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Post by knype on Aug 16, 2024 6:31:27 GMT
Welcome to Keir Stalin's England! What was it you said again on the Stop Oil thread about the sentencing they received? The ones sentenced endangered lives and the jail sentence was correct, as is the same for those caught fire bombing a hotel in this case, but sharing misinformation? Come on...
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Post by salopstick on Aug 16, 2024 7:01:20 GMT
Very balanced overview from you prestwich. There’s no defending some of the things these people have been posting; “burn down mosques with men inside” is unambiguously hate speech. However, this authoritarian clampdown by the new government disturbs me. Surely long community service sentences would’ve been the ideal way to deal with all these protesters (on either side) because the fact is, no matter what people think of their views, there is a commonality between both JSO and many (not all) of the anti-immigrant protesters; they see their respective issues as existential. I don’t see how these tough sentences do anything but push the issues underground and promote a deepening of extremism. If anything it just gives validity to the belief that they are persecuted by their own government. An overhaul of the community service system and having these people serve there would’ve surely been almost unanimously well received? I suspect how starmer has tackled this might turn out to be throwing fuel on the fire rather than suppressing it. It’s becoming clearer by the week that Starmer is an authoritarian, be interesting to see how that pans out over the next few years..…… did he purposley create prison spaces for just an event?
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Post by salopstick on Aug 16, 2024 11:52:51 GMT
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2024 19:28:17 GMT
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Post by frasier37 on Aug 17, 2024 20:02:18 GMT
The media for creating the shit in peoples heads
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 18, 2024 8:40:05 GMT
It's a nothing incident. Two groups of people exercising their right to protest and slinging a few insults at each other. No one was hurt and no property damaged. In terms of who is perceived as the good or bad guys its purely down to your personal politics. I align myself with the counter protesters but in this case the anti immigration protesters didn't seem to do anything bad - they just expressed an opinion I don't agree with.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 18, 2024 8:52:22 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 18, 2024 9:21:11 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 18, 2024 10:49:14 GMT
Why have you posted this link on this thread Phil?
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 18, 2024 12:43:15 GMT
Unless there’s more to this than the two screenshots there, how the hell has he been sent to prison? The first screenshot of his profile contains absolutely nothing incriminating and yet is described as “vile filfh” ….. The second screenshot contains some quotes that could be construed as ambiguous. Is he supporting rioting or protest? People who actually blindly support all of these authoritarian clampdowns need to do some serious soul searching, because in a few short years you could find the boot is on the other foot. And if you celebrated what is feeling more and more like political persecution, then don’t be surprised if there’s vengeful people celebrating if they come for you. It’s starting to feel like a big part of this is starmer’s government fighting against musk’s Twitter now that the platform itself is no longer deeply partisan.
