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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2021 12:26:12 GMT
Well considering that JVL much like yourself spent nearly 2 years denying there was a problem with antisemitism at all, its hardly surprising they are ignored just as any recommendation from John McDonnel should be. I know quite a few Jewish people in JVL who say they have never experienced any anti semitism in Labour Party. They should not be ignored. Its concerning that you think they should be. JVL was set up to deny there was any AS in the labour party to defend Corbyn, from Ken Livingstone to Jackie Walker to Chris Williamson and all points in between they defended them all.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 12:28:07 GMT
“Wrong type of Jews” And like a lot of people they didn’t deny antisemitism exists please stop lying. They called out the numbers that were and remain masively exaggerated by opponents of Corbyn both in and out of the party..... I clearly said they denied there was a problem with AS not they denied its existence, even after the EHRC report you are still trying to downplay it....... Well they haven't denied there was a problem with antisemitism either so you're still making stuff up. I'm not to downplay anything, I'm simply stating the facts. I've read the EHRC in full, it's not the smoking gun that you or the media makes out it is with regards Corbyn, anyone who reads it properly would come to that conclusion.......
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 12:28:50 GMT
I know quite a few Jewish people in JVL who say they have never experienced any anti semitism in Labour Party. They should not be ignored. Its concerning that you think they should be. JVL was set up to deny there was any AS in the labour party to defend Corbyn, from Ken Livingstone to Jackie Walker to Chris Williamson and all points in between they defended them all. You appear to have ignored the Jewish people I referred to in my post.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 14, 2021 12:30:14 GMT
Duh, of course he has!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 12:30:25 GMT
I know quite a few Jewish people in JVL who say they have never experienced any anti semitism in Labour Party. They should not be ignored. Its concerning that you think they should be. JVL was set up to deny there was any AS in the labour party to defend Corbyn, from Ken Livingstone to Jackie Walker to Chris Williamson and all points in between they defended them all. So you're somehow suggesting that a bunch of Jews decided to set up an organisation to deny antisemitism existed in the Labour Party - shit you'll be calling them Kapo's next.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 12:39:50 GMT
JVL was set up to deny there was any AS in the labour party to defend Corbyn, from Ken Livingstone to Jackie Walker to Chris Williamson and all points in between they defended them all. You appear to have ignored the Jewish people I referred to in my post. Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 12:46:49 GMT
You appear to have ignored the Jewish people I referred to in my post. Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wow. Reading those it's almost as though it's not about being Jewish at all. I mean you could conclude its something to do with attitides towards this Israel place. Isnt that the place where that former spy comes from that Starmer just employed? And the place former Labour MP Ian Austin received many thousands in funding, before going to be the Tory trade envoy. The place our current Home Secretary had secret meetings with their government. I'm sure theres a massive outcry. There were headlines for weeks that Corbyn once had a cup of tea with a former Czech spy in the 80s.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 12:56:48 GMT
Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wrong type of Jew Wow. Reading those it's almost as though it's not about being Jewish at all. I mean you could conclude its something to do with attitides towards this Israel place. Isnt that the place where that former spy comes from that Starmer just employed? And the place former Labour MP Ian Austin received many thousands in funding, before going to be the Tory trade envoy. The place our current Home Secretary had secret meetings with their government. I'm sure theres a massive outcry. There were headlines for weeks that Corbyn once had a cup of tea with a former Czech spy in the 80s. Most people don't care about the mechanics of the party I get that, but there is currently a purge of left wing members from CLP's by all kinds of foul means (look at the Bristol CPL AGM sham the other night), and more worryingly hundreds of left wing Jews are being suspended or quitting the party whilst it keeps up the pretence it's "fighting antisemitism" It doesn't even register in the eyes of those so called progressives and anti-racists allegedly so worried about actual hatred of Jewish people, because their work is done here. Yet the previous regime were the "Stalinists" apparently. It's a McCarthyite scandal, and the Forde report which could open up a can of worms on the whole issue is being deliberately stalled. It's laughable, to be fair some of my Jewish friends who have no time for Corbyn for various reasons are having their eyes opened to the absurdity it all now, but alas the horse has already bolted......
