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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 14, 2024 15:55:52 GMT
"He's my mate so he's ok" Ed Balls seems to be downplaying "antisemitism" here, he should have his Labour membership suspended immediately........ You're enjoying Starmers discomfort way too much Balls contention that Jones is not a Corbynite, Hard Left, Anti Israel nor an Antisemite by definition means he thinks Corbyn and anyone that supports him as being all those things. Quite the claim. The Torys had an issue with their connections and Donations from Friends of Russia They were able to skillfully bury and manage it courtesy of a compliant Press Labour has strong links and receives Donations from Friends of Israel. There's no such thing as a Free Lunch www.declassifieduk.org/two-fifths-of-keir-starmers-cabinet-have-been-funded-by-pro-israel-lobbyists/It is scandalous that British Political Parties receive Donations from Opaque Foreign semi-Government Lobby Groups that at least give the impression of influence in decision making. Why else would someone make a Donation to a Political Party He's reaping what he helped sow, let's see how he handles the pressure I guess......
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 14, 2024 22:23:16 GMT
Do you know what, I don't actually understand why Azhar Ali's comments are regarded as being antisemitic. There have been numerous US politicians (some very highly placed) who have suggested that 9/11 was an inside job. What's the difference between the two, nobody has accused them of being anti-Christian? I don't think he said much wrong at all. It largely comes down to whether you think its more likely that a rag-tag group of blokes on handgliders and pickup trucks penetrated one of the most guarded borders in the world or that perhaps Netanyahu decided to use it to his advantage. Its certainly feasible if nothing else. Going against what the Israeli government says doesnt make it anti-semetic.
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Post by knype on Feb 15, 2024 4:46:15 GMT
It is possible to condemn a government that is committing genocide, without supporting a barbaric terrorist organisation. Knype doesn’t do nuance, just 4 word sound bites…… And you guys will always support the terrorist scum over the general population.
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Post by gawa on Feb 15, 2024 20:37:53 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2024 8:47:09 GMT
Wellingborough:
LAB: 45.9% (+19.5) 13,844 (+107) CON: 24.6% (-37.6) 7,408 (-24,869) REF: 13.0% (+13.0) 3,919 (+3,919) LDEM: 4.7% (-3.1) 1,422 (-2,656) GRN: 3.4% (-0.1) 1,020 (-801)
Kingswood:
LAB: 44.9% (+11.5) 11,176 (-5,316) CON: 34.9% (-21.3) 8,675 (-19,037) REF: 10.4% (+10.4) 2,758 (+2,758) GRN: 5.8% (+3.4) 1,459 (+259) LDEM: 3.5% (-3.5) 861 (-2,560) UKIP: 0.5% (+0.5) 129 (+129)
Conservative votes dropping like a stone. Tories aren't voting Labour they're just not turning up. Lib Dems may as well call it a day. Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood and could be a danger to so-called Tory "safe seats" by splitting the vote.
To conclude, the Tories are toast.......
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Post by knype on Feb 16, 2024 8:48:13 GMT
Wellingborough:
LAB: 45.9% (+19.5) 13,844 (+107) CON: 24.6% (-37.6) 7,408 (-24,869) REF: 13.0% (+13.0) 3,919 (+3,919) LDEM: 4.7% (-3.1) 1,422 (-2,656) GRN: 3.4% (-0.1) 1,020 (-801) Kingswood:
LAB: 44.9% (+11.5) 11,176 (-5,316) CON: 34.9% (-21.3) 8,675 (-19,037) REF: 10.4% (+10.4) 2,758 (+2,758) GRN: 5.8% (+3.4) 1,459 (+259) LDEM: 3.5% (-3.5) 861 (-2,560) UKIP: 0.5% (+0.5) 129 (+129) Conservative votes dropping like a stone. Tories aren't voting Labour they're just not turning up. Lib Dems may as well call it a day. Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood and could be a danger to so-called Tory "safe seats" by splitting the vote. To conclude, the Tories are toast....... But surely by-elections are just protest votes and therefore just a gimmick?