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Post by knype on Aug 18, 2024 17:00:28 GMT
Unless there’s more to this than the two screenshots there, how the hell has he been sent to prison? The first screenshot of his profile contains absolutely nothing incriminating and yet is described as “vile filfh” ….. The second screenshot contains some quotes that could be construed as ambiguous. Is he supporting rioting or protest? People who actually blindly support all of these authoritarian clampdowns need to do some serious soul searching, because in a few short years you could find the boot is on the other foot. And if you celebrated what is feeling more and more like political persecution, then don’t be surprised if there’s vengeful people celebrating if they come for you. It’s starting to feel like a big part of this is starmer’s government fighting against musk’s Twitter now that the platform itself is no longer deeply partisan. It'd Keir Stalin's approach to a commie regime
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Post by starkiller on Aug 18, 2024 17:59:01 GMT
Why has Ricky Jones, the Labour councillor, not been charged or fast tracked through the Stalin courts?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 18, 2024 19:30:18 GMT
Why has Ricky Jones, the Labour councillor, not been charged or fast tracked through the Stalin courts? Probably because he has good contacts and someone to chuck him a few quid to put up some kind of defence. Poverty striken working class folk don't have that luxury so have to bend over and do their time.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 18, 2024 20:14:09 GMT
Why has Ricky Jones, the Labour councillor, not been charged or fast tracked through the Stalin courts? Can't believe this question is STILL being asked ... 1. He HAS been charged. 2. The people who have been fast tracked, are the ones who have pleaded guilty. You can't just convict people who haven't pleaded guilty, there has to be a trial first. 🤦♂️
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Post by werrington on Aug 19, 2024 4:51:18 GMT
Why has Ricky Jones, the Labour councillor, not been charged or fast tracked through the Stalin courts? There are no Stalin courts It’s easier if you understand how the justice system works as it’s the same for everybody charged with a criminal offence It’s also worth pointing out that he’s currently banged up on remand and is indeed in prison awaiting his trial and not going about his daily business like you and I It’s mindblowing that people just spout off ( not you personally ) without 1, knowing how the law works and 2, not doing a little bit of research www.bbc.com/news/articles/credz9gl92yo
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Post by werrington on Aug 19, 2024 4:55:21 GMT
Why has Ricky Jones, the Labour councillor, not been charged or fast tracked through the Stalin courts? Probably because he has good contacts and someone to chuck him a few quid to put up some kind of defence. Poverty striken working class folk don't have that luxury so have to bend over and do their time. www.bbc.com/news/articles/credz9gl92yo
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 19, 2024 5:04:07 GMT
Why has Ricky Jones, the Labour councillor, not been charged or fast tracked through the Stalin courts? Can't believe this question is STILL being asked ... 1. He HAS been charged. 2. The people who have been fast tracked, are the ones who have pleaded guilty. You can't just convict people who haven't pleaded guilty, there has to be a trial first. 🤦♂️ You can't argue with stupid, mate.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2024 6:25:22 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13736935/amp/police-arrest-video-manchester-review.htmlEmbarrassing by the Mail who appear to have a real agenda against the police. It appears secondary that the lad had a balaclava and a knife. and I quote “The boy's shooken mother had to take her son to A&E so he could receive treatment for injuries to his face. She has since lodged a complaint to Greater Manchester Police and described the arrest as 'brutal' saying: 'When I saw the CCTV, the utmost trust I have in the law broke inside me.' “ Maybe she needs to get her own house in order before she starts moaning.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 19, 2024 8:47:32 GMT
Probably because he has good contacts and someone to chuck him a few quid to put up some kind of defence. Poverty striken working class folk don't have that luxury so have to bend over and do their time. www.bbc.com/news/articles/credz9gl92yoLooks like he'll have a cracking chance of mis trial if people keep sharing info on line and reporting on the case. The difference between him and the potless working class people is he has the luxury of pleading not guilty and he can obviously afford decent representation to challenge the charges. When you ain't got a bean you plead guilty. The poor getting the shitty end of the stick yet again. That's the point...
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Post by werrington on Aug 19, 2024 8:50:07 GMT
Looks like he'll have a cracking chance of mis trial if people keep sharing info on line and reporting on the case. The difference between him and the potless working class people is he has the luxury of pleading not guilty and he can obviously afford decent representation to challenge the charges. When you ain't got a bean you plead guilty. The poor getting the shitty end of the stick yet again. That's the point... If people are confident of their innocence they don’t pay a penny in legal fees if they are cleared in court ….Legal aid is also out there It’s not a breach of the peace charge where you get a slap in the wrists Violent disorder is big shit and you only go guilty if you know there’s no chance as the video evidence will be clear
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 19, 2024 9:36:55 GMT
Looks like he'll have a cracking chance of mis trial if people keep sharing info on line and reporting on the case. The difference between him and the potless working class people is he has the luxury of pleading not guilty and he can obviously afford decent representation to challenge the charges. When you ain't got a bean you plead guilty. The poor getting the shitty end of the stick yet again. That's the point... If people are confident of their innocence they don’t pay a penny in legal fees if they are cleared in court ….Legal aid is also out there It’s not a breach of the peace charge where you get a slap in the wrists Violent disorder is big shit and you only go guilty if you know there’s no chance as the video evidence will be clear You are aware of how legal aid funding has been completely slashed. Like every other public institution I can think of its become unfit for purpose. People who probably did have a case will never get it heard so the only route they have is to go guilty and hope for leniency. I don't think that's fair and yet another poke in the eye for the poor..
