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Post by Little Gary Patel on Apr 11, 2020 21:48:02 GMT
It's quite a nice watch/listen its nice to see the natural non-sanitised interaction about the past
I dont really agree with much of the manager order
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 11, 2020 21:59:35 GMT
It's quite a nice watch/listen its nice to see the natural non-sanitised interaction about the past I dont really agree with much of the manager order No argument about the number one though is there? Hate him or detest him, the clear best of the best.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2020 22:04:36 GMT
Just put this on.
Wright made Wenger sound well dodgy. 😂
I like it though, seems a good laugh.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Apr 11, 2020 22:04:50 GMT
It's quite a nice watch/listen its nice to see the natural non-sanitised interaction about the past I dont really agree with much of the manager order No argument about the number one though is there? Hate him or detest him, the clear best of the best. Absolutely not. It can't be questioned. As an aside, listening to Ian Wright about Wenger, it sounds like (as we know already) was so far ahead of modern football with conditioning / diet / fitness , He clearly revolutionised the game in this country & his did not zee it routine was huge panto I did think that perhaps his tactical nous might not have been that good when the league caught up with him, or maybe that fit in with the funding at Arsenal?
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Post by sifta on Apr 12, 2020 0:48:05 GMT
So today I watched Lineker, Wright and Shearer do a podcast talking about the best premier league manager of all time. Not the best manager of all time, which you would think the whole country would be interested in, but the best PL manager of all time!!
I grew up thinking that the BBC was part of the foundations of the country I loved, and was fundamentally entwined with my national identity.
However the fact is that the BBC is in thrall to the Premier league. If it doesn't big up the PL it doesn't get the rights to show their matches.
So I made my peace with that, understanding the realaties of life is part of growing up. However!!
We are not in normal times! The BBC is supposed to be doing its best to pull Britain together in times of crisis, and still we have this craven sucking up to the PL on behalf of the BBC in case god forbid they upset them!!!
Today we had the discussion of the best PL manager between Lineker, Shearer, and Wright!! And they can only obviously talk about managers since 1992!
Thats fine, as I said to my 30 year old nephew. Imagine that in 20 years time we were discussing the best manager ever and you couldn't mention Wenger, Dalglish, Mourinho, or Fergusson!
Now I'm in my mid 50's and the BBC have cynically erased my greatest childhood memories, Clough, Kendall, Paisley couldn't be considered, and my brother couldn't consider Shankley, or Busby either!!
My dad is older, and managers like Champman, Nicholson etc come into play
The fact is however is that the BBC is run by 30 somethings who don't give a toss, and as far as they are concerned the sooner inconvenient old people do one the better
Sifta Shepherds Bush ex BBC
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Post by sifta on Apr 12, 2020 0:53:18 GMT
So today I watched Lineker, Wright and Shearer do a podcast talking about the best premier league manager of all time. Not the best manager of all time, which you would think the whole country would be interested in, but the best PL manager of all time!!
I grew up thinking that the BBC was part of the foundations of the country I loved, and was fundamentally entwined with my national identity.
However the fact is that the BBC is in thrall to the Premier league. If it doesn't big up the PL it doesn't get the rights to show their matches.
So I made my peace with that, understanding the realaties of life is part of growing up. However!!
We are not in normal times! The BBC is supposed to be doing its best to pull Britain together in times of crisis, and still we have this craven sucking up to the PL on behalf of the BBC in case god forbid they upset them!!!
Today we had the discussion of the best PL manager between Lineker, Shearer, and Wright!! And they can only obviously talk about managers since 1992!
Thats fine, as I said to my 30 year old nephew. Imagine that in 20 years time we were discussing the best manager ever and you couldn't mention Wenger, Dalglish, Mourinho, or Fergusson!
Now I'm in my mid 50's and the BBC have cynically erased my greatest childhood memories, Clough, Kendall, Paisley couldn't be considered, and my brother couldn't consider Shankley, or Busby either!!
My dad is older, and managers like Champman, Nicholson etc come into play
The fact is however is that the BBC is run by 30 somethings who don't give a toss, and as far as they are concerned the sooner inconvenient old people do one the better
Sifta Shepherds Bush ex BBC
Btw, My point to all of this is to get as many people as possible to tweet BBCMotd and tell them that their job is to represent all football fans in the country, not to represent the Premier League
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 4:46:13 GMT
It is a Premier League programme and to be honest I really don't think it matters who they think is the best ever. I really don't get these so called debates on who was the best player ever, best manager, was Pele better than Maradona, Messi better than Ronaldo. Because Ian Wright or Gary Lineker like one over another, does it really matter? No. For me is just basically filling air time until football comes back. Was Clough better than SAF, I don't know and really is irrelevant. Both great managers in their own right. What they say on BBC isn't gospel, just an opinion .
