying off so many police officers. And even if the press were so much to blame (which they’re not), they do have a recognised public duty to hold those in power - including the police - to account. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 20, 2020 16:45:05 GMT
Not without being filmed then scrutinised by the press before being hung out to dry by their bosses. Though numbers clearly have something to do with it. The press are a disgrace in the their total lack of support of the Police even going to the extreme of actively looking for negative stories about them. There’s a fear now in officers that stops them policing because they’re terrified of being front page news or all over YouTube. It’s not what they sign up for. You speak to most officers and they either join to stop the bad guys or help people. With all due respect, none of that is based in fact. It smacks of trying to find some pretty far fetched excuses to absolve the Conservative Party from the lion’s share of the blame, which they clearly deserve for laying off so many police officers. And even if the press were so much to blame (which they’re not), they do have a recognised public duty to hold those in power - including the police - to account. In your opinion. I don’t disagree with the press if they were balanced in there reporting. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 20, 2020 17:21:54 GMT
With all due respect, none of that is based in fact. It smacks of trying to find some pretty far fetched excuses to absolve the Conservative Party from the lion’s share of the blame, which they clearly deserve for laying off so many police officers. And even if the press were so much to blame (which they’re not), they do have a recognised public duty to hold those in power - including the police - to account. In your opinion. I don’t disagree with the press if they were balanced in there reporting. No mate it’s not my opinion. It is fact that police officers were laid off. Actually it was 20,000, not 10,000. The rest is opinion, including your entire previous post |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 20, 2020 17:25:31 GMT
In your opinion. I don’t disagree with the press if they were balanced in there reporting. No mate it’s not my opinion. It is fact that police officers were laid off. Actually it was 20,000, not 10,000. The rest is opinion, including your entire previous post I agree re the cuts and Mrs May should be ashamed but I stand by my opinion re the press. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 20, 2020 18:18:52 GMT
In your opinion. I don’t disagree with the press if they were balanced in there reporting. No mate it’s not my opinion. It is fact that police officers were laid off. Actually it was 20,000, not 10,000. The rest is opinion, including your entire previous post I never thought that I'd agree with you on anything Vokesy, but I do on Police cuts. Made worse in times when there are more demands on the Police than ever....knife crime, historical crimes, on line/ internet crimes, new categories of hate crime etc. That's one good reason for questioning the philosophy and Politics of BLM and " defund the police "....the phrase may not mean exactly what it seems, but a stupid phrase nevertheless. We as a country may be heading for great problems unless we get a grip....and the route to it may be a move away from the left/ right shortermism. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 20, 2020 18:35:54 GMT
No mate it’s not my opinion. It is fact that police officers were laid off. Actually it was 20,000, not 10,000. The rest is opinion, including your entire previous post I never thought that I'd agree with you on anything Vokesy, but I do on Police cuts. Made worse in times when there are more demands on the Police than ever....knife crime, historical crimes, on line/ internet crimes, new categories of hate crime etc. That's one good reason for questioning the philosophy and Politics of BLM and " defund the police "....the phrase may not mean exactly what it seems, but a stupid phrase nevertheless. We as a country may be heading for great problems unless we get a grip....and the route to it may be a move away from the left/ right shortermism. I think I’m going one further than you John and actually suggesting that various crimes you’ve highlighted there are directly attributable to not having enough bobbies on the beat. You can’t lay off 20,000 police officers and it make no difference to crime levels. Where I don’t think the police particularly help themselves is when they invest huge proportions of their resources - which we’re all agreed are too limited - in trying to catch people for speeding, breaking lockdown and so on. It sends out all the wrong signals. They also need to be more intelligent about stop and search somehow because it’s only with the collaboration and trust of all communities that they’re going to beat stuff like knife crime. They can be as fearless as they like, if whole communities think they’re racist and won’t work with them, they’ll never get very far 👍 |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 20, 2020 18:46:34 GMT