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2021 13:08:25 GMT
JVL was set up to deny there was any AS in the labour party to defend Corbyn, from Ken Livingstone to Jackie Walker to Chris Williamson and all points in between they defended them all. So you're somehow suggesting that a bunch of Jews decided to set up an organisation to deny antisemitism existed in the Labour Party - shit you'll be calling them Kapo's next....... It was literally formed in 2017 to defend corbyn.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 13:12:08 GMT
So you're somehow suggesting that a bunch of Jews decided to set up an organisation to deny antisemitism existed in the Labour Party - shit you'll be calling them Kapo's next....... It was literally formed in 2017 to defend corbyn. It was formed because they had no voice. A voice you are trying to diminish still. That it defended Corbyn is illustrative of what these Jewish Labour members thought about the claims.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2021 13:14:59 GMT
antisemitism.org/appalling-claims-of-israeli-false-flag-operations-at-jvl-psc-nut-and-stop-the-war-campaign-event-at-student-central/Here's the first nice old harmless guy from your link just suggesting Israel was running all sorts of false flag operations against Corbyn hard to understand how people got the wrong idea just like good old jezza who on his paid press tv gig saw the hand of israel in terror attacks in Egypt, then there is Dickie boy not remembering thumping tables saying zionists are the enemy of peace even though he doesn't believe, we have good old Ange who went from there are going to need a bigger smear too apologising for AS. Still infested still in denial
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 13:17:51 GMT
Wow. Reading those it's almost as though it's not about being Jewish at all. I mean you could conclude its something to do with attitides towards this Israel place. Isnt that the place where that former spy comes from that Starmer just employed? And the place former Labour MP Ian Austin received many thousands in funding, before going to be the Tory trade envoy. The place our current Home Secretary had secret meetings with their government. I'm sure theres a massive outcry. There were headlines for weeks that Corbyn once had a cup of tea with a former Czech spy in the 80s. Most people don't care about the mechanics of the party I get that, but there is currently a purge of left wing members from CLP's by all kinds of foul means (look at the Bristol CPL AGM sham the other night), and more worryingly hundreds of left wing Jews are being suspended or quitting the party whilst it keeps up the pretence it's "fighting antisemitism" It doesn't even register in the eyes of those so called progressives and anti-racists allegedly so worried about actual hatred of Jewish people, because their work is done here. Yet the previous regime were the "Stalinists" apparently. It's a McCarthyite scandal, and the Forde report which could open up a can of worms on the whole issue is being deliberately stalled. It's laughable, to be fair some of my Jewish friends who have no time for Corbyn for various reasons are having their eyes opened to the absurdity it all now, but alas the horse has already bolted...... The whole world cant be kept down a rabbit hole forever. Macarthyism is exactly what I'm likening it to elsewhere. And it never looks good through the eyes of history. The contradictions are showing though. The IHRA is now stumbling, the guardian had the gall to cover UCL's refusal to use it but their role in pressuring Labour into using it in full will only br highlighted in times to come. My fairly progressive but still proud Israeli friends are most uncomfortable when the support of Trump, Boldonaro etc. The contradictions are out in plain sight. Just got to have the courage to keep pointing at them and facing the nasty flak of the willingly brainwashed.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2021 13:24:29 GMT
Here's Naomi another poor misunderstood lovely woman
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 13:25:28 GMT
antisemitism.org/appalling-claims-of-israeli-false-flag-operations-at-jvl-psc-nut-and-stop-the-war-campaign-event-at-student-central/Here's the first nice old harmless guy from your link just suggesting Israel was running all sorts of false flag operations against Corbyn hard to understand how people got the wrong idea just like good old jezza who on his paid press tv gig saw the hand of israel in terror attacks in Egypt, then there is Dickie boy not remembering thumping tables saying zionists are the enemy of peace even though he doesn't believe, we have good old Ange who went from there are going to need a bigger smear too apologising for AS. Still infested still in denial Isnt angrily obsessing about and highlighting the unfavourable (substantiated, trumped up or otherwise) actions of Jewish people in order to silence them exactly what many are so unhappy about on the left. I've never really taken much part myself. And many think a lot of it was right wing trolls or certainly most if it was from non Labour members. You seem very good at it.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 13:30:43 GMT
Has it been noted that Mandy is back. It's the old dream team.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2021 13:30:52 GMT
