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Post by gawa on Aug 5, 2024 7:40:11 GMT
Why is Ed Balls still allowed to discuss politics on GMB. I'm sorry but the man's wife is the home secretary surely it's obvious there is a huge conflict of interest there and he shouldn't be discussing any politics.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 5, 2024 8:18:54 GMT
Please deal with the whole issue of gangs/thugs/defence leagues etc etc
It's not just a right wing thing, an EDL thing & the more he keeps saying it the more it will annoy people....You riot, you threaten, you attack, you destroy, you white, you asian, you sky blue pink withe yellow dots....you the same! Guilty & same sentence end of!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 5, 2024 8:20:19 GMT
Why is Ed Balls still allowed to discuss politics on GMB. I'm sorry but the man's wife is the home secretary surely it's obvious there is a huge conflict of interest there and he shouldn't be discussing any politics. Yeah I watched the 3 middle aged men patronise and interrupt Zarah Sultana this morning, not a good look but they're the "good guys" so get away with this shit. He shouldn't be anywhere near that role as you say. She was keen for the attacks on mosques to be called out for what they are, namely Islamophobia. Now I know some people disagree with the term but I think when places of worship are being attacked I think you're on pretty solid ground calling it out for what it is. Balls was very quick to shout her down saying it was simply racism, and i would have no problem with that argument other than the fact that if you dared to say an attack on a synagogue wasn't ant-Semitism you'd be called out in no uncertain terms. He really is a wanker though.......
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Post by gawa on Aug 5, 2024 8:36:14 GMT
Why is Ed Balls still allowed to discuss politics on GMB. I'm sorry but the man's wife is the home secretary surely it's obvious there is a huge conflict of interest there and he shouldn't be discussing any politics. Yeah I watched the 3 middle aged men patronise and interrupt Zarah Sultana this morning, not a good look but they're the "good guys" so get away with this shit. He shouldn't be anywhere near that role as you say. She was keen for the attacks on mosques to be called out for what they are, namely Islamophobia. Now I know some people disagree with the term but I think when places of worship are being attacked I think you're on pretty solid ground calling it out for what it is. Balls was very quick to shout her down saying it was simply racism, and i would have no problem with that argument other than the fact that if you dared to say an attack on a synagogue wasn't ant-Semitism you'd be called out in no uncertain terms. He really is a wanker though....... It's on par with GB News having one of their tory MP presenters interview the PM a few months back. Provides excellent fuel for division though and criticism of a bias media - which rightfully should be criticised for bias when pulling stunts like this.
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Post by Gods on Aug 5, 2024 8:38:17 GMT
Why is Ed Balls still allowed to discuss politics on GMB. I'm sorry but the man's wife is the home secretary surely it's obvious there is a huge conflict of interest there and he shouldn't be discussing any politics. Yeah I watched the 3 middle aged men patronise and interrupt Zarah Sultana this morning, not a good look but they're the "good guys" so get away with this shit. He shouldn't be anywhere near that role as you say. She was keen for the attacks on mosques to be called out for what they are, namely Islamophobia. Now I know some people disagree with the term but I think when places of worship are being attacked I think you're on pretty solid ground calling it out for what it is. Balls was very quick to shout her down saying it was simply racism, and i would have no problem with that argument other than the fact that if you dared to say an attack on a synagogue wasn't ant-Semitism you'd be called out in no uncertain terms. He really is a wanker though....... You make a good point on racism v antisemitism v islamaphobia which I fully get. And while I don't agree with Zultana on everything I very much like her and admire her courage to speak out. But if the the 3 middle aged guys, and a woman as it happens, had not attempted to get a word in edgeways the viewers would simply have had to take a 10 minute monologue squarely on the chin. We pretty much did anyway because any attempts to get some clarity were simply steam rollered.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 5, 2024 8:45:32 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 5, 2024 8:52:33 GMT
Yeah I watched the 3 middle aged men patronise and interrupt Zarah Sultana this morning, not a good look but they're the "good guys" so get away with this shit. He shouldn't be anywhere near that role as you say. She was keen for the attacks on mosques to be called out for what they are, namely Islamophobia. Now I know some people disagree with the term but I think when places of worship are being attacked I think you're on pretty solid ground calling it out for what it is. Balls was very quick to shout her down saying it was simply racism, and i would have no problem with that argument other than the fact that if you dared to say an attack on a synagogue wasn't ant-Semitism you'd be called out in no uncertain terms. He really is a wanker though....... You make a good point on racism v antisemitism v islamaphobia which I fully get. And while I don't agree with Zultana on everything I very much like her and admire her courage to speak out. But if the the 3 middle aged guys, and a woman as it happens, had not attempted to get a word in edgeways the viewers would simply have had to take a 10 minute monologue squarely on the chin. We pretty much did anyway because any attempts to get some clarity were simply steam rollered. Like we did when they interviewed Yvette Cooper you mean? I didn't mention Garraway not because she's a woman but because she didn't particularly interrupt or join in with the 3 of them actually laughing at her at one point.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 5, 2024 9:01:31 GMT