I never thought that I'd agree with you on anything Vokesy, but I do on Police cuts. Made worse in times when there are more demands on the Police than ever....knife crime, historical crimes, on line/ internet crimes, new categories of hate crime etc. That's one good reason for questioning the philosophy and Politics of BLM and " defund the police "....the phrase may not mean exactly what it seems, but a stupid phrase nevertheless. We as a country may be heading for great problems unless we get a grip....and the route to it may be a move away from the left/ right shortermism. I think I’m going one further than you John and actually suggesting that various crimes you’ve highlighted there are directly attributable to not having enough bobbies on the beat. You can’t lay off 20,000 police officers and it make no difference to crime levels. Where I don’t think the police particularly help themselves is when they invest huge proportions of their resources - which we’re all agreed are too limited - in trying to catch people for speeding, breaking lockdown and so on. It sends out all the wrong signals. They also need to be more intelligent about stop and search somehow because it’s only with the collaboration and trust of all communities that they’re going to beat stuff like knife crime. They can be as fearless as they like, if whole communities think they’re racist and won’t work with them, they’ll never get very far 👍 On a simple level, when I was in the Police Force in the early 80s we were stretched then....but I was able to walk the beat in Stoke, Penkhull, Hartshill, Trent Vale etc and people did tell me things that were going on in the community. Some of the teenagers did know my first name and I actually started a youth club with them. But , when you mention speeding/ Road traffic unfortunately I do think that is an important ( no more nor less than others) part of " policing". Speed does kill as does dangerous/ drink driving and I think it might be surprising how many "stops" of cars that " look suspicious " lead to other discoveries. In my opinion, GIVEN THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFSIRS, in certain areas I would increase stop and search. If I was a parent of a black child I would be more concerned that my teenager might become a victim of or involved in crime. In the vast majority of cases if the Police are treated ok, the person stopped is treated ok. Which doesn't mean that other aspects of disadvantage or crime prevention should not go on in communities alongside policing. |
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 20, 2020 19:59:41 GMT
I think I’m going one further than you John and actually suggesting that various crimes you’ve highlighted there are directly attributable to not having enough bobbies on the beat. You can’t lay off 20,000 police officers and it make no difference to crime levels. Where I don’t think the police particularly help themselves is when they invest huge proportions of their resources - which we’re all agreed are too limited - in trying to catch people for speeding, breaking lockdown and so on. It sends out all the wrong signals. They also need to be more intelligent about stop and search somehow because it’s only with the collaboration and trust of all communities that they’re going to beat stuff like knife crime. They can be as fearless as they like, if whole communities think they’re racist and won’t work with them, they’ll never get very far 👍 On a simple level, when I was in the Police Force in the early 80s we were stretched then....but I was able to walk the beat in Stoke, Penkhull, Hartshill, Trent Vale etc and people did tell me things that were going on in the community. Some of the teenagers did know my first name and I actually started a youth club with them. But , when you mention speeding/ Road traffic unfortunately I do think that is an important ( no more nor less than others) part of " policing". Speed does kill as does dangerous/ drink driving and I think it might be surprising how many "stops" of cars that " look suspicious " lead to other discoveries. In my opinion, GIVEN THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFSIRS, in certain areas I would increase stop and search. If I was a parent of a black child I would be more concerned that my teenager might become a victim of or involved in crime. In the vast majority of cases if the Police are treated ok, the person stopped is treated ok. Which doesn't mean that other aspects of disadvantage or crime prevention should not go on in communities alongside policing. I’m not talking about stopping cars that look suspicious etc though John. I’m talking about radar traps, fining people for breaking lockdown and so on. I’m sorry but whichever way you look at it, that is simply not as important as other forms of crime. It’s a waste of precious resources. Whilst it’s all very well and good to postulate what you or I might do if we were the parents of black children, the simple fact of the matter is that we’re not. Neither of us can possibly know what it is to be black. I wouldn’t presume to know what that lived experience is like. I find this wording of your post slightly concerning: “In the vast majority of cases if the Police are treated ok, the person stopped is treated ok” I would hope that if the police are treated okay, the person stopped is always treated okay All that said, I think we’re fundamentally agreed that there should be more bobbies on the beat. That would certainly help combat violent crime I think. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 20, 2020 20:20:43 GMT
