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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 11, 2022 17:01:49 GMT
Well we’ll see what support he has at the next party conference As for letting brexit go I will when I can be sure the back stabbing bastard is genuine in his sudden conversion to brexit Christ I’d have Johnson back in a flash if rejoining the EU was on the table. You might But you may be on your own not even mad nad and moggy would pay that price How’s it feel when the leader of the opposition becomes a brexit convert Now he’s ruled out going into government with the snp Do you think the Lib Dems will sell out there European dream for a sniff of starmer’s trouser hem
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Post by questionable on Jul 11, 2022 17:09:04 GMT
Christ I’d have Johnson back in a flash if rejoining the EU was on the table. You might But you may be on your own not even mad nad and moggy would pay that price How’s it feel when the leader of the opposition becomes a brexit convert Now he’s ruled out going into government with the snp Do you think the Lib Dems will sell out there European dream for a sniff of starmer’s trouser hem Voted Conservative at the last election, if Labour come up with a few good policies and my votes theirs, never in a million years would I vote for those lunatics the Lib Dem
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 11, 2022 17:09:11 GMT
And also the " say nothing, just oppose" position allows the government to set the agenda. I thought the issues that we have had recently in respect of the Utilities and transport were a golden opportunity for Labour to talk about bringing those things into common ownership.....it doesn't have to be " like last time"....also when talking about class division and privilege, abolition of the House of Lords seems an obvious target....the name itself is a give away.....much more effective than targeting the Royal family, who at the moment , many people have affection for. Perhaps those things are not ( serioudly,) on Labour's agenda....but what is? According to the leader of Labour in Scotland, they would abolish the House of Lords if they get power: amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/04/labour-would-scrap-house-of-lords-says-scottish-party-leader-anas-sarwarI've not seen anything about it being confirmed as official Labour policy yet though. I think it has been in the manifestos for quite a while, but I don't think they have made it an issue, set the agenda, made it a talking point as Yeokel has said.....I might be wrong though? Do we know if public ownership is on the agenda or is there consensus on that now?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 11, 2022 17:14:35 GMT
You might But you may be on your own not even mad nad and moggy would pay that price How’s it feel when the leader of the opposition becomes a brexit convert Now he’s ruled out going into government with the snp Do you think the Lib Dems will sell out there European dream for a sniff of starmer’s trouser hem Voted Conservative at the last election, if Labour come up with a few good policies and my votes theirs, never in a million years would I vote for those lunatics the Lib Dem Sorry confused you with someone else Think I’m getting slightly senile 😀 But I fully endorse your comments on the Lib Dems
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2022 17:34:30 GMT
You might But you may be on your own not even mad nad and moggy would pay that price How’s it feel when the leader of the opposition becomes a brexit convert Now he’s ruled out going into government with the snp Do you think the Lib Dems will sell out there European dream for a sniff of starmer’s trouser hem Voted Conservative at the last election, if Labour come up with a few good policies and my votes theirs, never in a million years would I vote for those lunatics the Lib Dem Out of interest, why do you think the lib dems are lunatics?
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Post by questionable on Jul 11, 2022 17:38:22 GMT
Voted Conservative at the last election, if Labour come up with a few good policies and my votes theirs, never in a million years would I vote for those lunatics the Lib Dem Out of interest, why do you think the lib dems are lunatics? They come across to me as away with the fairies, politically boring and offer nothing of note to Joe Public.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 11, 2022 18:06:06 GMT
Out of interest, why do you think the lib dems are lunatics? They come across to me as away with the fairies, politically boring and offer nothing of note to Joe Public. Do you mean their policies? Because generally they are in between labour and tory on most things, which is probably actually where most of the public are. With FPTP though they don’t stand a chance, nor does anyone but tory or occasionally labour.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 11, 2022 18:12:47 GMT
I think it has been in the manifestos for quite a while, but I don't think they have made it an issue, set the agenda, made it a talking point as Yeokel has said.....I might be wrong though? Do we know if public ownership is on the agenda or is there consensus on that now? I've not read anything about public ownership bring policy, but can't say I've read everything about Labour policy. Let's see if Labour put HoL's reform on the agenda this time. They haven't previously.
