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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 21, 2024 10:32:58 GMT
What she is saying, literally makes no sense. I can't vote for politicians who attempt to blatantly gaslight so brazenly. If she can bullshit so easily on this, what will be next?
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Post by wannabee on Feb 21, 2024 11:21:27 GMT
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Post by gawa on Feb 21, 2024 16:20:56 GMT
Absolute farce what has happened in the commons today on "opposition day". Shame on Labour and Hoyle
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 21, 2024 16:35:55 GMT
Absolute farce what has happened in the commons today on "opposition day". Shame on Labour and Hoyle
If this is true (and Watt is about as thorough with his sources as it comes), then democracy in this country is dead.
Starmer's gangsters blackmailing the Speaker, is as bad as any of the recent stunts we've seen pulled by the Tories.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 21, 2024 16:56:28 GMT
Christ alive, what an utter shitshow! 🤦♂️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 21, 2024 17:04:30 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 21, 2024 17:22:17 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment.
Fucking charlatans the lot of them.
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Post by gawa on Feb 21, 2024 18:14:41 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment. Fucking charlatans the lot of them. "They're mostly the same" I can be swayed to agree with ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/3zptH1h3SvRnVmRGLyMP.gif) There are still a few good'uns out there but the most vocal tend to be the worst (Bar Jezza C)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 21, 2024 19:25:19 GMT
Absolutely extraordinary events unfolding in the HOC at the moment, I've never seen anything like it before.
Thoroughly unedifying scenes as Labour pressurized the Speaker into not acting impartially.
I rather suspect that Hoyle is a goner now but that won't be of any comfort to the people of Gaza.
British politics is broken tonight.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 21, 2024 19:31:45 GMT
Absolutely extraordinary events unfolding in the HOC at the moment, I've never seen anything like it before.
Thoroughly unedifying scenes as Labour pressurized the Speaker into not acting impartially.
I rather suspect that Hoyle is a goner now but that won't be of any comfort to the people of Gaza.
British politics is broken tonight.
Agreed Paul Party politics at its worst...no integrity or truth. A million miles away from what most " ordinary people " know to be right. Imo
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Post by elystokie on Feb 21, 2024 19:57:14 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment. Fucking charlatans the lot of them. I've had dealings with local MPs from both parties, my experience couldn't have been more different, it was evident one gave at least something of a shit. I lived with the daughter of a Labour MP, who became the Labour Chief Whip and then a Lord, we didn't exactly see eye to eye on the odd occasions we met but there's no arguing he worked his arse off for his constituents, they had a reasonable bungalow in Jarrow and he rented a 2 bedroom house in Elephant and Castle for work. There were no company directorships, no horse stables needing heating, no luxury yachts and no properties abroad. In my lifetime I've never known a government as mired in corruption as this one nor one as inept as they are. I suppose we'll see if and when Labour get in whether or not the rampant corruption continues, if it does I'll be more than happy to agree that 'they're all the same' 🙂
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Post by noustie on Feb 21, 2024 20:51:15 GMT
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Post by knype on Feb 22, 2024 4:50:49 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment. Fucking charlatans the lot of them. Absolutely spot on. Not one good trustworthy one between them all!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 22, 2024 6:45:49 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2024 7:18:54 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment. Fucking charlatans the lot of them. We had the chance to elect a PM of principle and humanity in 2017 and 2019. Sadly, people fell for the lies and the hate put across by the MSM. I'm not sure we'll ever get the opportunity again.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2024 7:20:04 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment. Fucking charlatans the lot of them. Absolutely spot on. Not one good trustworthy one between them all! Wrong again.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 22, 2024 7:25:54 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment. Fucking charlatans the lot of them. We had the chance to elect a PM of principle and humanity in 2017 and 2019. Sadly, people fell for the lies and the hate put across by the MSM. I'm not sure we'll ever get the opportunity again. Paul , A very significant amount of his traditional vote could not vote for him because of his ( party's) change of mind on Brexit ...an important principle .... whether you think his stance or his party's stance( whatever it actually was) was right or wrong. In my opinion.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2024 7:30:15 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2024 7:31:48 GMT
We had the chance to elect a PM of principle and humanity in 2017 and 2019. Sadly, people fell for the lies and the hate put across by the MSM. I'm not sure we'll ever get the opportunity again. Paul , A very significant amount of his traditional vote could not vote for him because of his ( party's) change of mind on Brexit ...an important principle .... whether you think his stance or his party's stance( whatever it actually was right or wrong. In my opinion. He had a solution John....brexit with acess to the SM and CU. It would have worked. Starmer and his Goons sabotaged it with this "Peope's Vote" crap.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 22, 2024 7:47:08 GMT
