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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 18:28:00 GMT
Thats not what I said. Tony Blair condemned both sides in Northern Ireland but opened his ears up to listen to what each side had to say. It resulted in the good Friday agreement. Solutions can be found. Starmer won't or more likely can't figure that out and tries to solve it by using language that most people would recognise as mud slinging. How about officials actually meeting with white working class community leaders for a change? They seem to want to meet every other community leader but these. Who is a white working class community leader that has been requesting a meeting?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 18:28:52 GMT
Why is it not the current opposition’s fault then? Never said it wasn't oggy. They've all had a part to play, particularlythe last tory govt. They are all so out of touch with these communities and the burdens that have been placed upon them. And I'm finding starmers rhetoric very confusing right now. In my opinion he is very much displaying how far labour have moved away from being the party for the working class. None of them are the party for the working class and none of them really say they are. It isn’t a vote winner.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 18:31:19 GMT
Freeze pensioners! Pensioners earn more than workers on acerafe in this country. You’ve either got a touch of the benji’s Or you’ve lost the plot or both Every Sunday I pop round and see my best mates wife he died a year and a half ago I promised I’d keep a eye out for her She gets a hundred and twenty pounds a month private pension That takes her just over the pension credit limit She’s losing £500 pounds this winter and she is one of millions You and millions of others should be ashamed to have voted for a party that is prepared to subject pensioners to fuel poverty And the indignity of means testing I voted lib dem. Pensioners earn more than workers on average as I posted in the link above. If you care about poor pensioners, why do you want to end pension credits? They are means tested (and so provide the basis for the winter fuel payments) but you call that an indignity.
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Post by 4372 on Aug 4, 2024 18:42:34 GMT
Millions of people will not be losing £500 this winter. Last year my household received £500 in winter fuel allowance, along with approximately 11 million other people. This included an extra, top-up allowance, as a response to the increased fuel prices. It was announced in early 2024 that this top-up allowance will not operate this year. This was known before the recent election. The winter fuel allowance this year will be around £300 for those who qualify, (which I don't) It is therefore wrong to claim that anyone is losing £500 this year. No-one, or very few people will ever get £500, certainly not "millions" Happy to be corrected on this.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 18:49:56 GMT
You’ve either got a touch of the benji’s Or you’ve lost the plot or both Every Sunday I pop round and see my best mates wife he died a year and a half ago I promised I’d keep a eye out for her She gets a hundred and twenty pounds a month private pension That takes her just over the pension credit limit She’s losing £500 pounds this winter and she is one of millions You and millions of others should be ashamed to have voted for a party that is prepared to subject pensioners to fuel poverty And the indignity of means testing I voted lib dem. Pensioners earn more than workers on average as I posted in the link above. If you care about poor pensioners, why do you want to end pension credits? They are means tested (and so provide the basis for the winter fuel payments) but you call that an indignity. I don’t want to end pension credits There approximately 800 thousand who are eligible who don’t apply Is that because there not aware or is it because there to proud to claim it There from a generation who worked hard and can remember there parents talking about true means testing My grandfather stood at a factory gate whilst someone pointed his finger you you you the rest of you can go home The fact that a alleged Labour government can remove a pensioners heating allowance Just so they can buy off public service workers who will retire earlier with a pension millions can only dream off is a disgrace As for voting Liberal Democrat A bunch of chancing charlatans who will try to ride two horse with one arse Unprincipled tossers
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 19:20:45 GMT
I voted lib dem. Pensioners earn more than workers on average as I posted in the link above. If you care about poor pensioners, why do you want to end pension credits? They are means tested (and so provide the basis for the winter fuel payments) but you call that an indignity. I don’t want to end pension credits There approximately 800 thousand who are eligible who don’t apply Is that because there not aware or is it because there to proud to claim it There from a generation who worked hard and can remember there parents talking about true means testing My grandfather stood at a factory gate whilst someone pointed his finger you you you the rest of you can go home The fact that a alleged Labour government can remove a pensioners heating allowance Just so they can buy off public service workers who will retire earlier with a pension millions can only dream off is a disgrace As for voting Liberal Democrat A bunch of chancing charlatans who will try to ride two horse with one arse Unprincipled tossers You support pension credits but are against means testing. You are a hypocrite. Pensioners still earn more than workers on average. The vast majority don’t need winter fuel payments. The poorest ones will still get it.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 4, 2024 19:31:33 GMT
I voted lib dem. Pensioners earn more than workers on average as I posted in the link above. If you care about poor pensioners, why do you want to end pension credits? They are means tested (and so provide the basis for the winter fuel payments) but you call that an indignity. The fact that a alleged Labour government can remove a pensioners heating allowance Just so they can buy off public service workers who will retire earlier with a pension millions can only dream off is a disgrace If junior doctors leave the NHS because of the erosion in pay since 2010 then pensioners either won't get treated , or we will need more immigration. Which would you prefer?