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Post by RAF on Apr 12, 2020 7:30:25 GMT
No argument about the number one though is there? Hate him or detest him, the clear best of the best. Absolutely not. It can't be questioned. As an aside, listening to Ian Wright about Wenger, it sounds like (as we know already) was so far ahead of modern football with conditioning / diet / fitness , He clearly revolutionised the game in this country & his did not zee it routine was huge panto I did think that perhaps his tactical nous might not have been that good when the league caught up with him, or maybe that fit in with the funding at Arsenal? Wengers problem for me was he never properly replaced the likes of Cole,Campbell,Toure and Keown et al. He's always had an eye for midfielders and Forwards in general but his defence after the above moved on or retired always seemed to struggle. H
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Post by sifta on Apr 12, 2020 7:49:36 GMT
It is a Premier League programme,
I think that's the issue, when I was growing up it was a football program for the nation showing football from all leagues, (But obviously biased to the First Division), Its paid for by the licence fee, but now it pretends that football started in 1992, My assumption is that it is part of the contract it has signed with the PL to get the rights it has, but I have no proof.
It annoys me that "My" BBC is actually become just a PR outlet for the PL, even in these times
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 12, 2020 7:54:57 GMT
So today I watched Lineker, Wright and Shearer do a podcast talking about the best premier league manager of all time. Not the best manager of all time, which you would think the whole country would be interested in, but the best PL manager of all time!!
I grew up thinking that the BBC was part of the foundations of the country I loved, and was fundamentally entwined with my national identity.
However the fact is that the BBC is in thrall to the Premier league. If it doesn't big up the PL it doesn't get the rights to show their matches. So I made my peace with that, understanding the realaties of life is part of growing up. However!! We are not in normal times! The BBC is supposed to be doing its best to pull Britain together in times of crisis, and still we have this craven sucking up to the PL on behalf of the BBC in case god forbid they upset them!!! Today we had the discussion of the best PL manager between Lineker, Shearer, and Wright!! And they can only obviously talk about managers since 1992!
Thats fine, as I said to my 30 year old nephew. Imagine that in 20 years time we were discussing the best manager ever and you couldn't mention Wenger, Dalglish, Mourinho, or Fergusson! Now I'm in my mid 50's and the BBC have cynically erased my greatest childhood memories, Clough, Kendall, Paisley couldn't be considered, and my brother couldn't consider Shankley, or Busby either!! My dad is older, and managers like Champman, Nicholson etc come into play
The fact is however is that the BBC is run by 30 somethings who don't give a toss, and as far as they are concerned the sooner inconvenient old people do one the better Sifta Shepherds Bush ex BBC The programme is about the Premier League. I have no interest in the Premier League presently, so did not watch and did therefore not get upset about more big club arse licking pandering to glory hunters. BM
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 8:25:54 GMT
It is a Premier League programme,
I think that's the issue, when I was growing up it was a football program for the nation showing football from all leagues, (But obviously biased to the First Division), Its paid for by the licence fee, but now it pretends that football started in 1992, My assumption is that it is part of the contract it has signed with the PL to get the rights it has, but I have no proof.
It annoys me that "My" BBC is actually become just a PR outlet for the PL, even in these times
To be fair the BBC is a PR outlet for the few sporting events it actually still holds the right to. They are pushing sporting events that are really of quite little interest without being too cruel and if you look at their sport website they are seen as worthy headlines simply because they broadcast them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2020 8:44:45 GMT
It was an amusing watch and then Match Of Their Day on after was great.
3 great games.
Being reminded of “shit I forgot he played for them” and seeing a Man Yoo side that from the front backward was Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes, Keane and then Darren Fletcher.
It was the game Keane and Vieira had their words in the tunnel before in. And John O’Shea scored a goal I forgot happened but would never expect him to score. Magical finish.
So yeah, I proper enjoyed it sorry.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 12, 2020 8:52:55 GMT
Absolutely not. It can't be questioned. As an aside, listening to Ian Wright about Wenger, it sounds like (as we know already) was so far ahead of modern football with conditioning / diet / fitness , He clearly revolutionised the game in this country & his did not zee it routine was huge panto I did think that perhaps his tactical nous might not have been that good when the league caught up with him, or maybe that fit in with the funding at Arsenal? Wengers problem for me was he never properly replaced the likes of Cole,Campbell,Toure and Keown et al. He's always had an eye for midfielders and Forwards in general but his defence after the above moved on or retired always seemed to struggle. H Agreed. But also Vierra. He never replaced him. He was their Keane. All the top sides need a midfielder like that.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 12, 2020 8:55:15 GMT
So today I watched Lineker, Wright and Shearer do a podcast talking about the best premier league manager of all time. Not the best manager of all time, which you would think the whole country would be interested in, but the best PL manager of all time!!
