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sankoh
May 11, 2020 21:55:54 GMT
Post by Squeekster on May 11, 2020 21:55:54 GMT
Isn't Sankah the guy from cool running with the egg?
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sankoh
May 11, 2020 23:25:00 GMT
Post by banksisgod on May 11, 2020 23:25:00 GMT
I have to say that I disagree. There are so many more variables to consider now than ever before; wives, possibly kids, access to family and friends, status at the club (maybe Ryan may have been prepared to give up the captaincy at Stoke and the certainty of first team football for the uncertain challenge of fighting for his place at a "bigger club", but I am not so sure). This began as a discussion about Sankoh, and the appeal of our club to him and other kids like him. I choose to believe that there are a multitude of considerations in, first of all, going to a club and, if/when the time comes, deciding to stay or to move on. We have most of the pieces in place to both attract and to keep young talent. Our under-age achievements this year will do us no harm to that end. I appear to be much more up-beat about our future prospects than a few on here.
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sankoh
May 11, 2020 23:37:04 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2020 23:37:04 GMT
You've lost me, I'm afraid. How can a player be happy at a club, but not want to play for that club, unless you are embarking on some major hair-splitting exercise? For some players - the likes of Pearce, Milner, Keane and many others - their duty as professionals overrides all other considerations. I'm sure every club has them. They are also the types that younger kids at a club - any club - look up to. Shawcross is our most obvious one, but Whelan and Walters were others. The final piece of the jigsaw is a manager able to harness all of the good, and expel the bad. For the first time in a while, we have that in O'Neill. Finally, and it may not be to everyone's taste, but do you really think that Joe Allen and James McClean would be chucking their own money around the community if they didn't love the club? I’d be happy to play for anyone for the money they’re on. Yes. It’s what players do. It’s saves some tax and looks good.
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sankoh
May 11, 2020 23:38:17 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2020 23:38:17 GMT
I have to say that I disagree. There are so many more variables to consider now than ever before; wives, possibly kids, access to family and friends, status at the club (maybe Ryan may have been prepared to give up the captaincy at Stoke and the certainty of first team football for the uncertain challenge of fighting for his place at a "bigger club", but I am not so sure). This began as a discussion about Sankoh, and the appeal of our club to him and other kids like him. I choose to believe that there are a multitude of considerations in, first of all, going to a club and, if/when the time comes, deciding to stay or to move on. We have most of the pieces in place to both attract and to keep young talent. Our under-age achievements this year will do us no harm to that end. I appear to be much more up-beat about our future prospects than a few on here. The appeal is game time to showcase his talent and get a move from there. It won’t be a dream to play for us, it won’t be a love for us. We could be anyone.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 9:08:34 GMT
Post by banksisgod on May 12, 2020 9:08:34 GMT
Mmmmm... I'm not convinced. Firstly, if giving money away to local good causes is purely for tax and image reasons, then why aren't they all at it? Also, I don't believe for a second that loyalty, duty and a sense of well-being and personal happiness play no role in the decision-making process for, at least, some players. Look, for example, at the spirit engendered in the squad by T.P. when he was here (and I was no great fan of his). The character of the person was as important to Pulis as was the players' ability to play. He filled his team with leaders, and that was the bedrock of his success here. Even people with "form" (Etherington, Pennant, RF) embraced the spirit of the club, and loved their time here.
I'm not arguing with you, but I find it ironic that I, as a middle-aged Irishman with no personal ties to S-on-T, should be defending the appeal of the club against someone who, presumably, was born, bred and buttered in the area.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 9:14:14 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2020 9:14:14 GMT
I didn't say purely for but it's a good look especially when the two players have both come in for a lot of stick for being cockwombles.
I'm not saying they didn't but it bears no relevance. Beattie and Ethers needed persuading massively to come here. Ethers had masses of debt wiped didn't or that was the rumour. It wasn't for their love of the club that they initially moved. I wouldn't expect it to be. That's why I find it an odd notion.