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2022 19:18:14 GMT
Voted Conservative at the last election, if Labour come up with a few good policies and my votes theirs, never in a million years would I vote for those lunatics the Lib Dem Out of interest, why do you think the lib dems are lunatics? Most likely because you support them mate.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 12, 2022 15:03:21 GMT
Blimey. Suspending Labour councillors for not voting Tory! Every single day they show a bit more of themselves, I think many of them would actually go into coalition with the Tories given the chance at a hung Parliament!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 12, 2022 15:59:21 GMT
Blimey. Suspending Labour councillors for not voting Tory! Every single day they show a bit more of themselves, I think many of them would actually go into coalition with the Tories given the chance at a hung Parliament!
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 12, 2022 16:00:11 GMT
Blimey. Suspending Labour councillors for not voting Tory! Every single day they show a bit more of themselves, I think many of them would actually go into coalition with the Tories given the chance at a hung Parliament! It seems that many Labour supporters hate the SNP and Lib Dems over the Tories. It is almost as if they like being in opposition.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 12, 2022 16:54:57 GMT
Blimey. Suspending Labour councillors for not voting Tory! Every single day they show a bit more of themselves, I think many of them would actually go into coalition with the Tories given the chance at a hung Parliament! It seems that many Labour supporters hate the SNP and Lib Dems over the Tories. It is almost as if they like being in opposition. In some ways it’s easier being the opposition because you can criticise the government (and yes they deserve it) without getting any grief yourself. The big test will come if Labour get in. I’m sure they’ll make mistakes but this board could get very interesting when the tables are turned. Will the government are a shambles thread remain? Should it?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 12, 2022 17:11:07 GMT
It seems that many Labour supporters hate the SNP and Lib Dems over the Tories. It is almost as if they like being in opposition. In some ways it’s easier being the opposition because you can criticise the government (and yes they deserve it) without getting any grief yourself. The big test will come if Labour get in. I’m sure they’ll make mistakes but this board could get very interesting when the tables are turned. Will the government are a shambles thread remain? Should it? At least another five years of Tory government to come in 2024, I suspect. A new leader and tax bribes usually do the trick. And 80 seat majorities are rarely overturned at the first attempt. Starmer is basically doing the Kinnock job, de-toxifying the Labour Party first and foremost, paving the way for someone like Andy Burnham (John Smith (Tony Blair) in Kinnock's case) to provide an electable alternative. You can't change anything without getting elected first.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 12, 2022 17:20:35 GMT
In some ways it’s easier being the opposition because you can criticise the government (and yes they deserve it) without getting any grief yourself. The big test will come if Labour get in. I’m sure they’ll make mistakes but this board could get very interesting when the tables are turned. Will the government are a shambles thread remain? Should it? At least another five years of Tory government to come in 2024, I suspect. A new leader and tax bribes usually do the trick. And 80 seat majorities are rarely overturned at the first attempt. Starmer is basically doing the Kinnock job, de-toxifying the Labour Party first and foremost, paving the way for someone like Andy Burnham (John Smith (Tony Blair) in Kinnock's case) to provide an electable alternative. You can't change anything without getting elected first. John Smith now there was a good man.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 12, 2022 17:26:55 GMT
At least another five years of Tory government to come in 2024, I suspect. A new leader and tax bribes usually do the trick. And 80 seat majorities are rarely overturned at the first attempt. Starmer is basically doing the Kinnock job, de-toxifying the Labour Party first and foremost, paving the way for someone like Andy Burnham (John Smith (Tony Blair) in Kinnock's case) to provide an electable alternative. You can't change anything without getting elected first. John Smith now there was a good man. Sadly also the reason Brown didn't stand against his mentor. No such integrity for Blair. Brown was the intellectual and Smith's charge. By the time of his untimely death the wheels were in motion. If only.
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Post by foster on Jul 12, 2022 17:30:33 GMT
It seems that many Labour supporters hate the SNP and Lib Dems over the Tories. It is almost as if they like being in opposition. In some ways it’s easier being the opposition because you can criticise the government (and yes they deserve it) without getting any grief yourself. The big test will come if Labour get in. I’m sure they’ll make mistakes but this board could get very interesting when the tables are turned. Will the government are a shambles thread remain? Should it? It would help if Tory fans held all parties to the same standards instead of focusing on the lesser issues of other parties while turning a blind eye to all the Tory scandals. I honestly can't understand how any normal rational person can support this Tory government.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 12, 2022 19:11:13 GMT
In some ways it’s easier being the opposition because you can criticise the government (and yes they deserve it) without getting any grief yourself. The big test will come if Labour get in. I’m sure they’ll make mistakes but this board could get very interesting when the tables are turned. Will the government are a shambles thread remain? Should it? It would help if Tory fans held all parties to the same standards instead of focusing on the lesser issues of other parties while turning a blind eye to all the Tory scandals. I honestly can't understand how any normal rational person can support this Tory government. It's just political tribalism as usual. I'm keen to see whether Labour's lead in the polls disappears as soon as a new Tory leader is elected. I'm guessing it will despite the fact that a good proportion of those currently in government and who steadfastly backed Boris for months will still be in the main jobs.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 13, 2022 8:29:53 GMT
I've only caught the story on social media so happy for someone to fill me in on the full details but am I right in saying that Labour Lords were whipped to Abstain in the vote for free lunches for kids whose parents receive UC over the summer break last night?
