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Aug 14, 2024 13:22:25 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 14, 2024 13:22:25 GMT
In terms of the sentences being given out for the recent riots this article is quite helpful www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czdpnn88n2pt?post=asset%3A405eb901-3457-45d0-8c54-4cca38616aba#postTo date people have been charged with violent disorder which carries a maximum sentence of 5 years. Everyone to date has pleaded guilty and only one person has been sentenced for 3 years and 4 which is the maximum they can receive if they plead guilty. If anything actual sentencing in terms of sentencing policy has been lenient. Surprisingly no one to date has been charged with rioting which carries a maximum 10 year sentence. And before someone says it sentencing policy for violent disorder and rioting has fuck all to do with sentencing policy for paedophilia. If it did why didnt those charged to date have the good sense to claim they did what they did because they are paedophiles and therefore deserving of a shorter sentence?
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Aug 14, 2024 13:32:08 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 14, 2024 13:32:08 GMT
In terms of the sentences being given out for the recent riots this article is quite helpful www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/czdpnn88n2pt?post=asset%3A405eb901-3457-45d0-8c54-4cca38616aba#postTo date people have been charged with violent disorder which carries a maximum sentence of 5 years. Everyone to date has pleaded guilty and only one person has been sentenced for 3 years and 4 which is the maximum they can receive if they plead guilty. If anything actual sentencing in terms of sentencing policy has been lenient. Surprisingly no one to date has been charged with rioting which carries a maximum 10 year sentence. And before someone says it sentencing policy for violent disorder and rioting has fuck all to do with sentencing policy for paedophilia. If it did why didnt those charged to date have the good sense to claim they did what they did because they are paedophiles and therefore deserving of a shorter sentence? Cos it would add another crime onto the one they already did and they'd get another 3 months added for being a dirty scumbag paedo đ And you'd get yer windows kicked in đ
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Post by scfc1863 on Aug 14, 2024 15:07:00 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 14, 2024 16:00:49 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 14, 2024 16:42:55 GMT
Itâs funny that those that moan the most have taken the most from the system. The âI pay your wagesâ to the police is a classic when theyâve never paid for anything in their lives.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 14, 2024 17:11:26 GMT
Itâs funny that those that moan the most have taken the most from the system. The âI pay your wagesâ to the police is a classic when theyâve never paid for anything in their lives. My favourite is the critics of Social Housing who get the Housing and Council Tax benefits paid for them.
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Aug 14, 2024 18:51:11 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 14, 2024 18:51:11 GMT
Itâs funny that those that moan the most have taken the most from the system. The âI pay your wagesâ to the police is a classic when theyâve never paid for anything in their lives. My favourite is the critics of Social Housing who get the Housing and Council Tax benefits paid for them. I am not saying there are no examples of such critics. But I am struggling to remember who they are. Fair play if you can remind us.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 14, 2024 19:06:21 GMT
My favourite is the critics of Social Housing who get the Housing and Council Tax benefits paid for them. I am not saying there are no examples of such critics. But I am struggling to remember who they are. Fair play if you can remind us. Having worked indirectly with local housing I can assure you there are plenty.
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Aug 14, 2024 19:28:50 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 14, 2024 19:28:50 GMT
I am not saying there are no examples of such critics. But I am struggling to remember who they are. Fair play if you can remind us. Having worked indirectly with local housing I can assure you there are plenty. I'll take your word for it as it's something I have no experience of. But given your expertise I would be interested to know what sort of proportion (of those in receipt of benefits) are also critics of social housing?
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Aug 14, 2024 19:31:05 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 14, 2024 19:31:05 GMT
Having worked indirectly with local housing I can assure you there are plenty. I'll take your word for it as it's something I have no experience of. But given your expertise I would be interested to know what sort of proportion (of those in receipt of benefits) are also critics of social housing? When you've worked in it a surprising amount.
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Aug 14, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 14, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
I'll take your word for it as it's something I have no experience of. But given your expertise I would be interested to know what sort of proportion (of those in receipt of benefits) are also critics of social housing? When you've worked in it a surprising amount. In absolute terms I imagine it might be. But I haven't worked in it. So what would it be as a proportion?