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 19:49:57 GMT
I don’t want to end pension credits There approximately 800 thousand who are eligible who don’t apply Is that because there not aware or is it because there to proud to claim it There from a generation who worked hard and can remember there parents talking about true means testing My grandfather stood at a factory gate whilst someone pointed his finger you you you the rest of you can go home The fact that a alleged Labour government can remove a pensioners heating allowance Just so they can buy off public service workers who will retire earlier with a pension millions can only dream off is a disgrace As for voting Liberal Democrat A bunch of chancing charlatans who will try to ride two horse with one arse Unprincipled tossers You support pension credits but are against means testing. You are a hypocrite. Pensioners still earn more than workers on average. The vast majority don’t need winter fuel payments. The poorest ones will still get it. I’ll take that as a compliment the Liberal Democrat’s are experts on hypocrisy
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Post by henry on Aug 4, 2024 20:09:19 GMT
I don’t want to end pension credits There approximately 800 thousand who are eligible who don’t apply Is that because there not aware or is it because there to proud to claim it There from a generation who worked hard and can remember there parents talking about true means testing My grandfather stood at a factory gate whilst someone pointed his finger you you you the rest of you can go home The fact that a alleged Labour government can remove a pensioners heating allowance Just so they can buy off public service workers who will retire earlier with a pension millions can only dream off is a disgrace As for voting Liberal Democrat A bunch of chancing charlatans who will try to ride two horse with one arse Unprincipled tossers You support pension credits but are against means testing. You are a hypocrite. Pensioners still earn more than workers on average. The vast majority don’t need winter fuel payments. The poorest ones will still get it. Getting Pension credits is a gateway to all sorts of other benefits which puts them better off than someone just receiving the state pension.
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Post by 4372 on Aug 4, 2024 20:25:25 GMT
Anyone who can legitimately claim a benefit off the state, pension credits included, should make sure they put their claim in, absolutely.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 20:29:31 GMT
You support pension credits but are against means testing. You are a hypocrite. Pensioners still earn more than workers on average. The vast majority don’t need winter fuel payments. The poorest ones will still get it. I’ll take that as a compliment the Liberal Democrat’s are experts on hypocrisy Perhaps they learned from you
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 20:30:57 GMT
You support pension credits but are against means testing. You are a hypocrite. Pensioners still earn more than workers on average. The vast majority don’t need winter fuel payments. The poorest ones will still get it. Getting Pension credits is a gateway to all sorts of other benefits which puts them better off than someone just receiving the state pension. Absolutely. Those benefits are rightly means tested. Waga believes there shouldn’t be means testing for them and they should be universal, even for the super rich.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 4, 2024 20:33:30 GMT
I don’t want to end pension credits There approximately 800 thousand who are eligible who don’t apply Is that because there not aware or is it because there to proud to claim it There from a generation who worked hard and can remember there parents talking about true means testing My grandfather stood at a factory gate whilst someone pointed his finger you you you the rest of you can go home The fact that a alleged Labour government can remove a pensioners heating allowance Just so they can buy off public service workers who will retire earlier with a pension millions can only dream off is a disgrace As for voting Liberal Democrat A bunch of chancing charlatans who will try to ride two horse with one arse Unprincipled tossers You support pension credits but are against means testing. You are a hypocrite. Pensioners still earn more than workers on average. The vast majority don’t need winter fuel payments. The poorest ones will still get it. I think the change to the rules could have been applied differently. I am a pensioner and my mother is too and we have not too dissimilar total incomes. I am probably like most people on here; turn my heating off in April and don't turn it back on again until November or December. My mother being 20+ years older spends much more time in her home and uses the heating almost every day (very old people seem to feel the cold a lot worse than we "mere youngsters") and as such her heating bill is at least twice maybe three or even four times mine. Rather than abolishing the heating allowance across the board (other than for those on pension credits), maybe it might have been better to target the older pensioner group (over 80?) and increase the 25p a week additional they currently get? Pensioners like my mother certainly need the additional amount more than I do.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 21:22:45 GMT
You support pension credits but are against means testing. You are a hypocrite. Pensioners still earn more than workers on average. The vast majority don’t need winter fuel payments. The poorest ones will still get it. I think the change to the rules could have been applied differently. I am a pensioner and my mother is too and we have not too dissimilar total incomes. I am probably like most people on here; turn my heating off in April and don't turn it back on again until November or December. My mother being 20+ years older spends much more time in her home and uses the heating almost every day (very old people seem to feel the cold a lot worse than we "mere youngsters") and as such her heating bill is at least twice maybe three or even four times mine. Rather than abolishing the heating allowance across the board (other than for those on pension credits), maybe it might have been better to target the older pensioner group (over 80?) and increase the 25p a week additional they currently get? Pensioners like my mother certainly need the additional amount more than I do. That’s sensible. But in reality the implementation costs would exceed the savings. Remember they don’t have a database of people they can sort by different criteria. But they do know who gets pension credits. Hence why they made this change.
