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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 23, 2021 19:52:47 GMT
Why are labourites always so angry I mean Tories don't get angry at all do they. Not about immigrants or benefits or immigrants on benefits or statues of racists or flags or made up cancel culture or Muslims. They're a pretty chilled lot aren't they, as we see on this messageboard It’s more controlled anger
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 23, 2021 19:53:31 GMT
But the Tory voters have generally had the consolation of winning on a regular basis So what do you think of the labour leadership interference in the Liverpool mayoral candidate And do you feel that starmer has fulfilled his leadership promises I suspect that is what it boils down to, power at any cost... I haven't followed what he's been doing in that contest. I think you'll have to wait some time to see how Labour's electoral fortunes pan out to answer that one! So far he's taken them from 26% behind the Tories to broadly level, until the last month which reflects the success of the vaccine roll out. And moved to put some distance between his Labour Party and the anti-semitism row that so dogged the previous incarnation. But, as I keep saying, England is broadly a right-wing country these days, so any non-right wing politician is going to struggle to appear electable as a result. Throw in ongoing largely sympathetic coverage for Johnson and the Tories by the vast majority of the Press and you get where we are now, despite having the worst death toll in Europe and the biggest economic hit. It seems England has basically made up its mind that right-wing politics is the way forward for the foreseeable future. Liverpool is the most left wing City in the whole UK. Rothery would have won a landslide. This a declaration of out and out war by Starmer.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 23, 2021 20:12:56 GMT
JVL was set up to deny there was any AS in the labour party to defend Corbyn, from Ken Livingstone to Jackie Walker to Chris Williamson and all points in between they defended them all. So you're somehow suggesting that a bunch of Jews decided to set up an organisation to deny antisemitism existed in the Labour Party - shit you'll be calling them Kapo's next....... Awks
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 23, 2021 20:24:35 GMT
So you're somehow suggesting that a bunch of Jews decided to set up an organisation to deny antisemitism existed in the Labour Party - shit you'll be calling them Kapo's next....... Awks You seem to be struggling with understanding the word “deny”. To repeat for what seems like the 100th time, you can accept antisemitism exists in the Labour Party (it does) and still argue against the scale of it being massively disproportionate to reality (it was).....
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 23, 2021 21:49:28 GMT
You seem to be struggling with understanding the word “deny”. To repeat for what seems like the 100th time, you can accept antisemitism exists in the Labour Party (it does) and still argue against the scale of it being massively disproportionate to reality (it was)..... It’s a fair point fyd. If there’s anything these Corbynistas are experts in, it’s denial 🥲
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 23, 2021 22:14:59 GMT
You seem to be struggling with understanding the word “deny”. To repeat for what seems like the 100th time, you can accept antisemitism exists in the Labour Party (it does) and still argue against the scale of it being massively disproportionate to reality (it was)..... It’s a fair point fyd. If there’s anything these Corbynistas are experts in, it’s denial 🥲 I certainly don't deny a Jewish lady an opinion on antisemitism that's for sure.........
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 23, 2021 23:44:45 GMT
I mean Tories don't get angry at all do they. Not about immigrants or benefits or immigrants on benefits or statues of racists or flags or made up cancel culture or Muslims. They're a pretty chilled lot aren't they, as we see on this messageboard It’s more controlled anger Its funny I don't remember momo getting this angry when the favoured candidate for ilford I think it was happened to be suspended on the day of nominations closing (hows your luck) by the friend of the candidate selected (Sam Tarry)
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 23, 2021 23:45:33 GMT
It’s a fair point fyd. If there’s anything these Corbynistas are experts in, it’s denial 🥲 I certainly don't deny a Jewish lady an opinion on antisemitism that's for sure......... Well unless she is an mp hey or says something you disagree with.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 23, 2021 23:48:13 GMT
You seem to be struggling with understanding the word “deny”. To repeat for what seems like the 100th time, you can accept antisemitism exists in the Labour Party (it does) and still argue against the scale of it being massively disproportionate to reality (it was)..... I really dont know why you think this is such a winning argument that Labour wasnt as antisemitic as people thought rather strange though the only time a political party has needed an organisation formed to deny racism was under a lifelong anti racist unless......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 23, 2021 23:53:48 GMT
I certainly don't deny a Jewish lady an opinion on antisemitism that's for sure......... Well unless she is an mp hey or says something you disagree with. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I've never said otherwise.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 23, 2021 23:54:51 GMT
You seem to be struggling with understanding the word “deny”. To repeat for what seems like the 100th time, you can accept antisemitism exists in the Labour Party (it does) and still argue against the scale of it being massively disproportionate to reality (it was)..... I really dont know why you think this is such a winning argument that Labour wasnt as antisemitic as people thought rather strange though the only time a political party has needed an organisation formed to deny racism was under a lifelong anti racist unless...... Who mentioned a winning argument? It's just factually correct......