antisemitism.org/appalling-claims-of-israeli-false-flag-operations-at-jvl-psc-nut-and-stop-the-war-campaign-event-at-student-central/Here's the first nice old harmless guy from your link just suggesting Israel was running all sorts of false flag operations against Corbyn hard to understand how people got the wrong idea just like good old jezza who on his paid press tv gig saw the hand of israel in terror attacks in Egypt, then there is Dickie boy not remembering thumping tables saying zionists are the enemy of peace even though he doesn't believe, we have good old Ange who went from there are going to need a bigger smear too apologising for AS. Still infested still in denial Isnt angrily highlighting the unfavourable (substantiated, trumped up or otherwise) actions of Jewish people in order to silence them exactly what many are so unhappy about on the left. I've never taken part myself. And many think a lot of it was right wing trolls. You seem very good at it. Who is trying to silence him just pointing out that maybe someone who thinks the israeli government is running any sort of operation against corbyn probably shouldn't be you goto person for views on antisemitism, I suppose naomi's jews for jez yellow star at a counter demonstration against an AS protest was just bantz.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 13:33:25 GMT
antisemitism.org/appalling-claims-of-israeli-false-flag-operations-at-jvl-psc-nut-and-stop-the-war-campaign-event-at-student-central/Here's the first nice old harmless guy from your link just suggesting Israel was running all sorts of false flag operations against Corbyn hard to understand how people got the wrong idea just like good old jezza who on his paid press tv gig saw the hand of israel in terror attacks in Egypt, then there is Dickie boy not remembering thumping tables saying zionists are the enemy of peace even though he doesn't believe, we have good old Ange who went from there are going to need a bigger smear too apologising for AS. Still infested still in denial You still don't seem to be able to distinguish between anti Israel/Zionsim and antisemitism after all this time, even when it's Jewish people doing the criticising..........
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Post by Dave the Rave on Feb 14, 2021 13:34:48 GMT
Isnt angrily highlighting the unfavourable (substantiated, trumped up or otherwise) actions of Jewish people in order to silence them exactly what many are so unhappy about on the left. I've never taken part myself. And many think a lot of it was right wing trolls. You seem very good at it. Who is trying to silence him just pointing out that maybe someone who thinks the israeli government is running any sort of operation against corbyn probably shouldn't be you goto person for views on antisemitism, I suppose naomi's jews for jez yellow star at a counter demonstration against an AS protest was just bantz..... The Star of David, known in Hebrew as the Shield of David or Magen David, is a generally recognized symbol of modern Jewish identity and Judaism. What's your issue with a Jewish person putting the word Jew inside the Star of David?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 13:37:03 GMT
Who is trying to silence him just pointing out that maybe someone who thinks the israeli government is running any sort of operation against corbyn probably shouldn't be you goto person for views on antisemitism, I suppose naomi's jews for jez yellow star at a counter demonstration against an AS protest was just bantz..... The Star of David, known in Hebrew as the Shield of David or Magen David, is a generally recognized symbol of modern Jewish identity and Judaism. What's your issue with a Jewish person putting the word Jew inside the Star of David? His issue is whatever Guido Fawkes tells him it is. The power of independent thinking appears to be a lost art.......
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 13:42:07 GMT
Isnt angrily highlighting the unfavourable (substantiated, trumped up or otherwise) actions of Jewish people in order to silence them exactly what many are so unhappy about on the left. I've never taken part myself. And many think a lot of it was right wing trolls. You seem very good at it. Who is trying to silence him just pointing out that maybe someone who thinks the israeli government is running any sort of operation against corbyn probably shouldn't be you goto person for views on antisemitism, I suppose naomi's jews for jez yellow star at a counter demonstration against an AS protest was just bantz..... The Israeli government, like all governments, has operations to further its interest. Both cover and overt. It also has Hasbara. AIPAC in the states have an astonishing influence of politics and there is a lot pro Israeli funding here too. It's not a conspiracy theory. Its geopolitics. As previously stated our own Home Secretary had clandestine meetings with Israeli top brass without our government consent. Is it crazy to think Israel would want to exert influence to get a more favourable leader of the opposition? I mean, they'd be stupid not to? Countries meddle in other countries politics all the time. The US is the worst. Russia is accused of rigging X factor nowadays ffs. If you think it's all straight ties honest talking, then bless you.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 14, 2021 13:43:34 GMT
Who is trying to silence him just pointing out that maybe someone who thinks the israeli government is running any sort of operation against corbyn probably shouldn't be you goto person for views on antisemitism, I suppose naomi's jews for jez yellow star at a counter demonstration against an AS protest was just bantz..... The Star of David, known in Hebrew as the Shield of David or Magen David, is a generally recognized symbol of modern Jewish identity and Judaism. What's your issue with a Jewish person putting the word Jew inside the Star of David? You are right of course a yellow star of david holds no other significance than the one you are trying to claim, fucking hell.......