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Post by elystokie on Feb 16, 2024 9:02:41 GMT
Wellingborough:
LAB: 45.9% (+19.5) 13,844 (+107) CON: 24.6% (-37.6) 7,408 (-24,869) REF: 13.0% (+13.0) 3,919 (+3,919) LDEM: 4.7% (-3.1) 1,422 (-2,656) GRN: 3.4% (-0.1) 1,020 (-801) Kingswood:
LAB: 44.9% (+11.5) 11,176 (-5,316) CON: 34.9% (-21.3) 8,675 (-19,037) REF: 10.4% (+10.4) 2,758 (+2,758) GRN: 5.8% (+3.4) 1,459 (+259) LDEM: 3.5% (-3.5) 861 (-2,560) UKIP: 0.5% (+0.5) 129 (+129) Conservative votes dropping like a stone. Tories aren't voting Labour they're just not turning up. Lib Dems may as well call it a day. Reform votes stopped Tories retaining Kingswood and could be a danger to so-called Tory "safe seats" by splitting the vote. To conclude, the Tories are toast....... But surely by-elections are just protest votes and therefore just a gimmick? 😂 So because one or two might be depending on political conditions they all are? 😂
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Post by knype on Feb 16, 2024 9:11:35 GMT
But surely by-elections are just protest votes and therefore just a gimmick? 😂 So because one or two might be depending on political conditions they all are? 😂 By-elections results are rarely a good indicator for the GE, surely you agree with that?
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Post by elystokie on Feb 16, 2024 9:16:53 GMT
😂 So because one or two might be depending on political conditions they all are? 😂 By-elections results are rarely a good indicator for the GE, surely you agree with that? I do, but one when it's one after another consistently it would surely indicate a trend to most people?
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 16, 2024 9:20:10 GMT
Labour will win power easily at the general election - the problem is that Starmer isn't planning to do anything with it so when the electorate realise bugger all has changed, they'll turn to a likely populist leader/movement in 2029.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 17, 2024 11:39:02 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 11:50:24 GMT
😂 So because one or two might be depending on political conditions they all are? 😂 By-elections results are rarely a good indicator for the GE, surely you agree with that? By-elections between 1992 and 1997 were a fairly good indicator of what was to come in terms of the drop of support for the tories. I think we are seeing similar now.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 17, 2024 11:51:35 GMT
Labour will win power easily at the general election - the problem is that Starmer isn't planning to do anything with it so when the electorate realise bugger all has changed, they'll turn to a likely populist leader/movement in 2029. I think waiting for the manifesto is a better judge of his plans. Without plans, he is obliterating his opponent.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 18, 2024 18:05:45 GMT
Now changed his mind on an Israeli Hammas ceasefire... Any way the wind blows with this cunt.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2024 18:17:03 GMT
Now changed his mind on an Israeli Hammas ceasefire... Any way the wind blows with this cunt. You were presumably equally scathing when the Liar King was PM and flip-flopping every 5 minutes? 🤔
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 18, 2024 18:46:10 GMT
By-elections results are rarely a good indicator for the GE, surely you agree with that? By-elections between 1992 and 1997 were a fairly good indicator of what was to come in terms of the drop of support for the tories. I think we are seeing similar now. For once we are in agreement oggy! The Tories are extremely unpopular for a host of reasons, all Starmer has to do is keep his mouth shut and avoid saying anything that will lose votes and he is home and dry. Blair was popular because of his personal charisma* and Tory sleaze. The economy was doing quite well in the 90s although not as well as the 80s, so Blair had to be sure not to scare support away with rash promises, or seen to be pandering to the left of the party. * Charisma is where Starmer is sadly lacking. I used to manage a works in Blair's constituency and visited his home in Trimdon Colliery. I attended a number of functions where he was present and he was one of those people who, when they walked in the room, it was like a light went on. I was a one function in Aycliffe where he was literally mobbed by his "fans". You may find this interesting: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/05/it-was-electrifying-the-inside-story-of-labours-1997-election-landslide
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 18, 2024 18:48:45 GMT
Now changed his mind on an Israeli Hammas ceasefire... Any way the wind blows with this cunt. You were presumably equally scathing when the Liar King was PM and flip-flopping every 5 minutes? 🤔 Even more so. Set the Tories back decades. Obviously Wishy Washy will win, by some landslide, but once people see through his rhetoric of blaming The Tories for everything, but not actually coming up with any solutions he will be confined to tha annals of history.. Can see Labour in power for 2 or 3 terms at least, but wishy washy 1 at the most. Step up Andy Burnham.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2024 18:53:43 GMT
You were presumably equally scathing when the Liar King was PM and flip-flopping every 5 minutes? 🤔 Even more so. Set the Tories back decades. Obviously Wishy Washy will win, by some landslide, but once people see through his rhetoric of blaming The Tories for everything, but not actually coming up with any solutions he will be confined to tha annals of history.. Can see Labour in power for 2 or 3 terms at least, but wishy washy 1 at the most. Step up Andy Burnham. Got to be honest, didn't see it on here 😉 I don't think Labour will last that long, I reckon a house price crash will do for them, hope I'm wrong because I think another term of the thieving corrupt lot we've had in lately would just about finish us.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Feb 18, 2024 19:00:07 GMT
Even more so. Set the Tories back decades. Obviously Wishy Washy will win, by some landslide, but once people see through his rhetoric of blaming The Tories for everything, but not actually coming up with any solutions he will be confined to tha annals of history.. Can see Labour in power for 2 or 3 terms at least, but wishy washy 1 at the most. Step up Andy Burnham. Got to be honest, didn't see it on here 😉 I don't think Labour will last that long, I reckon a house price crash will do for them, hope I'm wrong because I think another term of the thieving corrupt lot we've had in lately would just about finish us. Been 50 years since the last 1 term government .KGB spy Wilson/Callaghan...