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2021 0:47:53 GMT
As a life long tory even I can see there was only a small amount of anti Semitic behaviour in the Labour Party
It was vastly exaggerated by people who didn’t support a democratically elected leadership
I’m no fan of corbyn but he has never been a racist or a anti semite
There is a big difference between being anti Semitic and being anti Zionist The only people who can’t seem to see it are the Israeli government and it’s stooges And people with political agendas
Oh and course a few idiots
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 24, 2021 3:01:15 GMT
As a life long tory even I can see there was only a small amount of anti Semitic behaviour in the Labour Party It was vastly exaggerated by people who didn’t support a democratically elected leadership I’m no fan of corbyn but he has never been a racist or a anti semite There is a big difference between being anti Semitic and being anti Zionist The only people who can’t seem to see it are the Israeli government and it’s stooges And people with political agendas Oh and course a few idiots Oh look! Israel
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2021 6:30:05 GMT
As a life long tory even I can see there was only a small amount of anti Semitic behaviour in the Labour Party It was vastly exaggerated by people who didn’t support a democratically elected leadership I’m no fan of corbyn but he has never been a racist or a anti semite There is a big difference between being anti Semitic and being anti Zionist The only people who can’t seem to see it are the Israeli government and it’s stooges And people with political agendas Oh and course a few idiots Oh look! Israel Yes Israel it’s not anti Semitic to criticise Israel Though they would like it to be
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2021 12:44:12 GMT
He has put himself in a position of being a credible opposition leader unlike grandpa racist and his Marxist clowns, he is systematically outing the racists, trots, momentum goons, libtard loons etc. he is targeting the right wing electorate which are prevalent in the UK today, the next Labour PM a Tory in a red tie how ironic is that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 24, 2021 13:28:13 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 24, 2021 17:55:49 GMT
He has put himself in a position of being a credible opposition leader unlike grandpa racist and his Marxist clowns, he is systematically outing the racists, trots, momentum goons, libtard loons etc. he is targeting the right wing electorate which are prevalent in the UK today, the next Labour PM a Tory in a red tie how ironic is that. It's not ironic at all in a right-wing country like England. It's the only way to get elected.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2021 18:01:43 GMT
He has put himself in a position of being a credible opposition leader unlike grandpa racist and his Marxist clowns, he is systematically outing the racists, trots, momentum goons, libtard loons etc. he is targeting the right wing electorate which are prevalent in the UK today, the next Labour PM a Tory in a red tie how ironic is that. It's not ironic at all in a right-wing country like England. It's the only way to get elected. 100% far left socialism is dead in the UK, it will be interesting to see who the diminishing rabble far left do vote for in the next GE, will they suck up their principals and hail a KS victory
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Post by yeswilko on Feb 24, 2021 18:27:08 GMT
As a life long tory even I can see there was only a small amount of anti Semitic behaviour in the Labour Party It was vastly exaggerated by people who didn’t support a democratically elected leadership I’m no fan of corbyn but he has never been a racist or a anti semite There is a big difference between being anti Semitic and being anti Zionist The only people who can’t seem to see it are the Israeli government and it’s stooges And people with political agendas Oh and course a few idiots I seem to remember (correct me if I'm wrong) you saying in the past that you raised kids as a single parent and that you stopped work 20 years ago through ill health. How did you come to the conclusion that the tories gave a shit about you and your situation? I imagine it must have been a struggle at times mate?