I get the appeal of the club, we pay big wages compared to most Champo clubs, we now have a good manager and youth players should get chances.
But that doesn't mean people want to play for us, they want to play for Barcelona, Man Yoo, Liverpool etc.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 10:33:12 GMT
Post by banksisgod on May 12, 2020 10:33:12 GMT
If people only wanted to play for the teams you've mentioned, then the world would be falling down with highly-paid, unhappy footballers. In my humble view, the important common denominator for player contentment here (and ensuing consistent performances) is the new manager. I have little doubt that he was he reason why both Campbell and Collins stayed, for example, when all the signs were that they were going to leave. It takes a great sales pitch to convince a young kid and his agent/family that his ambitions can be met at a club like Stoke, but that's what happened. I doubt that either player signed his new long-term contract with any reluctance. He has also proven to have the same kind of affect on older players, having turned a resolutely mediocre Northern Ireland into a very competitive outfit. The players are devastated that he has left. You can see the signs that he is already having the same kind of impact with our players.
Simply, the point I'm (badly) trying to make is that the reasons for wanting to stay at a club are varied and complex, and relate to the individual needs and desires of the player. I am certain that the skills that M. O'N employed to convince Campbell and Collins to stay will soon be put to good use in his conversations with Sankoh and his "handlers". For that reason, I am confident he will stay, and be happy to sign his first professional contract, whatever the papers might say.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 11:07:50 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2020 11:07:50 GMT
I think it is, footballers seem to hate football on the whole.
That's different to wanting to play for Stoke City. We could be any club. That's my point. It doesn't matter who we are.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 11:49:06 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 12, 2020 11:49:06 GMT
Mmmmm... I'm not convinced. Firstly, if giving money away to local good causes is purely for tax and image reasons, then why aren't they all at it? Also, I don't believe for a second that loyalty, duty and a sense of well-being and personal happiness play no role in the decision-making process for, at least, some players. Look, for example, at the spirit engendered in the squad by T.P. when he was here (and I was no great fan of his). The character of the person was as important to Pulis as was the players' ability to play. He filled his team with leaders, and that was the bedrock of his success here. Even people with "form" (Etherington, Pennant, RF) embraced the spirit of the club, and loved their time here. I'm not arguing with you, but I find it ironic that I, as a middle-aged Irishman with no personal ties to S-on-T, should be defending the appeal of the club against someone who, presumably, was born, bred and buttered in the area. Pessimism is deeply ingrained in this area
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 12:19:14 GMT
Post by banksisgod on May 12, 2020 12:19:14 GMT
That pessimism is well disguised when the stadium is in full voice. Right now, there is every reason for us to be optimistic about the future. Many of the pieces are in place. The manager is beginning to put his own stamp on things; that will only intensify as we now have his full attention. The toxic atmosphere that he encountered when he arrived has been comprehensively dealt with. The youth set-up is beginning to bear fruit at all age levels; the owners are backing the manager and his staff; the turnaround in the performances of the first team, both in terms of results and entertainment has been nothing short of miraculous (second only to Fulham since Christmas, points-wise). Surely I can't be alone on this? Or maybe I'm turning into Delia, that mad old bat from Norwich?
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 12:21:38 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2020 12:21:38 GMT
It's not pessimism, it's realism. Who dreams of playing Stoke City bar Stoke fans? Who really wants to play for us? It's not about belittling or pessimism, it is what it is.
And I'd have Collins, Sorensen, Verlinden, Ngoy and Campbell in the starting XI tomorrow if we had a game.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 13:13:33 GMT
Post by banksisgod on May 12, 2020 13:13:33 GMT
Ok, ok, let's suspend, for a second, any idea of "dreaming of playing for Stoke City", and consider the impact that the club, it's owners, it's staff and it's supporters have on the players who are already there, at whatever level. If you are at the club, and are enjoying the experience, and have been told by the manager - who you like and respect - that you are a key component in his future plans, and that you will be given an opportunity to make a breakthrough in the relatively short term, why risk that to become a "cog-in-a-wheel" at a Man.U., or a Chelsea?