😂 You stick to your opinion I’ll be busy this winter keeping a eye on people who will be worried about heating or eating Due to a government that you give closet support to But you’ll only keep an eye on them if they are pensioners who do not receive pension credit, such as Tony Blair, King Charles, and Lord Sugar. Not anybody else. Not the sick or disabled or children. Presumably you also support universal income rather than other means tested benefits? You truly haven’t got a clue Or your on a wind up This will be my last reply to you on this topic So I’ll do it as a question Are you happy that pensioners in this country this winter will have to choose between eating and heating A simple yes or no will do
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Post by gawa on Aug 5, 2024 9:16:51 GMT
Yeah I watched the 3 middle aged men patronise and interrupt Zarah Sultana this morning, not a good look but they're the "good guys" so get away with this shit. He shouldn't be anywhere near that role as you say. She was keen for the attacks on mosques to be called out for what they are, namely Islamophobia. Now I know some people disagree with the term but I think when places of worship are being attacked I think you're on pretty solid ground calling it out for what it is. Balls was very quick to shout her down saying it was simply racism, and i would have no problem with that argument other than the fact that if you dared to say an attack on a synagogue wasn't ant-Semitism you'd be called out in no uncertain terms. He really is a wanker though....... You make a good point on racism v antisemitism v islamaphobia which I fully get. And while I don't agree with Zultana on everything I very much like her and admire her courage to speak out. But if the the 3 middle aged guys, and a woman as it happens, had not attempted to get a word in edgeways the viewers would simply have had to take a 10 minute monologue squarely on the chin. We pretty much did anyway because any attempts to get some clarity were simply steam rollered. Seems they are getting plenty of words in here and talking over her.
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Post by Gods on Aug 5, 2024 10:11:54 GMT
You make a good point on racism v antisemitism v islamaphobia which I fully get. And while I don't agree with Zultana on everything I very much like her and admire her courage to speak out. But if the the 3 middle aged guys, and a woman as it happens, had not attempted to get a word in edgeways the viewers would simply have had to take a 10 minute monologue squarely on the chin. We pretty much did anyway because any attempts to get some clarity were simply steam rollered. Seems they are getting plenty of words in here and talking over her. I don't know if you watch this paper review slot they have on Good Morning Britain each day but I think it's normally very good. But for it to work the idea is to have some dialogue between the hosts, the panellists and a guest, if they have one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2024 10:51:09 GMT
Who is a white working class community leader that has been requesting a meeting? I was pondering this very thing in the car earlier. It’s fairly easy to consider who a Muslim leader would be - the Imam. Who would speak for those on the other side of this though? Who are the leaders in these communities? Does anyone have any suggestions for this? Pastors/vicars don’t really speak for a community anymore (certainly not in the way that they used to). So, who are “white working class community leaders”? Who would you be willing to listen to in your area?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 5, 2024 11:07:23 GMT
I was pondering this very thing in the car earlier. It’s fairly easy to consider who a Muslim leader would be - the Imam. Who would speak for those on the other side of this though? Who are the leaders in these communities? Does anyone have any suggestions for this? Pastors/vicars don’t really speak for a community anymore (certainly not in the way that they used to). So, who are “white working class community leaders”? Who would you be willing to listen to in your area? For me the best way of moving forward is town hall style discussions in the areas affected. Everyone involved should have a voice whether that be youth leaders (if there's any left these days!), faith leaders, neighbourhood watch leaders, those involved in housing asylum seekers or whoever is deemed worthy of a seat at the table. If the police unfortunately have to be there to keep counsel then so be it. We have to bridge the divide and move forward, the migrants stuck in hotels aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and the anger should be aimed at the previous government (and this one if they don't act quickly) who have brought the asylum process to a virtual standstill.......