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Post by elystokie on Feb 18, 2024 19:26:39 GMT
Got to be honest, didn't see it on here 😉 I don't think Labour will last that long, I reckon a house price crash will do for them, hope I'm wrong because I think another term of the thieving corrupt lot we've had in lately would just about finish us. Been 50 years since the last 1 term government .KGB spy Wilson/Callaghan... I don't think it'll be their fault TBF, they'll have inherited an incredible mess left by 13 years of ineptitude and corruption, I'm not sure it's fixable no matter who has a go at it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 18, 2024 19:57:56 GMT
By-elections between 1992 and 1997 were a fairly good indicator of what was to come in terms of the drop of support for the tories. I think we are seeing similar now. For once we are in agreement oggy! The Tories are extremely unpopular for a host of reasons, all Starmer has to do is keep his mouth shut and avoid saying anything that will lose votes and he is home and dry. Blair was popular because of his personal charisma* and Tory sleaze. The economy was doing quite well in the 90s although not as well as the 80s, so Blair had to be sure not to scare support away with rash promises, or seen to be pandering to the left of the party. * Charisma is where Starmer is sadly lacking. I used to manage a works in Blair's constituency and visited his home in Trimdon Colliery. I attended a number of functions where he was present and he was one of those people who, when they walked in the room, it was like a light went on. I was a one function in Aycliffe where he was literally mobbed by his "fans". You may find this interesting: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/05/it-was-electrifying-the-inside-story-of-labours-1997-election-landslideI actually think if we avoid the subject of brexit, we may agree on a fair few things. My wife’s colleagues who were around in the Blair years all say the same thing. The PM’s with the least personality and charisma run the government the best. So Major, May and Brown over Blair, Johnson and Cameron. Starmer’s lack of charisma and personality could be good for public administration. Not so good for interviews or elections or speeches.
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 18, 2024 21:31:08 GMT
For once we are in agreement oggy! The Tories are extremely unpopular for a host of reasons, all Starmer has to do is keep his mouth shut and avoid saying anything that will lose votes and he is home and dry. Blair was popular because of his personal charisma* and Tory sleaze. The economy was doing quite well in the 90s although not as well as the 80s, so Blair had to be sure not to scare support away with rash promises, or seen to be pandering to the left of the party. * Charisma is where Starmer is sadly lacking. I used to manage a works in Blair's constituency and visited his home in Trimdon Colliery. I attended a number of functions where he was present and he was one of those people who, when they walked in the room, it was like a light went on. I was a one function in Aycliffe where he was literally mobbed by his "fans". You may find this interesting: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/05/it-was-electrifying-the-inside-story-of-labours-1997-election-landslideI actually think if we avoid the subject of brexit, we may agree on a fair few things. My wife’s colleagues who were around in the Blair years all say the same thing. The PM’s with the least personality and charisma run the government the best. So Major, May and Brown over Blair, Johnson and Cameron. Starmer’s lack of charisma and personality could be good for public administration. Not so good for interviews or elections or speeches. I have no doubt he'll run a competent government - I just don't think he has any idea how to move the country forward really so it'll be a well managed decline.
