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Post by felonious on Jul 20, 2022 11:51:36 GMT
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 20, 2022 11:55:40 GMT
Keith's response is that he has 'rid the party of destructive factionalism'
Bigger liar and fraud than Johnson.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 21, 2022 12:04:30 GMT
Smashing it Keith, lad!
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 21, 2022 12:24:05 GMT
Smashing it Keith, lad! That doesn’t tell us who would win an election though. Lib dems may get 13% of the vote, but not a hope in hell of getting 13% of seats in Parliament. Will the greens get 46 seats (7%). No chance. We have a terribly undemocratic system that favours the biggest two parties.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 21, 2022 12:28:12 GMT
Smashing it Keith, lad! That doesn’t tell us who would win an election though. Lib dems may get 13% of the vote, but not a hope in hell of getting 13% of seats in Parliament. Will the greens get 46 seats (7%). No chance. We have a terribly undemocratic system that favours the biggest two parties. Less than 40% and only 4% ahead of the chaotic Tories after the fortnight they've had is pretty damn shte was more my point Og.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 21, 2022 12:36:32 GMT
That doesn’t tell us who would win an election though. Lib dems may get 13% of the vote, but not a hope in hell of getting 13% of seats in Parliament. Will the greens get 46 seats (7%). No chance. We have a terribly undemocratic system that favours the biggest two parties. Less than 40% and only 4% ahead of the chaotic Tories after the fortnight they've had is pretty damn shte was more my point Og. If Labour form the biggest party at the next election, they will have done enough. Policies are yet to be announced as we are mid term and he doesn’t want them stolen by the tories. Labour need to campaign for proportional representation and finish off the right wing tories for a generation.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 21, 2022 12:54:53 GMT
Less than 40% and only 4% ahead of the chaotic Tories after the fortnight they've had is pretty damn shte was more my point Og. If Labour form the biggest party at the next election, they will have done enough. Policies are yet to be announced as we are mid term and he doesn’t want them stolen by the tories. Labour need to campaign for proportional representation and finish off the right wing tories for a generation. Starmer's closest allies were continually suggesting the previous leader wasn't 15 points clear during his tenure! He really isn't very good. Agree on PR. FPTP has now produced too many totally rancid Governments on the bounce.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 21, 2022 13:07:31 GMT
If Labour form the biggest party at the next election, they will have done enough. Policies are yet to be announced as we are mid term and he doesn’t want them stolen by the tories. Labour need to campaign for proportional representation and finish off the right wing tories for a generation. Starmer's closest allies were continually suggesting the previous leader wasn't 15 points clear during his tenure! He really isn't very good. Agree on PR. FPTP has now produced too many totally rancid Governments on the bounce. I’m no Starmer supporter, but anything to oust the tories (ukip)
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 21, 2022 13:40:44 GMT
Less than 40% and only 4% ahead of the chaotic Tories after the fortnight they've had is pretty damn shte was more my point Og. If Labour form the biggest party at the next election, they will have done enough. Policies are yet to be announced as we are mid term and he doesn’t want them stolen by the tories. Labour need to campaign for proportional representation and finish off the right wing tories for a generation. Labour won't campaign for PR in a million years......
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 21, 2022 13:57:33 GMT
If Labour form the biggest party at the next election, they will have done enough. Policies are yet to be announced as we are mid term and he doesn’t want them stolen by the tories. Labour need to campaign for proportional representation and finish off the right wing tories for a generation. Labour won't campaign for PR in a million years...... Then there will be far more tory power over the next 30 years than Labour power.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 21, 2022 17:23:54 GMT
That doesn’t tell us who would win an election though. Lib dems may get 13% of the vote, but not a hope in hell of getting 13% of seats in Parliament. Will the greens get 46 seats (7%). No chance. We have a terribly undemocratic system that favours the biggest two parties. Less than 40% and only 4% ahead of the chaotic Tories after the fortnight they've had is pretty damn shte was more my point Og. In the polls conducted since Johnson resigned as PM, Labour's average lead is 11%. Their average vote share would be around 40-41% if I could be arsed to work it out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_electionPicking out the poll with the smallest lead is not the best way of seeing the current picture.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2022 9:22:13 GMT
Less than 40% and only 4% ahead of the chaotic Tories after the fortnight they've had is pretty damn shte was more my point Og. In the polls conducted since Johnson resigned as PM, Labour's average lead is 11%. Their average vote share would be around 40-41% if I could be arsed to work it out. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_electionPicking out the poll with the smallest lead is not the best way of seeing the current picture. Otherwise known as "doing a Prestwich" I do sometimes find myself wondering about some of those who generally don't vote Conservative. Do they prefer to be out of government, endlessly awaiting the perfect configuration of Opposition and seeming to spend more energy attacking any Opposition that doesn't come up to scratch, rather than trying to get a no doubt less than perfect alternative government into power where they might actually be not quite as dreadful as the current lot and perhaps, shock, do some good? I don't get it. I'd have thought a pragmatic choice of the lesser of two evils would be the best course of action, in the absence of any other?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 22, 2022 9:32:12 GMT
Otherwise known as "doing a Prestwich" I do sometimes find myself wondering about some of those who generally don't vote Conservative. Do they prefer to be out of government, endlessly awaiting the perfect configuration of Opposition and seeming to spend more energy attacking any Opposition that doesn't come up to scratch, rather than trying to get a no doubt less than perfect alternative government into power where they might actually be not quite as dreadful as the current lot and perhaps, shock, do some good? I don't get it. I'd have thought a pragmatic choice of the lesser of two evils would be the best course of action, in the absence of any other? I think you are right to some extent, many people do choose what they perceive to be the lesser of two evils, hence a Tory government.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2022 9:43:06 GMT