Realism? I'm as realistic as the next bloke, but I'm an optimistic realist and, as I've tried to point out, there is enough evidence there to look forward to the future. As far as this discussion goes, the proof will be in what Sankoh decides to do next. Reports would suggest that he, along with Bellingham, are amongst the hottest prospects out there at the moment. Yet, I still have great faith in Michael O'Neill's capabilities to get him to want to stay.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 13:19:56 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2020 13:19:56 GMT
Yeah you can be enjoying it but they don't have loyalty to us, why would they? It's a notion that doesn't bother me.
Better pay and in both cases they have managers that play young players too?
I agree there is, this isn't about that though. If Sankoh stays then that's great but if he goes to Chelsea it shows nothing. He doesn't look bad (it's a great move) and we don't look bad. He's good but he's not on the same level as Bellingham. People saying he should be on the bench now are bit ott imo. And that's not chastising him. He's still learning, he's still very young and needs time. And is Godfrinne as good if not better? Something that doesn't get mentioned. Nevermind Jennings and Varion above them who are less prolific but very capable strikers.
MON I would imagine would be a small cog in the efforts unless we're getting desperate with him.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 13:41:52 GMT
Post by banksisgod on May 12, 2020 13:41:52 GMT
Oh, I think O'Neill will play a major role in this one. There is no chance that he will let this kid go without a fight. If he does go, I'd wish him every good luck (I can't vouch for how good Varian and Jennings are; you have me on that one, though I think they're both Irish), but I really would be disappointed if he ended up at Tottenham, for reasons I mentioned earlier. I would love the opportunity, though, to see him play alongside Campbell/Godfrinne in two or three years time, with Powell in behind, and pace everywhere.
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sankoh
May 12, 2020 14:18:11 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2020 14:18:11 GMT
Possibly but I do think that shows a touch of desperation if I'm being honest. It should be more of an academy conversation for now. I think he's the sort of striker Mourinho would actually really like but when he's 25 Spurs would be a strange move agreed. Varion and Jennings I wouldn't imagine will play as high as Sankoh (if it goes right, big if) but they're both really good little footballers and hopefully won't get forgotten in the churn of u23 football. Unless we go down, I don't expect them to make it here tbh but I hope they get their chance somehwere decent.
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 16:01:16 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2020 16:01:16 GMT
www.abola.pt/nnh/2020-06-09/vitoria-de-guimaraes-vimaranenses-garantem-avancado-holandes-de-16-anos/848249Vitória de Guimarães secured the competition for the young Dutch striker Mohamed Sankoh, just 16 years old, who ended his training contract with Stoke City, where he played for both the under-18 and under-23 teams. The player landed on Monday afternoon in Porto, accompanied by his brother and agents, and went to Guimarães to finalize the process steps that will result in the signing, today, of a contract valid for three seasons. Vitória will only have to pay training fees, which will be around 110 thousand euros, plus a subscription premium of around 300 thousand euros. Recent news pointed Sankoh to Atlético Madrid and Chelsea. He is European under-17 champion for the Netherlands, a title he won last year in the Republic of Ireland - after defeating Italy, who was Portugal's executioner in the semi-finals -, and the physical print (1.80 m tall) has already taken him to be compared to the Belgian international Romelu Lukaku. In the player's decision to head to Guimarães, the expectation of arriving with an open window to the main squad weighed in, although he should, of course, pass through the under-23s and team B. www.guimaraesdigital.com/index.php/informacao/desporto/60147-vitoria-garante-jovem-promessa-mohamed-sankohVitória hired the young forward Mohamed Sankoh, just 16 years old, who represented Stoke City, England. According to the newspaper 'A Bola', Mohamed Sankoh will commit to Vitória for the next three years.Under-17 international for the Netherlands, despite being born in England, the striker was crowned European champion in 2019. After representing the Netherlands' Sparta Rotterdam, he wore the Stoke City jersey for the past two years. Atlético de Madrid and Chelsea were also interested in the young player, who however ended up signing a contract with Vitória. The Victorian SAD will pay 110 thousand euros for the training rights, which will have to be shared by the clubs that Mohamed Sankoh has already represented. In addition, it will also pay 300 thousand euros of subscription prizes.