On a simple level, when I was in the Police Force in the early 80s we were stretched then....but I was able to walk the beat in Stoke, Penkhull, Hartshill, Trent Vale etc and people did tell me things that were going on in the community. Some of the teenagers did know my first name and I actually started a youth club with them. But , when you mention speeding/ Road traffic unfortunately I do think that is an important ( no more nor less than others) part of " policing". Speed does kill as does dangerous/ drink driving and I think it might be surprising how many "stops" of cars that " look suspicious " lead to other discoveries. In my opinion, GIVEN THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFSIRS, in certain areas I would increase stop and search. If I was a parent of a black child I would be more concerned that my teenager might become a victim of or involved in crime. In the vast majority of cases if the Police are treated ok, the person stopped is treated ok. Which doesn't mean that other aspects of disadvantage or crime prevention should not go on in communities alongside policing. I’m not talking about stopping cars that look suspicious etc though John. I’m talking about radar traps, fining people for breaking lockdown and so on. I’m sorry but whichever way you look at it, that is simply not as important as other forms of crime. It’s a waste of precious resources. Whilst it’s all very well and good to postulate what you or I might do if we were the parents of black children, the simple fact of the matter is that we’re not. Neither of us can possibly know what it is to be black. I wouldn’t presume to know what that lived experience is like. I find this wording of your post slightly concerning: “In the vast majority of cases if the Police are treated ok, the person stopped is treated ok” I would hope that if the police are treated okay, the person stopped is always treated okay All that said, I think we’re fundamentally agreed that there should be more bobbies on the beat. That would certainly help combat violent crime I think. Ok, we do disagree, slightly. When I joined it was made clear that I was signing up to " protect life and property " There are many deaths and injuries caused by traffic/ cars/ speeding...it has to be policed . If not , it would be worse. As regarding parents of black children, I'm nether postulating nor presuming. I'm offering an opinion. And I have discussed it with some black people. Horror, horror , rather than always being devisive I think it is possible to show empathy as parents ( as a category), not simply black or white. There's no need always to emphasise the undoubted black experience of racism , personally as a parent I think the safety of my children is paramount. I offered the same advice to my teenage son , driving a modified, wrapped , lowered, , tinted,VW if stopped by the Police and he gets it. I don't want to debate the whole stop and search/ police bias / black victimisation again....done it many times and I've come to the same conclusion. Of course, your prerogative to differ. I'd hope the same re your last point re being treated fairly, but in the real world people might have cause to believe that they have been treated unjustly by those in authority, no matter how well they have acted , police, teachers, parents, bosses...Police are only human and there may be one or two for whom the power has gone to their head. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 20, 2020 20:27:00 GMT
I’m not talking about stopping cars that look suspicious etc though John. I’m talking about radar traps, fining people for breaking lockdown and so on. I’m sorry but whichever way you look at it, that is simply not as important as other forms of crime. It’s a waste of precious resources. Whilst it’s all very well and good to postulate what you or I might do if we were the parents of black children, the simple fact of the matter is that we’re not. Neither of us can possibly know what it is to be black. I wouldn’t presume to know what that lived experience is like. I find this wording of your post slightly concerning: “In the vast majority of cases if the Police are treated ok, the person stopped is treated ok” I would hope that if the police are treated okay, the person stopped is always treated okay All that said, I think we’re fundamentally agreed that there should be more bobbies on the beat. That would certainly help combat violent crime I think. Ok, we do disagree, slightly. When I joined it was made clear that I was signing up to " protect life and property " There are many deaths and injuries caused by traffic/ cars/ speeding...it has to be policed . If not , it would be worse. As regarding parents of black children, I'm nether postulating nor presuming. I'm offering an opinion. And I have discussed it with some black people. Horror, horror , rather than always being decisive I think it is possible to show empathy as parents ( as a category), not simply black or white. There's no need always to emphasise the undoubted black experience of racism , personally as a parent I think the safety of my children is paramount. I offered the same advice to my teenage son , driving a modified, wrapped , lowered, , tinted,VW if stopped by the Police and he gets it. I don't want to debate the whole stop and search/ police bias / black victimisation again....done it many times and I've come to the same conclusion. Of course, your prerogative to differ. I'd hope the same re your last point but in the real world people might have cause that they have been treated unjustly by those in authority, no matter how well they have acted , police, teachers, parents, bosses...Police are only human and there may be one or two for whom the power has gone to their head. Some excellent posts from you both there. Just proving you can have a decent debate on here. Some great stuff re community Bobbies and getting into the community it’s definately the way forward. Continuity and building up relationships is so important. |
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