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 5, 2024 11:14:57 GMT
But you’ll only keep an eye on them if they are pensioners who do not receive pension credit, such as Tony Blair, King Charles, and Lord Sugar. Not anybody else. Not the sick or disabled or children. Presumably you also support universal income rather than other means tested benefits? You truly haven’t got a clue Or your on a wind up This will be my last reply to you on this topic So I’ll do it as a question Are you happy that pensioners in this country this winter will have to choose between eating and heating A simple yes or no will do The ones that need the fuel allowance, get the fuel allowance. It's not right that a multi millionaire pensioner should get it. Spoke to my mum yesterday (not a multimillionaire unfortunately) who now won't be getting it and she's not that arsed tbh
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2024 11:26:40 GMT
Does anyone have any suggestions for this? Pastors/vicars don’t really speak for a community anymore (certainly not in the way that they used to). So, who are “white working class community leaders”? Who would you be willing to listen to in your area? For me the best way of moving forward is town hall style discussions in the areas affected. Everyone involved should have a voice whether that be youth leaders (if there's any left these days!), faith leaders, neighbourhood watch leaders, those involved in housing asylum seekers or whoever is deemed worthy of a seat at the table. If the police unfortunately have to be there to keep counsel then so be it. We have to bridge the divide and move forward, the migrants stuck in hotels aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and the anger should be aimed at the previous government (and this one if they don't act quickly) who have brought the asylum process to a virtual standstill....... Sounds sensible to me. Our village has monthly meetings where people can air their grievances etc to the people we elect to run the town but that’s the US. That said, there is a strong sense of community here. Maybe these monthly meetings are missing in the affected areas and if they are present, maybe they should actually be attended?
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Post by AlliG on Aug 5, 2024 12:30:03 GMT
I think the change to the rules could have been applied differently. I am a pensioner and my mother is too and we have not too dissimilar total incomes. I am probably like most people on here; turn my heating off in April and don't turn it back on again until November or December. My mother being 20+ years older spends much more time in her home and uses the heating almost every day (very old people seem to feel the cold a lot worse than we "mere youngsters") and as such her heating bill is at least twice maybe three or even four times mine. Rather than abolishing the heating allowance across the board (other than for those on pension credits), maybe it might have been better to target the older pensioner group (over 80?) and increase the 25p a week additional they currently get? Pensioners like my mother certainly need the additional amount more than I do. That’s sensible. But in reality the implementation costs would exceed the savings. Remember they don’t have a database of people they can sort by different criteria. But they do know who gets pension credits. Hence why they made this change. The government have precisely the exact database they would require and the admin costs would be peanuts. A pensioner aged 80 or over automatically gets got an increased Winter Fuel Allowance. The data is there.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2024 12:33:30 GMT
How was it a mistake or how should he deal with it? How should he deal with it?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2024 12:39:41 GMT
But you’ll only keep an eye on them if they are pensioners who do not receive pension credit, such as Tony Blair, King Charles, and Lord Sugar. Not anybody else. Not the sick or disabled or children. Presumably you also support universal income rather than other means tested benefits? You truly haven’t got a clue Or your on a wind up This will be my last reply to you on this topic So I’ll do it as a question Are you happy that pensioners in this country this winter will have to choose between eating and heating A simple yes or no will do No. Are you happy for the state to pay benefits to Tony Blair and other millionaires just because they are above pension age? You are against means testing for pensioners to claim benefits. Why are you not against it for everyone else?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2024 12:41:14 GMT
That’s sensible. But in reality the implementation costs would exceed the savings. Remember they don’t have a database of people they can sort by different criteria. But they do know who gets pension credits. Hence why they made this change. The government have precisely the exact database they would require and the admin costs would be peanuts. A pensioner aged 80 or over automatically gets got an increased Winter Fuel Allowance. The data is there. What database is that?