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2021 18:51:55 GMT
As a life long tory even I can see there was only a small amount of anti Semitic behaviour in the Labour Party It was vastly exaggerated by people who didn’t support a democratically elected leadership I’m no fan of corbyn but he has never been a racist or a anti semite There is a big difference between being anti Semitic and being anti Zionist The only people who can’t seem to see it are the Israeli government and it’s stooges And people with political agendas Oh and course a few idiots I seem to remember (correct me if I'm wrong) you saying in the past that you raised kids as a single parent and that you stopped work 20 years ago through ill health. How did you come to the conclusion that the tories gave a shit about you and your situation? I imagine it must have been a struggle at times mate? Yes it has been bloody hard at times But I’ve never read a contract anywhere that says iLife should be easy We’ve managed have we had some stuff that others have had no But the boys were always clean well fed polite and have all gone on to work hard for there living Even manage to put one through university As for the politics many moons ago when I was behind the bar of the pub I was born in and later ran The conversation got on to politics and a old fellow suddenly turned round and piped up (“I’ve lived under Tory labour coalition and even liberal governments And the working mans always been better off under the Tory’s they all promise the world but you know the Tory’s will screw you so you can brace yourself and it will hurt less “) That has always stuck with me But my main problem with labour has always been there policy It’s often based on envy and often want to round down rather than up it shouldn’t be because someone has something there bad It should be this is what you should be aiming for
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 24, 2021 19:02:02 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 24, 2021 19:55:50 GMT
I seem to remember (correct me if I'm wrong) you saying in the past that you raised kids as a single parent and that you stopped work 20 years ago through ill health. How did you come to the conclusion that the tories gave a shit about you and your situation? I imagine it must have been a struggle at times mate? (“I’ve lived under Tory labour coalition and even liberal governments And the working mans always been better off under the Tory’s they all promise the world but you know the Tory’s will screw you so you can brace yourself and it will hurt less “) But my main problem with labour has always been there policy It’s often based on envy and often want to round down rather than up it shouldn’t be because someone has something there bad It should be this is what you should be aiming for Well, there's a positive philosophy to live by! If anything over the last forty years, the only time things have definitively and evidentially improved in the areas that actually matter to ordinary people in this country ie education, universal health care etc, was under the Labour Party under Tony Blair. Shame the casino bankers had to fuck it all up, but that's unregulated free market capitalism for you...
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2021 20:02:31 GMT
(“I’ve lived under Tory labour coalition and even liberal governments And the working mans always been better off under the Tory’s they all promise the world but you know the Tory’s will screw you so you can brace yourself and it will hurt less “) But my main problem with labour has always been there policy It’s often based on envy and often want to round down rather than up it shouldn’t be because someone has something there bad It should be this is what you should be aiming for Well, there's a positive philosophy to live by! If anything over the last forty years, the only time things have definitively and evidentially improved in the areas that actually matter to ordinary people in this country ie education, universal health care etc, was under the Labour Party under Tony Blair. Shame the casino bankers had to fuck it all up, but that's unregulated free market capitalism for you... The guy who came out with that philosophy was 83 years old in the mid 1980s I was certainly in no position at the time to question it
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 24, 2021 20:08:57 GMT
Well, there's a positive philosophy to live by! If anything over the last forty years, the only time things have definitively and evidentially improved in the areas that actually matter to ordinary people in this country ie education, universal health care etc, was under the Labour Party under Tony Blair. Shame the casino bankers had to fuck it all up, but that's unregulated free market capitalism for you... The guy who came out with that philosophy was 83 years old in the mid 1980s I was certainly in no position at the time to question it And clearly haven't since
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 24, 2021 20:11:56 GMT
The guy who came out with that philosophy was 83 years old in the mid 1980s I was certainly in no position at the time to question it And clearly haven't since No not really Only had it enforced even more by the war criminal Blair and his toadies And now now there option is one of the toadies without the charisma
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 24, 2021 20:19:55 GMT
And clearly haven't since No not really Only had it enforced even more by the war criminal Blair and his toadies And now now there option is one of the toadies without the charisma Well, good to know you've always chosen to vote for a party that you know will fuck you and most other ordinary people like yourself over. Seems an oddly depressing and nihilistic approach to politics and life in the UK in general, but each to their own, I guess
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 25, 2021 8:48:13 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 25, 2021 8:53:41 GMT
Same old labour you can put a pile of shit into a new sack It still remains a sack of shit Be interesting to see what stramer does to this mp
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2021 9:57:33 GMT
Same old labour you can put a pile of shit into a new sack It still remains a sack of shit Be interesting to see what stramer does to this mp He's in with the focus group discussing it right now.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 25, 2021 12:46:02 GMT
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