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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 4, 2024 16:35:22 GMT
The bloke is utterly clueless, the sheer ignorance of the overall situation is mind blowing. Is he purposely trying to goad these imbeciles into more destruction? Someone is going to get killed soon, then you’ll see some real riots.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 4, 2024 16:36:35 GMT
Good speech, calling it out for what it is. These single-celled racist amoebas do not represent the vast majority of British people. Agreed. Like the BBC he’s too quick to label on mass and politicise. Could it be that they’re thugs with racist views rather than being members of a specific group. You could probably ask 100 people what is far right and they’d all give you different answers.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 16:37:12 GMT
I'm no Starmer fan but these riots are an accumulation of the last 14-20 years, to try and solely blame him as the cause for this is wrong. Many other politicians have been stoking these fires for years. With that said his response and the response of his colleagues has been nothing short of appalling and that criticism is fair. What solves the rioting immediately then?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 4, 2024 16:38:32 GMT
Starmer: Come on if you think you're hard enough Rioters: Awright.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 16:39:18 GMT
I'm no Starmer fan but these riots are an accumulation of the last 14-20 years, to try and solely blame him as the cause for this is wrong. Many other politicians have been stoking these fires for years. With that said his response and the response of his colleagues has been nothing short of appalling and that criticism is fair. What solves the rioting immediately then? A tone down of language and someone passing the ear drops around so they can hear properly.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 4, 2024 16:40:10 GMT
The bloke is utterly clueless, the sheer ignorance of the overall situation is mind blowing. Is he purposely trying to goad these imbeciles into more destruction? Someone is going to get killed soon, then you’ll see some real riots. Hopefully nothing that serious happens Badge but a death on either side of the groups rioting and the country will completely erupt.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 16:42:37 GMT
I'm no Starmer fan but these riots are an accumulation of the last 14-20 years, to try and solely blame him as the cause for this is wrong. Many other politicians have been stoking these fires for years. With that said his response and the response of his colleagues has been nothing short of appalling and that criticism is fair. What solves the rioting immediately then? Some torrential rain And a cold spell usually helps
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 4, 2024 16:43:34 GMT
The bloke is utterly clueless, the sheer ignorance of the overall situation is mind blowing. Is he purposely trying to goad these imbeciles into more destruction? Someone is going to get killed soon, then you’ll see some real riots. He’s that weak he doesn’t know what to do and is having his strings pulled by others in his party. He’s just the mouthpiece and a poor one at that.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 16:46:17 GMT
What solves the rioting immediately then? A tone down of language and someone passing the ear drops around so they can hear properly. So you think playing down the violence and criminal damage will end them sooner? Interesting. It would be a controversial move. It certainly wouldn’t end the riots. It would also totally play into the hands of the rioters about 2 tiered policing if he allowed these thugs to continue without much condemnation or many consequences, compared with how many were arrested during the Black Lives Matter protests or the just stop oil protesters.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 16:46:55 GMT
What solves the rioting immediately then? Some torrential rain And a cold spell usually helps You are absolutely right. And what power does Starmer have over that?
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 16:47:41 GMT
Poor old Maggie will be turning in her grave Finally get a right wing prime minster
And he’s as week as piss
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 4, 2024 16:48:05 GMT
I'm no Starmer fan but these riots are an accumulation of the last 14-20 years, to try and solely blame him as the cause for this is wrong. Many other politicians have been stoking these fires for years. With that said his response and the response of his colleagues has been nothing short of appalling and that criticism is fair. What solves the rioting immediately then? It will never happen, but maybe some concession from Starmer and the Labour Party that a grown up conversation is required about immigration along with some direction to the police to demonstrate impartial policing.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 16:48:17 GMT
The bloke is utterly clueless, the sheer ignorance of the overall situation is mind blowing. Is he purposely trying to goad these imbeciles into more destruction? Someone is going to get killed soon, then you’ll see some real riots. He’s that weak he doesn’t know what to do and is having his strings pulled by others in his party. He’s just the mouthpiece and a poor one at that. Amazing the criticism of Starmer’s response yet no single practical suggestions of what he should do differently other than go easier on the criminal behaviour!