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Post by chad on Aug 5, 2024 12:46:21 GMT
I was pondering this very thing in the car earlier. It’s fairly easy to consider who a Muslim leader would be - the Imam. Who would speak for those on the other side of this though? Who are the leaders in these communities? Does anyone have any suggestions for this? Pastors/vicars don’t really speak for a community anymore (certainly not in the way that they used to). So, who are “white working class community leaders”? Who would you be willing to listen to in your area? When community leaders believe in fairy stories (bible or koran) I’d have very little faith in them
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Post by desman2 on Aug 5, 2024 12:51:17 GMT
For me the best way of moving forward is town hall style discussions in the areas affected. Everyone involved should have a voice whether that be youth leaders (if there's any left these days!), faith leaders, neighbourhood watch leaders, those involved in housing asylum seekers or whoever is deemed worthy of a seat at the table. If the police unfortunately have to be there to keep counsel then so be it. We have to bridge the divide and move forward, the migrants stuck in hotels aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and the anger should be aimed at the previous government (and this one if they don't act quickly) who have brought the asylum process to a virtual standstill....... Sounds sensible to me. Our village has monthly meetings where people can air their grievances etc to the people we elect to run the town but that’s the US. That said, there is a strong sense of community here. Maybe these monthly meetings are missing in the affected areas and if they are present, maybe they should actually be attended? Good point. In the US they seem to have public involvement in everything which can only be a good thing. Don't you elect officials such as police chiefs, judges, and other officials. Here everyone is appointed which leaves it open to abuse in as such the appointed being allied to the appointee. When you do elect your officials they tend to perform better because they know they are accountable to that particular population. Simply having officials being accountable to other officials is a breeding ground for corruption.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 5, 2024 13:18:21 GMT
How was it a mistake or how should he deal with it? How should he deal with it? I think the only solution in the short term is to mobilise more police to the areas of concern. And as I said further up key stakeholders in each community need to get under one roof in a town hall or community centre and talk calmly and rationally about how they can move forward. How that looks would be up for debate but would include faith leaders, those involved in the youth/charity sector, the local councillors/MP’s, neighbourhood groups from estates/areas or whoever it may be……
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Post by desman2 on Aug 5, 2024 13:21:44 GMT
How should he deal with it? I think the only solution in the short term is to mobilise more police to the areas of concern. And as I said further up key stakeholders in each community need to get under one roof in a town hall or community centre and talk calmly and rationally about how they can move forward. How that looks would be up for debate but would include faith leaders, those involved in the youth/charity sector, the local councillors/MP’s, neighbourhood groups from estates/areas or whoever it may be…… Totally agree with you. The only stumbling block would be the incessant need for some people to label others simply because they don't agree. If that was stopped then it would work.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 5, 2024 13:30:53 GMT
The government have precisely the exact database they would require and the admin costs would be peanuts. A pensioner aged 80 or over automatically gets got an increased Winter Fuel Allowance. The data is there. What database is that? The Government State Pension or National Insurance websites hold all the required information. (I recently topped up my National Insurance contributions to increase my State Pension to the maximum amount and the first screen after logging on shows the date you qualify for the State Pension in very large type then how many full years of NI have been paid, how many partial years, how much additional NI is required to get a full pension etc.) Using that database it is easy to identify pensioners who have reached aged 80 or over for their automatic increase of 25p a week pension or increased Winter Fuel Allowance.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 5, 2024 13:36:05 GMT
I think the only solution in the short term is to mobilise more police to the areas of concern. And as I said further up key stakeholders in each community need to get under one roof in a town hall or community centre and talk calmly and rationally about how they can move forward. How that looks would be up for debate but would include faith leaders, those involved in the youth/charity sector, the local councillors/MP’s, neighbourhood groups from estates/areas or whoever it may be…… Totally agree with you. The only stumbling block would be the incessant need for some people to label others simply because they don't agree. If that was stopped then it would work. Fuck me, if that was the case the political threads on this forum would be half the size they are now.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 5, 2024 16:25:17 GMT
Does anyone have any suggestions for this? Pastors/vicars don’t really speak for a community anymore (certainly not in the way that they used to). So, who are “white working class community leaders”? Who would you be willing to listen to in your area? When community leaders believe in fairy stories (bible or koran) I’d have very little faith in them I agree mate. Just my thoughts but for me religion has got no place in the modern world and causes so much shit you have to question whether it's worth it.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 5, 2024 16:37:46 GMT
There’s absolutely no hope whatsoever😡
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Post by chad on Aug 5, 2024 17:29:39 GMT
When community leaders believe in fairy stories (bible or koran) I’d have very little faith in them I agree mate. Just my thoughts but for me religion has got no place in the modern world and causes so much shit you have to question whether it's worth it. I think church going Christian’s are very much a dying breed. Certainly in the UK. Muslims however are hanging on to their outdated beliefs. Maybe it’s because it’s a few hundred years younger and they need another few hundred years to face reality
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 5, 2024 18:10:19 GMT
I agree mate. Just my thoughts but for me religion has got no place in the modern world and causes so much shit you have to question whether it's worth it. I think church going Christian’s are very much a dying breed. Certainly in the UK. Muslims however are hanging on to their outdated beliefs. Maybe it’s because it’s a few hundred years younger and they need another few hundred years to face reality The sooner they do the better for everyone.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 5, 2024 18:11:24 GMT
There’s absolutely no hope whatsoever😡 He should have gone to Specsavers.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2024 18:14:56 GMT
When community leaders believe in fairy stories (bible or koran) I’d have very little faith in them I agree mate. Just my thoughts but for me religion has got no place in the modern world and causes so much shit you have to question whether it's worth it. I agree. But billions disagree with you and I though. And plenty of those blindly follow whatever their religious leaders say. A bit like people blindly following what Lawrence Fox or Tommy Robinson guess! Just as much make believe, that for sure.
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