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Post by metalhead on Aug 4, 2024 11:25:29 GMT
I don't think the current situation can be blamed on Starmer. He's not having a great time though, admittedly. If it was the World Cup he's struggling to even qualify for the tournament after defeats to Liechtenstein and Luxembourg. He's already lost the supporters and his own dressing room. He's going to be a complete disaster isn't he. he's about a month in, after 15 years of piss poor Tory bullshit. He inherited a country already on the edge. The stabbings pushed it over.
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Post by knype on Aug 4, 2024 11:28:09 GMT
If it was the World Cup he's struggling to even qualify for the tournament after defeats to Liechtenstein and Luxembourg. He's already lost the supporters and his own dressing room. He's going to be a complete disaster isn't he. he's about a month in, after 15 years of piss poor Tory bullshit. He inherited a country already on the edge. The stabbings pushed it over. But his press conference was an absolute car crash and fanned the flames even more.
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Post by stokeson on Aug 4, 2024 11:36:22 GMT
A week of shame from you lot and you want to blame Stamer .What a bunch of fools you are..................
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Post by knype on Aug 4, 2024 11:38:43 GMT
A week of shame from you lot and you want to blame Stammer .What a bunch of fools you are.................. It's Starmer. And from which lot exactly ?
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Post by stokeson on Aug 4, 2024 11:41:07 GMT
A week of shame from you lot and you want to blame Stammer .What a bunch of fools you are.................. It's Starmer. And from which lot exactly ? I know you by your word and deeds......
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Post by metalhead on Aug 4, 2024 11:42:12 GMT
he's about a month in, after 15 years of piss poor Tory bullshit. He inherited a country already on the edge. The stabbings pushed it over. But his press conference was an absolute car crash and fanned the flames even more. He's really not to blame. I'm not saying he's handling it well but you're deluded if you think this is on him.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 4, 2024 11:45:52 GMT
But his press conference was an absolute car crash and fanned the flames even more. He's really not to blame. I'm not saying he's handling it well but you're deluded if you think this is on him. He's been a member of an extraordinary ineffective opposition that should have held the ineffective govt to far more account...
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Post by sticky on Aug 4, 2024 11:47:09 GMT
I’m not blaming him, just making the point he’s the leader and needs to lead. Very easy to sit in opposition criticising, but now he’s in power things are much different. I suppose what I would like to hear more than anything else, is a statement that doesn’t flip flop every week and appeases things if only for the short time. Love him or loathe him he seems to change his opinion more than his pants, not good when things like this are going on
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Post by metalhead on Aug 4, 2024 11:53:03 GMT
He's really not to blame. I'm not saying he's handling it well but you're deluded if you think this is on him. He's been a member of an extraordinary ineffective opposition that should have held the ineffective govt to far more account... Like red jezza did? But nobody liked him did they because he's a communist or some other rubbish.
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Post by ian57 on Aug 4, 2024 11:53:20 GMT
Starmer is finding out that it is easy to snipe from the sidelines when you are in opposition but when you are the head honcho it’s a different matter. He is a walking disaster imo and I still think that the Labour Party will get shot at the first opportunity.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 4, 2024 12:25:04 GMT
He's been a member of an extraordinary ineffective opposition that should have held the ineffective govt to far more account... Like red jezza did? But nobody liked him did they because he's a communist or some other rubbish. I'm not putting all the blame on him just saying he's been part of the problem as an ineffective opposition party and now he's got the big job he needs to sort it out. And hopefully all parties can work together instead of making it worse sniping at each other..
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Post by knype on Aug 4, 2024 12:30:45 GMT
It's Starmer. And from which lot exactly ? I know you by your word and deeds...... Deeds ? Please try to
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 4, 2024 12:39:21 GMT
I’m not blaming him, just making the point he’s the leader and needs to lead. Very easy to sit in opposition criticising, but now he’s in power things are much different. I suppose what I would like to hear more than anything else, is a statement that doesn’t flip flop every week and appeases things if only for the short time. Love him or loathe him he seems to change his opinion more than his pants, not good when things like this are going on The bloke has the air of a supply teacher. He'd get pulled apart trying to corral a bunch of 14 year olds at a rough inner city comprehensive school. His old man might have been a tool maker, he might have been lucky to have l had a scholarship to a public school, but he's no idea or insight about the section of the population who are raising their concerns, he's labelled them and lost them within a month of taking over. He's no better than Gordon Brown with Gillian Duffy. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bigotgate-gordon-brown-anniversary-gillian-duffy-transcript-full-read-1957274.htmlThe irony being Brown's downfall began in Rochdale. To be fair to Starmer, like Brown's conversation with Duffy shows, most other politicians probably suffer from the same lack of everyday experience given the cosseted lives they end up leading, whatever party they're part of.