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 16:06:35 GMT
Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2020 16:06:35 GMT
www.abola.pt/nnh/2020-06-09/vitoria-de-guimaraes-vimaranenses-garantem-avancado-holandes-de-16-anos/848249Vitória de Guimarães secured the competition for the young Dutch striker Mohamed Sankoh, just 16 years old, who ended his training contract with Stoke City, where he played for both the under-18 and under-23 teams. The player landed on Monday afternoon in Porto, accompanied by his brother and agents, and went to Guimarães to finalize the process steps that will result in the signing, today, of a contract valid for three seasons. Vitória will only have to pay training fees, which will be around 110 thousand euros, plus a subscription premium of around 300 thousand euros. Recent news pointed Sankoh to Atlético Madrid and Chelsea. He is European under-17 champion for the Netherlands, a title he won last year in the Republic of Ireland - after defeating Italy, who was Portugal's executioner in the semi-finals -, and the physical print (1.80 m tall) has already taken him to be compared to the Belgian international Romelu Lukaku. In the player's decision to head to Guimarães, the expectation of arriving with an open window to the main squad weighed in, although he should, of course, pass through the under-23s and team B. www.guimaraesdigital.com/index.php/informacao/desporto/60147-vitoria-garante-jovem-promessa-mohamed-sankohVitória hired the young forward Mohamed Sankoh, just 16 years old, who represented Stoke City, England. According to the newspaper 'A Bola', Mohamed Sankoh will commit to Vitória for the next three years.Under-17 international for the Netherlands, despite being born in England, the striker was crowned European champion in 2019. After representing the Netherlands' Sparta Rotterdam, he wore the Stoke City jersey for the past two years. Atlético de Madrid and Chelsea were also interested in the young player, who however ended up signing a contract with Vitória. The Victorian SAD will pay 110 thousand euros for the training rights, which will have to be shared by the clubs that Mohamed Sankoh has already represented. In addition, it will also pay 300 thousand euros of subscription prizes. h disappointing but not unexpected (if these reports are correct)
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 16:17:55 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2020 16:17:55 GMT
www.abola.pt/nnh/2020-06-09/vitoria-de-guimaraes-vimaranenses-garantem-avancado-holandes-de-16-anos/848249Vitória de Guimarães secured the competition for the young Dutch striker Mohamed Sankoh, just 16 years old, who ended his training contract with Stoke City, where he played for both the under-18 and under-23 teams. The player landed on Monday afternoon in Porto, accompanied by his brother and agents, and went to Guimarães to finalize the process steps that will result in the signing, today, of a contract valid for three seasons. Vitória will only have to pay training fees, which will be around 110 thousand euros, plus a subscription premium of around 300 thousand euros. Recent news pointed Sankoh to Atlético Madrid and Chelsea. He is European under-17 champion for the Netherlands, a title he won last year in the Republic of Ireland - after defeating Italy, who was Portugal's executioner in the semi-finals -, and the physical print (1.80 m tall) has already taken him to be compared to the Belgian international Romelu Lukaku. In the player's decision to head to Guimarães, the expectation of arriving with an open window to the main squad weighed in, although he should, of course, pass through the under-23s and team B. www.guimaraesdigital.com/index.php/informacao/desporto/60147-vitoria-garante-jovem-promessa-mohamed-sankohVitória hired the young forward Mohamed Sankoh, just 16 years old, who represented Stoke City, England. According to the newspaper 'A Bola', Mohamed Sankoh will commit to Vitória for the next three years.Under-17 international for the Netherlands, despite being born in England, the striker was crowned European champion in 2019. After representing the Netherlands' Sparta Rotterdam, he wore the Stoke City jersey for the past two years. Atlético de Madrid and Chelsea were also interested in the young player, who however ended up signing a contract with Vitória. The Victorian SAD will pay 110 thousand euros for the training rights, which will have to be shared by the clubs that Mohamed Sankoh has already represented. In addition, it will also pay 300 thousand euros of subscription prizes. h disappointing but not unexpected (if these reports are correct) Bit of an unusual stopping-off point though. Not that glamorous or big payers. Must genuinely think it's the best place for his development. The article suggests there's an "open door to the first team". Annoying when you see these players emerge and start to blossom, then they piss off without playing a minute for you.