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 18, 2024 22:18:56 GMT
I actually think if we avoid the subject of brexit, we may agree on a fair few things. My wife’s colleagues who were around in the Blair years all say the same thing. The PM’s with the least personality and charisma run the government the best. So Major, May and Brown over Blair, Johnson and Cameron. Starmer’s lack of charisma and personality could be good for public administration. Not so good for interviews or elections or speeches. I have no doubt he'll run a competent government - I just don't think he has any idea how to move the country forward really so it'll be a well managed decline. A vast improvement on what we have now then!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 19, 2024 6:59:32 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Feb 19, 2024 11:21:09 GMT
Wellingborough a small English Town about an hour from London with the High Street in decay, drug abuse, removal of Youth Services and knife crime on the rise a snapshot of many Towns up and down the Country Nationally, not even yet, been able to recover from the 2008 Global Financial Crash, the Tory's were seen as more fiscally competent in 2010 to lift UK out of the crisis. What followed was 5 years of Austerity and cuts to Public Services including slashing of Council (Northamptonshire) Budgets By 2016 many people exhausted were prepared to embrace any new idea, Brexit, that promised to arrest the spiral of decay, By 2019 even re-mainers were tired of the wrangling and Voted in a Landslide for Bozo to get it done. Fate and Covid took a hand and exacerbated the already stretched Public and Local Services. Meanwhile in 2018 the Conservative Northampton CC, which included Wellingborough had spectacularly gone bankrupt with over a £1Bn in Debt. Since Austerity had been imposed Northampton had followed the Eric Pickles formula though it's Budget had been cut by 50% since 2010 it hadn't increased Local Taxes. The result was that local services especially in Childcare was almost non existent and at a dangerous safeguarding level and Potholes The Labour Activists' comment is indeed very telling Ian, but do we need another Populist who promises much but delivers little Or do we need a slow plodder who will make calculated rational decisions based on the hand he has been dealt? The Majority who vote will opt this time for the latter, many will abstain and I think you have said you will. Structurally there is much to be fixed in UK, do I think Starmer is the man to do that, No. Is he the man to address the Basics that provides a platform until a more visionary emerges, perhaps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2024 13:09:36 GMT
Wellingborough a small English Town about an hour from London with the High Street in decay, drug abuse, removal of Youth Services and knife crime on the rise a snapshot of many Towns up and down the Country Nationally, not even yet, been able to recover from the 2008 Global Financial Crash, the Tory's were seen as more fiscally competent in 2010 to lift UK out of the crisis. What followed was 5 years of Austerity and cuts to Public Services including slashing of Council (Northamptonshire) Budgets By 2016 many people exhausted were prepared to embrace any new idea, Brexit, that promised to arrest the spiral of decay, By 2019 even re-mainers were tired of the wrangling and Voted in a Landslide for Bozo to get it done. Fate and Covid took a hand and exacerbated the already stretched Public and Local Services. Meanwhile in 2018 the Conservative Northampton CC, which included Wellingborough had spectacularly gone bankrupt with over a £1Bn in Debt. Since Austerity had been imposed Northampton had followed the Eric Pickles formula though it's Budget had been cut by 50% since 2010 it hadn't increased Local Taxes. The result was that local services especially in Childcare was almost non existent and at a dangerous safeguarding level and Potholes The Labour Activists' comment is indeed very telling Ian, but do we need another Populist who promises much but delivers little Or do we need a slow plodder who will make calculated rational decisions based on the hand he has been dealt? The Majority who vote will opt this time for the latter, many will abstain and I think you have said you will. Structurally there is much to be fixed in UK, do I think Starmer is the man to do that, No. Is he the man to address the Basics that provides a platform until a more visionary emerges, perhaps. If you think that culture wars are bad now, wait until there is a left or right populist party pushing for mainstream in the UK. The us vs them mantra is so bad for a country. Populism in Hungary has led to gerrymandering so Orban could get his 2/3rd majority and alter their constitution. In India, Modhi has used it to remove the cap for business donations to campaigns and allowed them to be “anonymous” (I’m sure they stay that way 😅). Left-wing populism has destroyed countries like Venezuela and Argentina. Right wing populism similarly leads to cronyism, which reduces investment opportunity despite removing the brakes from the cart. The vast majority of populist countries typically get a quick upturn followed by a volatile economy. Populists offer massive giveaways which invariably just ramps up debt-to-GDP.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 19, 2024 13:54:26 GMT