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Aug 14, 2024 21:36:30 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 14, 2024 21:36:30 GMT
Having worked indirectly with local housing I can assure you there are plenty. I'll take your word for it as it's something I have no experience of. But given your expertise I would be interested to know what sort of proportion (of those in receipt of benefits) are also critics of social housing? Iâd have to ask my friend but I know thereâs plenty as they were always moaning about them.
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Aug 14, 2024 22:00:04 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 14, 2024 22:00:04 GMT
I'll take your word for it as it's something I have no experience of. But given your expertise I would be interested to know what sort of proportion (of those in receipt of benefits) are also critics of social housing? Iâd have to ask my friend but I know thereâs plenty as they were always moaning about them. Phone that friend!
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Post by Gods on Aug 14, 2024 22:53:45 GMT
Keyboard warriors getting jailed for longer than rapists
There but for the grace of God.
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Aug 15, 2024 5:51:02 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 15, 2024 5:51:02 GMT
Keyboard warriors getting jailed for longer than rapists There but for the grace of God. Which one are you?
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Post by knype on Aug 15, 2024 6:19:58 GMT
Keyboard warriors getting jailed for longer than rapists There but for the grace of God. Welcome to Keir Stalin's England!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 15, 2024 6:38:08 GMT
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Post by knype on Aug 15, 2024 8:37:24 GMT
Don't need to read that, its on show every single day all over the country!
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Post by Veritas on Aug 15, 2024 8:48:50 GMT
Keyboard warriors getting jailed for longer than rapists There but for the grace of God. Keyboard Warrior aka incitement to kill
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 15, 2024 9:27:43 GMT
Keyboard warriors getting jailed for longer than rapists There but for the grace of God. Keyboard Warrior aka incitement to kill Aye, posting that "mosques need to be burned down with the men inside them" is a little bit more than just a keyboard warrior. You can compare sentences all you want, but whataboutery doesn't always cut it - people also need to be held responsible for their actions and just not be such dickheads.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 15, 2024 10:12:44 GMT
Just as the Just Stop Oil sentences were an absolute disgrace, so are the sentences being dished out to a number of people spewing out anti-Muslim rhetoric even though what theyâre saying is abhorrent. If ever there was a case for giving these people community service and putting them into those very areas they spout bigotry about them this is surely it. You wonât build bridges and rehabilitate ignorant people by throwing them in prison.
There are exceptions of course but the majority of 12-24 month sentences Iâve seen given are draconian beyond beliefâŚ..
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 15, 2024 10:15:15 GMT
Don't need to read that, its on show every single day all over the country! I had a feeling you wouldn't.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 15, 2024 10:37:27 GMT
Just as the Just Stop Oil sentences were an absolute disgrace, so are the sentences being dished out to a number of people dishing out anti-Muslim rhetoric even though I abhor what theyâre saying. If ever there was a case for giving these people community service and putting them into those very areas they spout bigotry about them this is surely it. You wonât build bridges and rehabilitate ignorant people by throwing them in prison. There are exceptions of course but the majority of 12-24 month sentences Iâve seen given are draconian beyond beliefâŚ.. I agree, particularly people who have to care for others like the woman that got 16 months, community service and curfew by tag etc seems far more sensible and would still send out the required message imo.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 15, 2024 10:40:08 GMT
Just as the Just Stop Oil sentences were an absolute disgrace, so are the sentences being dished out to a number of people dishing out anti-Muslim rhetoric even though I abhor what theyâre saying. If ever there was a case for giving these people community service and putting them into those very areas they spout bigotry about them this is surely it. You wonât build bridges and rehabilitate ignorant people by throwing them in prison. There are exceptions of course but the majority of 12-24 month sentences Iâve seen given are draconian beyond beliefâŚ.. Very balanced overview from you prestwich. Thereâs no defending some of the things these people have been posting; âburn down mosques with men insideâ is unambiguously hate speech. However, this authoritarian clampdown by the new government disturbs me. Surely long community service sentences wouldâve been the ideal way to deal with all these protesters (on either side) because the fact is, no matter what people think of their views, there is a commonality between both JSO and many (not all) of the anti-immigrant protesters; they see their respective issues as existential. I donât see how these tough sentences do anything but push the issues underground and promote a deepening of extremism. If anything it just gives validity to the belief that they are persecuted by their own government. An overhaul of the community service system and having these people serve there wouldâve surely been almost unanimously well received? I suspect how starmer has tackled this might turn out to be throwing fuel on the fire rather than suppressing it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 15, 2024 10:48:29 GMT