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Post by pipegatepotter on Aug 19, 2024 10:28:39 GMT
Can't believe this question is STILL being asked ... 1. He HAS been charged. 2. The people who have been fast tracked, are the ones who have pleaded guilty. You can't just convict people who haven't pleaded guilty, there has to be a trial first. 🤦♂️ You can't argue with stupid, mate. Says the stupidest person on here? 🙄
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 19, 2024 11:12:37 GMT
You can't argue with stupid, mate. Says the stupidest person on here? 🙄 I understand the legal process- do you? If you don't I'm assuming you're self indentifying here.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 19, 2024 11:32:01 GMT
You can't argue with stupid, mate. I mean, a huge chunk of your posts on this board are just spamming Twitter links, or making single sentence blanket statements. I suspect you can’t argue full stop.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 19, 2024 12:29:08 GMT
You can't argue with stupid, mate. I mean, a huge chunk of your posts on this board are just spamming Twitter links, or making single sentence blanket statements. I suspect you can’t argue full stop. They are links to articles more times than not. But hey, fill your boots if that's your bag, man.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 19, 2024 13:03:16 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13736935/amp/police-arrest-video-manchester-review.htmlEmbarrassing by the Mail who appear to have a real agenda against the police. It appears secondary that the lad had a balaclava and a knife. and I quote “The boy's shooken mother had to take her son to A&E so he could receive treatment for injuries to his face. She has since lodged a complaint to Greater Manchester Police and described the arrest as 'brutal' saying: 'When I saw the CCTV, the utmost trust I have in the law broke inside me.' “ Maybe she needs to get her own house in order before she starts moaning. My daughter was a police officer for 9 years retiring through medical reasons 7 years ago. Police training at the time put emphasis on restraint but also, as a last resort, punching to hurt but not seriously injure. So punching the upper arm in the fleshy bit just below the shoulder is a good place that may leave bruising and hard punches to the thigh in order to dead leg a person. My daughter couldn’t punch to save her life so her tactic was to pinch soft flesh of the inner thigh or the upper inner arm really hard. Worked a treat apparently.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 19, 2024 14:05:18 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2024 14:49:42 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13736935/amp/police-arrest-video-manchester-review.htmlEmbarrassing by the Mail who appear to have a real agenda against the police. It appears secondary that the lad had a balaclava and a knife. and I quote “The boy's shooken mother had to take her son to A&E so he could receive treatment for injuries to his face. She has since lodged a complaint to Greater Manchester Police and described the arrest as 'brutal' saying: 'When I saw the CCTV, the utmost trust I have in the law broke inside me.' “ Maybe she needs to get her own house in order before she starts moaning. My daughter was a police officer for 9 years retiring through medical reasons 7 years ago. Police training at the time put emphasis on restraint but also, as a last resort, punching to hurt but not seriously injure. So punching the upper arm in the fleshy bit just below the shoulder is a good place that may leave bruising and hard punches to the thigh in order to dead leg a person. My daughter couldn’t punch to save her life so her tactic was to pinch soft flesh of the inner thigh or the upper inner arm really hard. Worked a treat apparently. Especially if someone’s got a knife in there hand and won’t let go.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 19, 2024 19:58:50 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2024 20:04:36 GMT
Very said RIP. I don’t get those who don’t believe knife crimes not got out of hand. It’s constant. It’s up 78 percent in the last 10 years.
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