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 16:50:11 GMT
Some torrential rain And a cold spell usually helps You are absolutely right. And what power does Starmer have over that? Quite a lot in some people’s minds it was only a few weeks a go some on here thought he walked on water Though that was probably before he decide to freeze pensioners to death this winter
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 16:51:30 GMT
What solves the rioting immediately then? It will never happen, but maybe some concession from Starmer and the Labour Party that a grown up conversation is required about immigration along with some direction to the police to demonstrate impartial policing. He has done that on immigration. It is exactly what he is doing. But unfortunately those unhappy about immigration have absolutely no answers themselves. They just want fewer foreigners (but would be happy to be treated by their foreign doctor). Impartial policing!? So you want white people stop and searched more to be more like black and Asian people? You want sentencing for these violent thugs to be much more than blocking a motorway?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 16:52:18 GMT
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 16:59:53 GMT
A tone down of language and someone passing the ear drops around so they can hear properly. So you think playing down the violence and criminal damage will end them sooner? Interesting. It would be a controversial move. It certainly wouldn’t end the riots. It would also totally play into the hands of the rioters about 2 tiered policing if he allowed these thugs to continue without much condemnation or many consequences, compared with how many were arrested during the Black Lives Matter protests or the just stop oil protesters. Thats not what I said. Tony Blair condemned both sides in Northern Ireland but opened his ears up to listen to what each side had to say. It resulted in the good Friday agreement. Solutions can be found. Starmer won't or more likely can't figure that out and tries to solve it by using language that most people would recognise as mud slinging.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 17:00:26 GMT
Quite a lot in some people’s minds it was only a few weeks a go some on here thought he walked on water Though that was probably before he decide to freeze pensioners to death this winter Freeze pensioners! Pensioners earn more than workers on acerafe in this country. You’ve either got a touch of the benji’s Or you’ve lost the plot or both Every Sunday I pop round and see my best mates wife he died a year and a half ago I promised I’d keep a eye out for her She gets a hundred and twenty pounds a month private pension That takes her just over the pension credit limit She’s losing £500 pounds this winter and she is one of millions You and millions of others should be ashamed to have voted for a party that is prepared to subject pensioners to fuel poverty And the indignity of means testing
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Post by starkiller on Aug 4, 2024 17:01:47 GMT
Good speech, calling it out for what it is. These single-celled racist amoebas do not represent the vast majority of British people. Starmer was totally correct to call out mindless violence. And an abject failure in his obsession with labels and failing to recognise that even those that don't support these riots have genuine concerns about issues of rapid immigration in vast numbers, privileged treatment of obviously fake asylum seekers, whilst the burden on the ordinary taxpayer and lack of services for them is the worst ever seen.
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Post by andystokey on Aug 4, 2024 17:08:13 GMT
What solves the rioting immediately then? It will never happen, but maybe some concession from Starmer and the Labour Party that a grown up conversation is required about immigration along with some direction to the police to demonstrate impartial policing. Some of what we have seen isn't about immigration though it's about colour? Genuine question, the slogan "enough is enough" can someone enlighten me please because it's about as vague as "take back control". Is the "enough" starting today? Or is there a group that wants some reachback? The "Paki" chants yesterday and targeting of any random Asians and a black English bloke doesn't really fit the profile. Is it anyone that has ever come to this country or is there a cut off date?
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Post by metalhead on Aug 4, 2024 17:08:13 GMT
Good speech, calling it out for what it is. These single-celled racist amoebas do not represent the vast majority of British people. Starmer was totally correct to call out mindless violence. And an abject failure in his obsession with labels and failing to recognise that even those that don't support these riots have genuine concerns about issues of rapid immigration in vast numbers, privileged treatment of obviously fake asylum seekers, whilst the burden on the ordinary taxpayer and lack of services for them is the worst ever seen. And this is where he'll either sink or swim.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 4, 2024 17:09:57 GMT
Freeze pensioners! Pensioners earn more than workers on acerafe in this country. You’ve either got a touch of the benji’s Or you’ve lost the plot or both Every Sunday I pop round and see my best mates wife he died a year and a half ago I promised I’d keep a eye out for her She gets a hundred and twenty pounds a month private pension That takes her just over the pension credit limit She’s losing £500 pounds this winter and she is one of millions You and millions of others should be ashamed to have voted for a party that is prepared to subject pensioners to fuel poverty And the indignity of means testing really hope this isn't true and she stays safe.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 4, 2024 17:12:38 GMT
He's been a member of an extraordinary ineffective opposition that should have held the ineffective govt to far more account... Why is it not the current opposition’s fault then? Never said it wasn't oggy. They've all had a part to play, particularlythe last tory govt. They are all so out of touch with these communities and the burdens that have been placed upon them. And I'm finding starmers rhetoric very confusing right now. In my opinion he is very much displaying how far labour have moved away from being the party for the working class.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 17:15:02 GMT
You’ve either got a touch of the benji’s Or you’ve lost the plot or both Every Sunday I pop round and see my best mates wife he died a year and a half ago I promised I’d keep a eye out for her She gets a hundred and twenty pounds a month private pension That takes her just over the pension credit limit She’s losing £500 pounds this winter and she is one of millions You and millions of others should be ashamed to have voted for a party that is prepared to subject pensioners to fuel poverty And the indignity of means testing really hope this isn't true and she stays safe. Oh it’s true and will be for hundreds of thousands But I will guarantee she’ll not freeze this winter well while I last anyway
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 17:19:27 GMT