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Post by chad on Aug 4, 2024 21:23:50 GMT
Good speech, calling it out for what it is. These single-celled racist amoebas do not represent the vast majority of British people. I would say you are wrong. Just because the majority don't go out causing trouble doesn't mean they don't think the same thing. I think you only have to listen in to any pub conversation to realise that this is right
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2024 21:30:30 GMT
How about officials actually meeting with white working class community leaders for a change? They seem to want to meet every other community leader but these. Who is a white working class community leader that has been requesting a meeting? I was pondering this very thing in the car earlier. It’s fairly easy to consider who a Muslim leader would be - the Imam. Who would speak for those on the other side of this though? Who are the leaders in these communities?
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Post by andystokey on Aug 4, 2024 21:34:26 GMT
Who is a white working class community leader that has been requesting a meeting? I was pondering this very thing in the car earlier. It’s fairly easy to consider who a Muslim leader would be - the Imam. Who would speak for those on the other side of this though? Who are the leaders in these communities? Who sent the memo round to meet up in Hanley, Middlesbrough, Hull and Rotherham ? A local concerned citizen?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2024 21:35:44 GMT
I was pondering this very thing in the car earlier. It’s fairly easy to consider who a Muslim leader would be - the Imam. Who would speak for those on the other side of this though? Who are the leaders in these communities? Who sent the memo round to meet up in Hanley, Middlesbrough, Hull and Rotherham ? A local concerned citizen? Social media? I don’t know bud, it’s why I asked.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 21:49:43 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Aug 4, 2024 21:51:06 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Aug 4, 2024 21:53:41 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 22:18:21 GMT
I’ll take that as a compliment the Liberal Democrat’s are experts on hypocrisy Perhaps they learned from you 😂 You stick to your opinion I’ll be busy this winter keeping a eye on people who will be worried about heating or eating Due to a government that you give closet support to
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2024 23:03:01 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 4, 2024 23:14:19 GMT
I don't blame Starmer for the last few days he's been in the job for 5 minutes.
I do think his pandering to the red wall was a massive mistake though, and as many of these rioting northern towns (such as ours) are Tory turned Labour seats he needs to own the current situation and the people involved and deal with it accordingly......
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Post by professorplump on Aug 4, 2024 23:59:25 GMT
He's been a member of an extraordinary ineffective opposition that should have held the ineffective govt to far more account... Why is it not the current opposition’s fault then? Part of the problem at the moment is that there is no opposition.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2024 7:02:40 GMT
Perhaps they learned from you 😂 You stick to your opinion I’ll be busy this winter keeping a eye on people who will be worried about heating or eating Due to a government that you give closet support to But you’ll only keep an eye on them if they are pensioners who do not receive pension credit, such as Tony Blair, King Charles, and Lord Sugar. Not anybody else. Not the sick or disabled or children. Presumably you also support universal income rather than other means tested benefits?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2024 7:07:03 GMT
Why is it not the current opposition’s fault then? Part of the problem at the moment is that there is no opposition. Other than Farage, everyone in the Commons seems to be on the same page with complete and utter condemnation of the violence. So I am not sure what a formal opposition could say or do to help stop people ransacking their own local community.
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Post by professorplump on Aug 5, 2024 7:08:31 GMT
While these riots are clearly not Starmer's fault, it is a shame that he didn't acknowledge that not all the violence is coming from the far right. At a time when he should be trying to bring the country together, I think he will end up dividing it further. I totally condemn the riots and I hope those involved get stiff sentences however they have been coming for a long time. Unfortunately anyone who has legitimate concerns on the levels of immigration is just dismissed by the morally superior left wing as being either racist, fascist, Islamophobic or xenophobic or in the words of Bayernoatcake 'thick as fuck'. It is not surprising that Tommy Robinson attracts more and more followers. People think they are not being listened to. Personally I believe a certain amount of immigration is good for the country but the current levels are totally unsustainable. It would be nice if our government would address peoples concerns and have a grown up discussion about it but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 5, 2024 7:11:11 GMT
I don't blame Starmer for the last few days he's been in the job for 5 minutes. I do think his pandering to the red wall was a massive mistake though, and as many of these rioting northern towns (such as ours) are Tory turned Labour seats he needs to own the current situation and the people involved and deal with it accordingly...... How?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 5, 2024 7:14:51 GMT
I don't blame Starmer for the last few days he's been in the job for 5 minutes. I do think his pandering to the red wall was a massive mistake though, and as many of these rioting northern towns (such as ours) are Tory turned Labour seats he needs to own the current situation and the people involved and deal with it accordingly...... How? How was it a mistake or how should he deal with it?
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