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 16:27:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2020 16:27:43 GMT
disappointing but not unexpected (if these reports are correct) Bit of an unusual stopping-off point though. Not that glamorous or big payers. Must genuinely think it's the best place for his development. The article suggests there's an "open door to the first team". Annoying when you see these players emerge and start to blossom, then they piss off without playing a minute for you. Lots of young players leaving this country now
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 16:39:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 16:39:12 GMT
It's not pessimism, it's realism. Who dreams of playing Stoke City bar Stoke fans? Who really wants to play for us? It's not about belittling or pessimism, it is what it is. And I'd have Collins, Sorensen, Verlinden, Ngoy and Campbell in the starting XI tomorrow if we had a game. 5 youngsters with a few games between then and unproven at this level would go one way. They will get their chances when someone who knows them better than anyone thinks they're ready.
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 16:39:12 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 9, 2020 16:39:12 GMT
Isn't that where Tymon was?
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 17:10:46 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2020 17:10:46 GMT
Isn't that where Tymon was? Just checked, and it was Familicao where Tymon was. Guimaraes do seem to be a much more established team than them, but still looks a little bit of a strange move but maybe it's the new reality where promising kiddies are prioritising clubs where they can start to play games ASAP
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 19:56:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 19:56:31 GMT
Isn't that where Tymon was? Just checked, and it was Familicao where Tymon was. Guimaraes do seem to be a much more established team than them, but still looks a little bit of a strange move but maybe it's the new reality where promising kiddies are prioritising clubs where they can start to play games ASAP They do seem to scout very young players ...was a lad at Spurs who plays there, forget his name without Googling. Quite a well supported club, often watch the Portuguese games on BET365
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 21:18:14 GMT
Post by innocentbystander on Jun 9, 2020 21:18:14 GMT
I'm sure the ruthlessly efficient Tony Scholes has put in a whopping sell-on clause
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 21:19:41 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2020 21:19:41 GMT
I'm sure the ruthlessly efficient Tony Scholes has put in a whopping sell-on clause He wasn't under contract Not due to Scholes or anyone else but because he was too young to sign a contract This isn't one to pin on Scholes.
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sankoh
Jun 9, 2020 21:23:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 21:23:34 GMT
I'm sure the ruthlessly efficient Tony Scholes has put in a whopping sell-on clause And how would he have done that ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 10, 2020 17:17:25 GMT
I'm sure the ruthlessly efficient Tony Scholes has put in a whopping sell-on clause He wasn't under contract Not due to Scholes or anyone else but because he was too young to sign a contract This isn't one to pin on Scholes. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to try though.
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sankoh
Jun 10, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
Post by biglad180 on Jun 10, 2020 19:00:02 GMT
as this been confirmed by the club, ive not seen it anywhere.
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sankoh
Jun 11, 2020 8:34:58 GMT
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Jun 11, 2020 8:34:58 GMT
I’ll be amazed if he hasn’t scored 100 league goals by the time he’s 20.
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sankoh
Jun 12, 2020 5:53:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 5:53:27 GMT
It's an excellent move for him. Will get games early on in his career and has a possible gateway to top European clubs through Porto, Benfica or Sporting.
Finally, a lad with a brain.
Shitter for us though. He looked quality.
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