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Post by sticky on Aug 4, 2024 13:00:13 GMT
I’m not blaming him, just making the point he’s the leader and needs to lead. Very easy to sit in opposition criticising, but now he’s in power things are much different. I suppose what I would like to hear more than anything else, is a statement that doesn’t flip flop every week and appeases things if only for the short time. Love him or loathe him he seems to change his opinion more than his pants, not good when things like this are going on The bloke has the air of a supply teacher. He'd get pulled apart trying to corral a bunch of 14 year olds at a rough inner city comprehensive school. His old man might have been a tool maker, he might have been lucky to have l had a scholarship to a public school, but he's no idea or insight about the section of the population who are raising their concerns, he's labelled them and lost them within a month of taking over. He's no better than Gordon Brown with Gillian Duffy. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bigotgate-gordon-brown-anniversary-gillian-duffy-transcript-full-read-1957274.htmlThe irony being Brown's downfall began in Rochdale. To be fair to Starmer, like Brown's conversation with Duffy shows, most other politicians probably suffer from the same lack of everyday experience given the cosseted lives they end up leading, whatever party they're part of. very true that cranny
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Post by metalhead on Aug 4, 2024 13:04:39 GMT
Like red jezza did? But nobody liked him did they because he's a communist or some other rubbish. I'm not putting all the blame on him just saying he's been part of the problem as an ineffective opposition party and now he's got the big job he needs to sort it out. And hopefully all parties can work together instead of making it worse sniping at each other.. Im not disagreeing btw but we had a strong labour leader. It was Jezza. Yes he's more left wing than most would like but he's the exact challenge to the opposition that you're describing. Now we have a watered down Tony Blair.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 4, 2024 13:27:02 GMT
Has he said anything yet?
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 13:30:06 GMT
I'm not putting all the blame on him just saying he's been part of the problem as an ineffective opposition party and now he's got the big job he needs to sort it out. And hopefully all parties can work together instead of making it worse sniping at each other.. Im not disagreeing btw but we had a strong labour leader. It was Jezza. Yes he's more left wing than most would like but he's the exact challenge to the opposition that you're describing. Now we have a watered down Tony Blair. You are correct. You can't imagine Jezza would say he preferred the Davos way like two tier did. Maybe that's why he was driven out. Maybe he had some ideas that some would refer to as a bit wacky but he was certainly genuine. Starmer Cooper and others are complete frauds who believed that they could simply do as they pleased and have now come unstuck.
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Post by henry on Aug 4, 2024 13:33:43 GMT
Has he said anything yet? "The foods shit and there isn't enough sunbeds"
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 4, 2024 13:35:09 GMT
Has he said anything yet? The script hasn't been written yet.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 4, 2024 13:40:33 GMT
I'm not putting all the blame on him just saying he's been part of the problem as an ineffective opposition party and now he's got the big job he needs to sort it out. And hopefully all parties can work together instead of making it worse sniping at each other.. Im not disagreeing btw but we had a strong labour leader. It was Jezza. Yes he's more left wing than most would like but he's the exact challenge to the opposition that you're describing. Now we have a watered down Tony Blair. I would not describe Starmer as a watered down Blair. Starmer is probably very clever as proven by his academic and work careers. But he has zero charisma like Brown and is more akin to your school swat. Blair had charisma in bucket loads. When he walked in the room all eyes were glued to him, which I experienced a number of times including before he became PM. I managed a works in his constituency, visited his home, and had meetings with his agent. He almost had a "fan club" with "groupies" who turned up wherever he went in the constituency. I don't know how clever Blair was but he had that ability to charm anyone. Blair was corrupted by ambition which led to him agreeing anything with Bush or the EU if he thought it would advance his world standing. He opened the floodgates to East European cheap labour, and wanted to join the Euro but Brown dug his heels in and refused to agree. He clearly had ambition to head the EU, but his and Brown's failure to curb personal borrowing and bank/society lending resulted in the 2008 financial crash impacting the UK far worse than any other country and in a way we are still paying for that error of judgement.
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Post by gawa on Aug 4, 2024 13:53:27 GMT
I'm no Starmer fan but these riots are an accumulation of the last 14-20 years, to try and solely blame him as the cause for this is wrong. Many other politicians have been stoking these fires for years.