Do you know what, none of that should even need explaining. Every single bit of it is simple logic, if you can manage to consider it without an agenda of course.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 15, 2024 11:33:47 GMT
Just as the Just Stop Oil sentences were an absolute disgrace, so are the sentences being dished out to a number of people dishing out anti-Muslim rhetoric even though I abhor what theyâre saying. If ever there was a case for giving these people community service and putting them into those very areas they spout bigotry about them this is surely it. You wonât build bridges and rehabilitate ignorant people by throwing them in prison. There are exceptions of course but the majority of 12-24 month sentences Iâve seen given are draconian beyond beliefâŚ.. Very balanced overview from you prestwich. Thereâs no defending some of the things these people have been posting; âburn down mosques with men insideâ is unambiguously hate speech. However, this authoritarian clampdown by the new government disturbs me. Surely long community service sentences wouldâve been the ideal way to deal with all these protesters (on either side) because the fact is, no matter what people think of their views, there is a commonality between both JSO and many (not all) of the anti-immigrant protesters; they see their respective issues as existential. I donât see how these tough sentences do anything but push the issues underground and promote a deepening of extremism. If anything it just gives validity to the belief that they are persecuted by their own government. An overhaul of the community service system and having these people serve there wouldâve surely been almost unanimously well received? I suspect how starmer has tackled this might turn out to be throwing fuel on the fire rather than suppressing it. Itâs becoming clearer by the week that Starmer is an authoritarian, be interesting to see how that pans out over the next few years..âŚâŚ
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Post by foster on Aug 15, 2024 18:11:43 GMT
Very balanced overview from you prestwich. Thereâs no defending some of the things these people have been posting; âburn down mosques with men insideâ is unambiguously hate speech. However, this authoritarian clampdown by the new government disturbs me. Surely long community service sentences wouldâve been the ideal way to deal with all these protesters (on either side) because the fact is, no matter what people think of their views, there is a commonality between both JSO and many (not all) of the anti-immigrant protesters; they see their respective issues as existential. I donât see how these tough sentences do anything but push the issues underground and promote a deepening of extremism. If anything it just gives validity to the belief that they are persecuted by their own government. An overhaul of the community service system and having these people serve there wouldâve surely been almost unanimously well received? I suspect how starmer has tackled this might turn out to be throwing fuel on the fire rather than suppressing it. Itâs becoming clearer by the week that Starmer is an authoritarian, be interesting to see how that pans out over the next few years..âŚâŚ Whatever costs the govt money or gives them positive spin gets you a sentence. The more money or the more positive spin, gets you a longer sentence.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 15, 2024 19:22:12 GMT
so somebody who fucks up a dustbin deserves a harsher penalty than someone who fucks up a child ? yeah , i can see where you're coming from . Error...no. I'm saying reducing the sentence for rioting doesn't solve the problem of too lenient sentences for pardophiles. It's a ridiculous argument. Why are the right obsessed with pardophiles? Is it because if you include "paedophile" in a discussion anything you do can't possibly be that bad and anyone who argues with what you say must be pro paedophilia? It's more simple than that, there are a select few who are unable to hold more than one thought in their brain at one time.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 16, 2024 0:10:42 GMT
Error...no. I'm saying reducing the sentence for rioting doesn't solve the problem of too lenient sentences for pardophiles. It's a ridiculous argument. Why are the right obsessed with pardophiles? Is it because if you include "paedophile" in a discussion anything you do can't possibly be that bad and anyone who argues with what you say must be pro paedophilia? It's more simple than that, there are a select few who are unable to hold more than one thought in their brain at one time. Ah so if someone thinks differently to you then they are stupid. That old chestnut.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 16, 2024 4:57:00 GMT
Keyboard warriors getting jailed for longer than rapists There but for the grace of God. Welcome to Keir Stalin's England! What was it you said again on the Stop Oil thread about the sentencing they received?
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