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Post by felonious on Jul 13, 2022 10:04:24 GMT
I've only caught the story on social media so happy for someone to fill me in on the full details but am I right in saying that Labour Lords were whipped to Abstain in the vote for free lunches for kids whose parents receive UC over the summer break last night? Labour was whipped to abstain.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 13, 2022 10:13:49 GMT
I've only caught the story on social media so happy for someone to fill me in on the full details but am I right in saying that Labour Lords were whipped to Abstain in the vote for free lunches for kids whose parents receive UC over the summer break last night? 'Too widely drawn' was the pathetic excuse from labour whips. I'm sure that will appease hungry kids and those sharing lunches www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-peers-vote-down-plea-27465570
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 14, 2022 10:03:34 GMT
John Smith now there was a good man. Sadly also the reason Brown didn't stand against his mentor. No such integrity for Blair. Brown was the intellectual and Smith's charge. By the time of his untimely death the wheels were in motion. If only. Its barely remembered that Labour were further ahead when Smith died than when Blair won the 97 election. By many Blair is only remembered as getting Labour into power and not for consistently losing support from start to finish.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 14, 2022 11:24:16 GMT
Sadly also the reason Brown didn't stand against his mentor. No such integrity for Blair. Brown was the intellectual and Smith's charge. By the time of his untimely death the wheels were in motion. If only. Its barely remembered that Labour were further ahead when Smith died than when Blair won the 97 election. By many Blair is only remembered as getting Labour into power and not for consistently losing support from start to finish. Blair was a superb orator and a polished politician but if you look back objectively he got in against a Tory Party in disarray, had a huge lead created under Smith and then lost voters and as a % share of the overall vote in each election. The biggest disappointment looking back (Iraq War aside) was that there were so many wasted opportunities to reshape society for the better that weren't taken. Blair's relationship with Murdoch and the city of London financial institutions meant that real radical social change was never really on the agenda..........
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 14, 2022 11:56:16 GMT
Its barely remembered that Labour were further ahead when Smith died than when Blair won the 97 election. By many Blair is only remembered as getting Labour into power and not for consistently losing support from start to finish. Blair was a superb orator and a polished politician but if you look back objectively he got in against a Tory Party in disarray, had a huge lead created under Smith and then lost voters and as a % share of the overall vote in each election. The biggest disappointment looking back (Iraq War aside) was that there were so many wasted opportunities to reshape society for the better that weren't taken. Blair's relationship with Murdoch and the city of London financial institutions meant that real radical social change was never really on the agenda.......... Absolutely. He didnt need to make the concessions he did to get elected, that was a given. It was ideological. I mean hes literally godfather to murdochs daughter... Smith's untimely death changed the course of this country. Or didnt change the course of it; we just continued moving ever rightward.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 18, 2022 10:42:57 GMT
Where on earth do you start with this?!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 18, 2022 11:18:05 GMT
Where on earth do you start with this?! That's the problem with the ridiculous Labour antisemitism crisis, the people who jumped over the previous leader for pronouncing a surname incorrectly and for having antisemitic thoughts are now twisting themselves into knots defending Starmer. Ultimately it's history now and the damage is done but people will one day wake up to this McCarthyite scam. Hopefully in future we can concentrate on ridding society of the scourge of actual, real antisemitism........
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 18, 2022 15:34:19 GMT
Half past Four and Keith still hasn't removed the whip from Maragret.
Not being a big stinking hypocrite again are you Keith?
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 18, 2022 21:33:50 GMT
Half past Four and Keith still hasn't removed the whip from Maragret. Not being a big stinking hypocrite again are you Keith? To answer the thread question….. he is going to be shit
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Post by felonious on Jul 19, 2022 17:39:21 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 20, 2022 10:59:29 GMT
"Forde Report what Forde report?" Read my new column in The Guardian starting tomorrow..........
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