With that said his response and the response of his colleagues has been nothing short of appalling and that criticism is fair.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 4, 2024 13:54:22 GMT
Im not disagreeing btw but we had a strong labour leader. It was Jezza. Yes he's more left wing than most would like but he's the exact challenge to the opposition that you're describing. Now we have a watered down Tony Blair. You are correct. You can't imagine Jezza would say he preferred the Davos way like two tier did. Maybe that's why he was driven out. Maybe he had some ideas that some would refer to as a bit wacky but he was certainly genuine. Starmer Cooper and others are complete frauds who believed that they could simply do as they pleased and have now come unstuck. Governments have become comfortable with a passive, resigned electorate for a long time. This country is now heading into a France-type atmosphere.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 4, 2024 13:55:47 GMT
Im not disagreeing btw but we had a strong labour leader. It was Jezza. Yes he's more left wing than most would like but he's the exact challenge to the opposition that you're describing. Now we have a watered down Tony Blair. I would not describe Starmer as a watered down Blair. Starmer is probably very clever as proven by his academic and work careers. But he has zero charisma like Brown and is more akin to your school swat. Blair had charisma in bucket loads. When he walked in the room all eyes were glued to him, which I experienced a number of times including before he became PM. I managed a works in his constituency, visited his home, and had meetings with his agent. He almost had a "fan club" with "groupies" who turned up wherever he went in the constituency. I don't know how clever Blair was but he had that ability to charm anyone. Blair was corrupted by ambition which led to him agreeing anything with Bush or the EU if he thought it would advance his world standing. He opened the floodgates to East European cheap labour, and wanted to join the Euro but Brown dug his heels in and refused to agree. He clearly had ambition to head the EU, but his and Brown's failure to curb personal borrowing and bank/society lending resulted in the 2008 financial crash impacting the UK far worse than any other country and in a way we are still paying for that error of judgement. Although I agree, I was talking about their policies rather than personality.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 14:32:39 GMT
I'm no Starmer fan but these riots are an accumulation of the last 14-20 years, to try and solely blame him as the cause for this is wrong. Many other politicians have been stoking these fires for years. With that said his response and the response of his colleagues has been nothing short of appalling and that criticism is fair. You are correct. Blair lit the fuse back around 2000 with his " rub their faces in it " statement. It's simply been burning away for 20 odd years and has now reached the detonator. Starmers continual contradictions and his almost addiction to finding a bogeyman is nothing but an admission that he has no clue how to sort this out. Sometimes it takes something unpopular to solve a problem but he's now scratching away at finding something that won't upset his preferred group of voters. His party now relies on various groups to vote for it and you can't please everyone. He's going to seriously piss off some parts of his voter base whichever direction he goes in. He could end up being the architect of the destruction of his own party. He's now alienated around 30 million of his own voters and he's only been there around 4 weeks or so.
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Post by gawa on Aug 4, 2024 16:13:08 GMT
Was a decent speech until the question about if everyone is far right. His answer will draw criticism and antagonise some. Aside from that it was better than I expected.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 4, 2024 16:27:37 GMT
He's really not to blame. I'm not saying he's handling it well but you're deluded if you think this is on him. He's been a member of an extraordinary ineffective opposition that should have held the ineffective govt to far more account... Why is it not the current opposition’s fault then?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 4, 2024 16:29:05 GMT
Good speech, calling it out for what it is.
These single-celled racist amoebas do not represent the vast majority of British people.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 4, 2024 16:31:34 GMT
Was a decent speech until the question about if everyone is far right. His answer will draw criticism and antagonise some. Aside from that it was better than I expected. Of course the rioters who are attacking people, emergency workers and businesses should feel the weight of the law. No mention of the Muslim gangs marauding round towns with swords, machetes and bats kicking people in the head when on the floor though Mr Starmer? If you are calling out the 'far right's' disgusting behaviour then equally call out the disgusting behaviour from the other side. It's this type of turning a blind eye to one side that is making so many people angry and rightfully so.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 4, 2024 16:32:03 GMT
Good speech, calling it out for what it is. These single-celled racist amoebas do not represent the vast majority of British people. It was a terrible speech that will add more fuel to the fire.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 4, 2024 16:35:19 GMT
Good speech, calling it out for what it is. These single-celled racist amoebas do not represent the vast majority of British people. I would say you are wrong. Just because the majority don't go out causing trouble doesn't mean they don't think the same thing.
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