Paul , A very significant amount of his traditional vote could not vote for him because of his ( party's) change of mind on Brexit ...an important principle .... whether you think his stance or his party's stance( whatever it actually was right or wrong. In my opinion. He had a solution John....brexit with acess to the SM and CU. It would have worked. Starmer and his Goons sabotaged it with this "Peope's Vote" crap. That may be true.....but he was the Party leader....so , at the end of the day, it was also his policy....or more importantly his party's policy. Unfortunately I think it was a good example of ....when someone who is on the sidelines , enjoying the privilege of being able to criticise , even his own party( Hasn't Corbyn got the record of the most rebellions against his own party), they become a folk hero of the " Morally superior "....but when he actually gets power( as leader of the opposition) he has to compromise. There's no telling what compromises he would have had to make if he had become PM. I and perhaps many others could have and probably would have voted for him IF he had spoken with compassion and conviction , as he had done consistently for decades, about Brexit.I don't think it is a coincidence that the timing of his ( allegedly) change of mind on Brexit csme when he becsme leader. A matter of principle, not circumstance. Instead we let in( eventually) the opportunist Boris. To be clear I'm not in any way defending Starmer, last night also confirmined much about Labour but the biggest issue is Psrty politics and the system Without reform nothing will change
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 22, 2024 8:07:37 GMT
Paul , A very significant amount of his traditional vote could not vote for him because of his ( party's) change of mind on Brexit ...an important principle .... whether you think his stance or his party's stance( whatever it actually was right or wrong. In my opinion. He had a solution John....brexit with acess to the SM and CU. It would have worked. Starmer and his Goons sabotaged it with this "Peope's Vote" crap. I think it is worth listening to Caroline, Paul
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2024 8:08:57 GMT
He had a solution John....brexit with acess to the SM and CU. It would have worked. Starmer and his Goons sabotaged it with this "Peope's Vote" crap. I think it is worth listening to Caroline, Paul One of the saboteurs? No thanks mate.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 22, 2024 8:11:39 GMT
I think it is worth listening to Caroline, Paul One of the saboteurs? No thanks mate. I think that's part of the problem then Paul.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2024 8:35:03 GMT
One of the saboteurs? No thanks mate. I think that's part of the problem then Paul. Indeed it was...part of the huge plot to get rid of a decent and honourable man. No point raking it up again though.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 22, 2024 8:49:13 GMT
I think that's part of the problem then Paul. Indeed it was...part of the huge plot to get rid of a decent and honourable man. No point raking it up again though. I don't think so Paul. She simply tells what she found to be true by listening to her constituents in the Dom Valley. She makes some good insights....the Left should start listening instead of judging and preaching. IMO
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Post by phileetin on Feb 22, 2024 9:12:29 GMT
reminds me a bit of the dr david kelly issue in that someone who appears to be a decent and innocent person ( lindsay hoyle ) has fallen victim to labour political shenanigans just to preserve/appease their muslim supporters.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 22, 2024 9:19:31 GMT
Absolute farce what has happened in the commons today on "opposition day". Shame on Labour and Hoyle If this is true (and Watt is about as thorough with his sources as it comes), then democracy in this country is dead. Starmer's gangsters blackmailing the Speaker, is as bad as any of the recent stunts we've seen pulled by the Tories. Agree 100%. I've been concerned about Starmer's lack of commitment to democracy for some time - he's refused to adopt the democratic decision of his own party to support PR and backtracked on his own party's recommendation to introduce an elected second chamber. He's reported to want to win at all costs and has surrounded himself with a clique with the single aim of putting himself in power. What happened in Parliament yesterday was a disgrace and if representative of how a Starmer government would behave if actually in power a wake up call for anyone concerned about how a civilised democratic country should conduct it's business. It also showed up the inherent weakness of our unwritten constitution. It relies entirely on a "gentleman's" agreement to abide by convention. When you have people in charge who's primary aim is pure self interest with no real commitment to democracy it falls apart. In terms of our democratic practices a Labour majority at after the next election would a disaster. The sooner the two party system collapses the better.
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Post by knype on Feb 22, 2024 9:21:41 GMT
Absolutely spot on. Not one good trustworthy one between them all! Wrong again. Your opinion means jack ! It was showed yesterday!
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Post by knype on Feb 22, 2024 9:22:44 GMT
I've said on here before now stuff along the lines of 'politicians, they're all the same' and been told by the bleeding hearts that they're not, and there's some good ones out there but none of them are doing anything to change my way of thinking at the moment. Fucking charlatans the lot of them. We had the chance to elect a PM of principle and humanity in 2017 and 2019. Sadly, people fell for the lies and the hate put across by the MSM. I'm not sure we'll ever get the opportunity again. He was a complete socialist nutjob!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 22, 2024 9:49:54 GMT
Your opinion means jack ! It was showed yesterday! What on earth are you banging on about now?
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