Otherwise known as "doing a Prestwich" I do sometimes find myself wondering about some of those who generally don't vote Conservative. Do they prefer to be out of government, endlessly awaiting the perfect configuration of Opposition and seeming to spend more energy attacking any Opposition that doesn't come up to scratch, rather than trying to get a no doubt less than perfect alternative government into power where they might actually be not quite as dreadful as the current lot and perhaps, shock, do some good? I don't get it. I'd have thought a pragmatic choice of the lesser of two evils would be the best course of action, in the absence of any other? I think you are right to some extent, many people do choose what they perceive to be the lesser if two evils, hence a Tory government. Indeed, much the same folk who thought Brexit and Boris Johnson were a good idea. And a good subset of them, Trump. And look where it's got us...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 22, 2022 9:51:02 GMT
I think you are right to some extent, many people do choose what they perceive to be the lesser if two evils, hence a Tory government. Indeed, much the same folk who thought Brexit and Boris Johnson were a good idea. And a good subset of them, Trump. And look where it's got us... Exactly, nit everyone thinks the same as you.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 22, 2022 9:53:16 GMT
Indeed, much the same folk who thought Brexit and Boris Johnson were a good idea. And a good subset of them, Trump. And look where it's got us... Exactly, nit everyone thinks the same as you. I don't recall saying they did, but hey ho, crack on, eh, John
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 22, 2022 15:23:51 GMT
Otherwise known as "doing a Prestwich" I do sometimes find myself wondering about some of those who generally don't vote Conservative. Do they prefer to be out of government, endlessly awaiting the perfect configuration of Opposition and seeming to spend more energy attacking any Opposition that doesn't come up to scratch, rather than trying to get a no doubt less than perfect alternative government into power where they might actually be not quite as dreadful as the current lot and perhaps, shock, do some good? I don't get it. I'd have thought a pragmatic choice of the lesser of two evils would be the best course of action, in the absence of any other? The lead is still driven by Tory "don't knows". As it pretty much has been throughout........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 23, 2022 4:51:03 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 23, 2022 6:58:15 GMT
I saw yesterday some Twitter chat about Corbyn for London mayor. I could see that. Well, I’d quite like to see that. Which I say, as I reckon living in Glasgow means I’m far enough away to make me a spectator. I might think differently as a denizen of, say, Hackney. Go for it Jezza.
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Post by felonious on Jul 23, 2022 7:07:14 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 23, 2022 11:11:44 GMT
Each to their own, the JC is up there with some of the worst rags in the country, they have their own parking space in the high court. Michael Rosen’s view, none of those “self hating Jews” whose opinion didn’t count…..
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 23, 2022 12:29:39 GMT
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 26, 2022 12:20:04 GMT
Keith met some left wing people in Liverpool yesterday and I don't think he liked it!!
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 26, 2022 12:25:20 GMT
Keith met some left wing people in Liverpool yesterday and I don't think he liked it!! I want to know who that lady is. Fabulous.
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Post by foster on Jul 26, 2022 12:27:24 GMT
Keith met some left wing people in Liverpool yesterday and I don't think he liked it!! You fuck with Starmer, you get your breast groped! Let that be a lesson for all.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 26, 2022 12:27:31 GMT
Keith met some left wing people in Liverpool yesterday and I don't think he liked it!! I have to confess Audrey White is a good friend of my in laws and I have met her several times at various events, she went through hell after being smeared by the Jewish Chronicle but eventually won her case and received a pay out and a (non) apology. She's portrayed as "hard left" and a "Corbynite" when the reality is she's just a passionate scouser and a socialist who works bloody hard to help people in her area that need it. She's not one to hold back that's for sure.............
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Post by thewonderstuff on Jul 26, 2022 12:28:59 GMT
Keith met some left wing people in Liverpool yesterday and I don't think he liked it!! I want to know who that lady is. Fabulous. twitter.com/RedRosa91940184
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 26, 2022 12:29:17 GMT
Keith met some left wing people in Liverpool yesterday and I don't think he liked it!! I have to confess Audrey White is a good friend of my in laws and I have met her several times at various events, she went through hell after being smeared by the Jewish Chronicle but eventually won her case and received a pay out and a (non) apology. She's portrayed as "hard left" and a "Corbynite" when the reality is she's just a passionate scouser and a socialist who works bloody hard to help people in her area that need it. She's not one to hold back that's for sure............. Was that Audrey White? Didn't recognise her from that angle at all.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 26, 2022 12:37:41 GMT
I have to confess Audrey White is a good friend of my in laws and I have met her several times at various events, she went through hell after being smeared by the Jewish Chronicle but eventually won her case and received a pay out and a (non) apology. She's portrayed as "hard left" and a "Corbynite" when the reality is she's just a passionate scouser and a socialist who works bloody hard to help people in her area that need it. She's not one to hold back that's for sure............. Was that Audrey White? Didn't recognise her from that angle at all. It is yeah.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 26, 2022 13:09:23 GMT
Keith met some left wing people in Liverpool yesterday and I don't think he liked it!! I have to confess Audrey White is a good friend of my in laws and I have met her several times at various events, she went through hell after being smeared by the Jewish Chronicle but eventually won her case and received a pay out and a (non) apology. She's portrayed as "hard left" and a "Corbynite" when the reality is she's just a passionate scouser and a socialist who works bloody hard to help people in her area that need it. She's not one to hold back that's for sure............. Indeed...yet another decent socialist who cares for her community. You know the type FYD labels as "Jew Haters"
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