Freeze pensioners! Pensioners earn more than workers on acerafe in this country. You’ve either got a touch of the benji’s Or you’ve lost the plot or both Every Sunday I pop round and see my best mates wife he died a year and a half ago I promised I’d keep a eye out for her She gets a hundred and twenty pounds a month private pension That takes her just over the pension credit limit She’s losing £500 pounds this winter and she is one of millions You and millions of others should be ashamed to have voted for a party that is prepared to subject pensioners to fuel poverty And the indignity of means testing I love the bit about pensioners owning their own houses thus having lower housing costs. They fail to understand that those houses were purchased by said pensioner paying a mortgage for 25 years. They also fail to realise that the costs of house maintenance are not cheap. They are paid out of their own pockets and not by a landlord. Another thing they fail to mention is that rents are expensive because of supply and demand. The basic principle of how an economy works. You can pick that article to pieces quite easily. Concerning fuel poverty. They take up to £500 off some of the most vulnerable in cold weather while having the means to claim up to £3400 a year in utility allowances themselves.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 4, 2024 17:22:10 GMT
It will never happen, but maybe some concession from Starmer and the Labour Party that a grown up conversation is required about immigration along with some direction to the police to demonstrate impartial policing. He has done that on immigration. It is exactly what he is doing. But unfortunately those unhappy about immigration have absolutely no answers themselves. They just want fewer foreigners (but would be happy to be treated by their foreign doctor). Impartial policing!? So you want white people stop and searched more to be more like black and Asian people? You want sentencing for these violent thugs to be much more than blocking a motorway? What by giving even more amnesties and waving them through to clear the backlog? That’s not dealing with the fact that we are sustaining this and the country cannot keep on doing so. Stop search has got naff all to do with it, white people get stop searched and any stop search has to be based on information and intelligence. I have many friends in policing and they tell me they go out of their way to avoid searching BAME background persons and apply a far lower threshold on white peoples to avoid the inevitable outcry about being racist coming their way. The police through political interference and poor leadership have lost the one thing they once had which is impartiality. The approaches we’ve seen over recent weeks and the nonsense of asking nicely the bad guys to not take weapons is evidence of that.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 4, 2024 17:24:21 GMT
So you think playing down the violence and criminal damage will end them sooner? Interesting. It would be a controversial move. It certainly wouldn’t end the riots. It would also totally play into the hands of the rioters about 2 tiered policing if he allowed these thugs to continue without much condemnation or many consequences, compared with how many were arrested during the Black Lives Matter protests or the just stop oil protesters. Thats not what I said. Tony Blair condemned both sides in Northern Ireland but opened his ears up to listen to what each side had to say. It resulted in the good Friday agreement. Solutions can be found. Starmer won't or more likely can't figure that out and tries to solve it by using language that most people would recognise as mud slinging. How about officials actually meeting with white working class community leaders for a change? They seem to want to meet every other community leader but these.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 17:26:34 GMT
Thats not what I said. Tony Blair condemned both sides in Northern Ireland but opened his ears up to listen to what each side had to say. It resulted in the good Friday agreement. Solutions can be found. Starmer won't or more likely can't figure that out and tries to solve it by using language that most people would recognise as mud slinging. How about officials actually meeting with white working class community leaders for a change? They seem to want to meet every other community leader but these. Don't start talking sense. It will confuse some.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 4, 2024 17:27:49 GMT
Thats not what I said. Tony Blair condemned both sides in Northern Ireland but opened his ears up to listen to what each side had to say. It resulted in the good Friday agreement. Solutions can be found. Starmer won't or more likely can't figure that out and tries to solve it by using language that most people would recognise as mud slinging. How about officials actually meeting with white working class community leaders for a change? They seem to want to meet every other community leader but these. Probably because they don’t want to or are afraid of what they might hear
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 18:26:48 GMT
He has done that on immigration. It is exactly what he is doing. But unfortunately those unhappy about immigration have absolutely no answers themselves. They just want fewer foreigners (but would be happy to be treated by their foreign doctor). Impartial policing!? So you want white people stop and searched more to be more like black and Asian people? You want sentencing for these violent thugs to be much more than blocking a motorway? What by giving even more amnesties and waving them through to clear the backlog? That’s not dealing with the fact that we are sustaining this and the country cannot keep on doing so. Stop search has got naff all to do with it, white people get stop searched and any stop search has to be based on information and intelligence. I have many friends in policing and they tell me they go out of their way to avoid searching BAME background persons and apply a far lower threshold on white peoples to avoid the inevitable outcry about being racist coming their way. The police through political interference and poor leadership have lost the one thing they once had which is impartiality. The approaches we’ve seen over recent weeks and the nonsense of asking nicely the bad guys to not take weapons is evidence of that. He hasn’t given more amnesties or waved anyone through. He wants to process claims to save billions of pounds rather than house people in hotels. Those who have a legally valid claim to be here will stay. Others will be deported. Legal migration is where changes can actually be made and numbers reduced, but we have to do it without major shortages to workforces as a result. No right wing party has a solution to that. Certainly Farage doesn’t. I have heard any of the protesters set out what specific changes they want to immigration laws to improve the situation here. Every single piece of data shows that black and Asian men are more likely to be stopped and searched than white men. Given the widespread criminal behaviour of predominantly white men/boys, I would say that should really be reversed.
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