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 13:47:59 GMT
Who is trying to silence him just pointing out that maybe someone who thinks the israeli government is running any sort of operation against corbyn probably shouldn't be you goto person for views on antisemitism, I suppose naomi's jews for jez yellow star at a counter demonstration against an AS protest was just bantz..... The Israeli government, like all governments, has operations to further its interest. Both cover and overt. It also has Hasbara. AIPAC in the states have an astonishing influence of politics and there is a lot pro Israeli funding here too. It's not a conspiracy theory. Its geopolitics. As previously stated our own Home Secretary had clandestine meetings with Israeli top brass without our government consent. Is it crazy to think Israel would want to exert influence to get a more favourable leader of the opposition? I mean, they'd be stupid not to? Countries meddle in other countries politics all the time. The US is the worst. Russia is accused of rigging X factor nowadays ffs. If you think it's all straight ties honest talking, then bless you. There's literally reams of footage and evidence out there. At least in America they're open and upfront about the "Israel lobby", mention those two words in good old Blighty and it's another antisemitism stick to beat someone with.......
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 14, 2021 13:57:02 GMT
The Israeli government, like all governments, has operations to further its interest. Both cover and overt. It also has Hasbara. AIPAC in the states have an astonishing influence of politics and there is a lot pro Israeli funding here too. It's not a conspiracy theory. Its geopolitics. As previously stated our own Home Secretary had clandestine meetings with Israeli top brass without our government consent. Is it crazy to think Israel would want to exert influence to get a more favourable leader of the opposition? I mean, they'd be stupid not to? Countries meddle in other countries politics all the time. The US is the worst. Russia is accused of rigging X factor nowadays ffs. If you think it's all straight ties honest talking, then bless you. There's literally reams of footage and evidence out there. At least in America they're open and upfront about the "Israel lobby", mentions those two words in good old Blighty and it's another antisemitism stick to beat someone with....... Isaeli lobby has got me thinking of a hearty meat stew with matzah balls. I might have to head to the kitchen.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2021 13:58:10 GMT
The absolute state of this.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 14, 2021 14:00:09 GMT
Makes me smile a touch with the irony
There’s posters on here calling China from a pig to a dog for its human rights record
Launching tirades at the Burmese military over the coup
Then come on this board and support state sponsored genocide just because it’s committed by the Israeli government Bloody hypocrisy
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 15, 2021 10:19:49 GMT
This is a long read. But its excellent and bold. Pointing right at it and calling it apartheid. Starmer has disciplined people for using the term, including Stephen Kinnock after using it on the house floor. Despite this, apartheid does NOT easily fall foul of the problematic IHRA definition of antisemitism and as such is one the strongest ways for people concerned about the situation to safely shape and express their concern both inside and outside the Labour Party. lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n02/nathan-thrall/the-separate-regimes-delusion
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 15, 2021 13:34:12 GMT
The Star of David, known in Hebrew as the Shield of David or Magen David, is a generally recognized symbol of modern Jewish identity and Judaism. What's your issue with a Jewish person putting the word Jew inside the Star of David? His issue is whatever Guido Fawkes tells him it is. The power of independent thinking appears to be a lost art....... Unfortunately, FYD's also got a certain amount of 'previous' on religious/race issues and rage quit not that long ago when called out on it around the whole BLM issue.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 18, 2021 11:54:34 GMT
Did anyone get to the end of Starmer's big important speech without nodding off?
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 18, 2021 12:51:49 GMT
Makes me smile a touch with the irony There’s posters on here calling China from a pig to a dog for its human rights record Launching tirades at the Burmese military over the coup Then come on this board and support state sponsored genocide just because it’s committed by the Israeli government Bloody hypocrisy If you think Israel and China are even remotely comparable in that context you’ve just been completely and hopelessly deranged by ideology or fanaticism or something. “Genocide” smh
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 18, 2021 12:57:50 GMT
Makes me smile a touch with the irony There’s posters on here calling China from a pig to a dog for its human rights record Launching tirades at the Burmese military over the coup Then come on this board and support state sponsored genocide just because it’s committed by the Israeli government Bloody hypocrisy If you think Israel and China are even remotely comparable in that context you’ve just been completely and hopelessly deranged by ideology or fanaticism or something. “Genocide” smh So what would you describe the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel Maybe I should of used the word apartheid
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