Wellingborough a small English Town about an hour from London with the High Street in decay, drug abuse, removal of Youth Services and knife crime on the rise a snapshot of many Towns up and down the Country Nationally, not even yet, been able to recover from the 2008 Global Financial Crash, the Tory's were seen as more fiscally competent in 2010 to lift UK out of the crisis. What followed was 5 years of Austerity and cuts to Public Services including slashing of Council (Northamptonshire) Budgets By 2016 many people exhausted were prepared to embrace any new idea, Brexit, that promised to arrest the spiral of decay, By 2019 even re-mainers were tired of the wrangling and Voted in a Landslide for Bozo to get it done. Fate and Covid took a hand and exacerbated the already stretched Public and Local Services. Meanwhile in 2018 the Conservative Northampton CC, which included Wellingborough had spectacularly gone bankrupt with over a £1Bn in Debt. Since Austerity had been imposed Northampton had followed the Eric Pickles formula though it's Budget had been cut by 50% since 2010 it hadn't increased Local Taxes. The result was that local services especially in Childcare was almost non existent and at a dangerous safeguarding level and Potholes The Labour Activists' comment is indeed very telling Ian, but do we need another Populist who promises much but delivers little Or do we need a slow plodder who will make calculated rational decisions based on the hand he has been dealt? The Majority who vote will opt this time for the latter, many will abstain and I think you have said you will. Structurally there is much to be fixed in UK, do I think Starmer is the man to do that, No. Is he the man to address the Basics that provides a platform until a more visionary emerges, perhaps. If you think that culture wars are bad now, wait until there is a left or right populist party pushing for mainstream in the UK. The us vs them mantra is so bad for a country. Populism in Hungary has led to gerrymandering so Orban could get his 2/3rd majority and alter their constitution. In India, Modhi has used it to remove the cap for business donations to campaigns and allowed them to be “anonymous” (I’m sure they stay that way 😅). Left-wing populism has destroyed countries like Venezuela and Argentina. Right wing populism similarly leads to cronyism, which reduces investment opportunity despite removing the brakes from the cart. The vast majority of populist countries typically get a quick upturn followed by a volatile economy. Populists offer massive giveaways which invariably just ramps up debt-to-GDP. I made a post on some thread recently saying very similar that the vast majority of the World's Population is inexorably moving towards being Governed by Pseudo or Actual Dictators and namechecked the usual suspects I felt the only saving grace was they were all well into there 70s I didn't envisage above a Visionary to be a Populist in the sense you describe, but your right it could happen and more likely if Starmer fails utterly Whether Left or Right Wing Governments who enact Laws to curb freedoms when an antithesis Government takes over they very rarely repeal what's gone before. Its why I despair at some of the anti democratic actions of the current Administration. Since inception Singapore has been ruled by what is referred to as a "Benign Dictatorship" Since the early 80s I must have visited close to 100 times but after 3 days I'm eager to leave. My friends there are willing to accept a curb on their freedoms in return for an affluent lifestyle. Most Dictatorships are both Incompetent and Corrupt which eventually leads to Civil Unrest
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 19, 2024 14:13:47 GMT
Wellingborough a small English Town about an hour from London with the High Street in decay, drug abuse, removal of Youth Services and knife crime on the rise a snapshot of many Towns up and down the Country Nationally, not even yet, been able to recover from the 2008 Global Financial Crash, the Tory's were seen as more fiscally competent in 2010 to lift UK out of the crisis. What followed was 5 years of Austerity and cuts to Public Services including slashing of Council (Northamptonshire) Budgets By 2016 many people exhausted were prepared to embrace any new idea, Brexit, that promised to arrest the spiral of decay, By 2019 even re-mainers were tired of the wrangling and Voted in a Landslide for Bozo to get it done. Fate and Covid took a hand and exacerbated the already stretched Public and Local Services. Meanwhile in 2018 the Conservative Northampton CC, which included Wellingborough had spectacularly gone bankrupt with over a £1Bn in Debt. Since Austerity had been imposed Northampton had followed the Eric Pickles formula though it's Budget had been cut by 50% since 2010 it hadn't increased Local Taxes. The result was that local services especially in Childcare was almost non existent and at a dangerous safeguarding level and Potholes The Labour Activists' comment is indeed very telling Ian, but do we need another Populist who promises much but delivers little Or do we need a slow plodder who will make calculated rational decisions based on the hand he has been dealt? The Majority who vote will opt this time for the latter, many will abstain and I think you have said you will. Structurally there is much to be fixed in UK, do I think Starmer is the man to do that, No. Is he the man to address the Basics that provides a platform until a more visionary emerges, perhaps. It was more the fact that the staffer said the voters dislike was for every political party, it wasn't simply a bash the Tories story.
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Post by wannabee on Feb 19, 2024 14:18:58 GMT
It was more the fact that the staffer said the voters dislike was for every political party, it wasn't simply a bash the Tories story. I agree entirely and apologise if I implied otherwise It's a "Plague on both your Houses" which will make many abstain
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 20, 2024 23:38:16 GMT
I tell you what's actually sinister, is a Labour MP standing up in the HOC and spewing this utter bullshit. Shame on Wakeford and shame on Starmer for allowing it! 😠
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