I grew up thinking that the BBC was part of the foundations of the country I loved, and was fundamentally entwined with my national identity.
However the fact is that the BBC is in thrall to the Premier league. If it doesn't big up the PL it doesn't get the rights to show their matches. So I made my peace with that, understanding the realaties of life is part of growing up. However!! We are not in normal times! The BBC is supposed to be doing its best to pull Britain together in times of crisis, and still we have this craven sucking up to the PL on behalf of the BBC in case god forbid they upset them!!! Today we had the discussion of the best PL manager between Lineker, Shearer, and Wright!! And they can only obviously talk about managers since 1992!
Thats fine, as I said to my 30 year old nephew. Imagine that in 20 years time we were discussing the best manager ever and you couldn't mention Wenger, Dalglish, Mourinho, or Fergusson! Now I'm in my mid 50's and the BBC have cynically erased my greatest childhood memories, Clough, Kendall, Paisley couldn't be considered, and my brother couldn't consider Shankley, or Busby either!! My dad is older, and managers like Champman, Nicholson etc come into play
The fact is however is that the BBC is run by 30 somethings who don't give a toss, and as far as they are concerned the sooner inconvenient old people do one the better Sifta Shepherds Bush ex BBC The programme is about the Premier League. I have no interest in the Premier League presently, so did not watch and did therefore not get upset about more big club arse licking pandering to glory hunters. BM I hate the Before Premier League and After Premier League bollocks. As if the football before was irrelevant. Total bollocks. Depressing bollocks.
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 12, 2020 8:57:25 GMT
I didnt watch it, please tell me Wenger didnt get number 1 over Fergie?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 12, 2020 9:08:37 GMT
Can't wait for Boris to finally pull the plug on that cunt. The BBC has been a distasteful outfit for years but the way they've reported on the coronavirus with such relentless negativity and scare mongering is shameful.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 12, 2020 9:34:30 GMT
Can't wait for Boris to finally pull the plug on that cunt. The BBC has been a distasteful outfit for years but the way they've reported on the coronavirus with such relentless negativity and scare mongering is shameful. 😂😂😂
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Post by RAF on Apr 12, 2020 9:38:32 GMT
Wengers problem for me was he never properly replaced the likes of Cole,Campbell,Toure and Keown et al. He's always had an eye for midfielders and Forwards in general but his defence after the above moved on or retired always seemed to struggle. H Agreed. But also Vierra. He never replaced him. He was their Keane. All the top sides need a midfielder like that. Damn straight they do. Unfortunately they are rare as rockinghorse shit at that level. H
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 12, 2020 9:56:04 GMT
Agreed. But also Vierra. He never replaced him. He was their Keane. All the top sides need a midfielder like that. Damn straight they do. Unfortunately they are rare as rockinghorse shit at that level. H Yeah. Players like that are key to winning the league in England. More so than most other countries. Keane and Vierra were almost unique in that they were that type but also incredibly consistent. They did it season after season. I still think Kante was the key to Leicester winning the league, for that one season he was as good as Keane and Vierra.
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Post by werrington on Apr 12, 2020 10:13:46 GMT
Absolutely not. It can't be questioned. As an aside, listening to Ian Wright about Wenger, it sounds like (as we know already) was so far ahead of modern football with conditioning / diet / fitness , He clearly revolutionised the game in this country & his did not zee it routine was huge panto I did think that perhaps his tactical nous might not have been that good when the league caught up with him, or maybe that fit in with the funding at Arsenal? Wengers problem for me was he never properly replaced the likes of Cole,Campbell,Toure and Keown et al. He's always had an eye for midfielders and Forwards in general but his defence after the above moved on or retired always seemed to struggle. H Arsenal needed Huth and Shawcross and they’d of gone on to better things Instead he purchased centre half’s who could pass a ball but couldn't defend and it turned into a shambles
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 12, 2020 10:22:41 GMT
Can't wait for Boris to finally pull the plug on that cunt. The BBC has been a distasteful outfit for years but the way they've reported on the coronavirus with such relentless negativity and scare mongering is shameful. How are they supposed to report it? By saying everythings fucking rosy? 'nearly a thousand people died again today, but hey, think of the ones that didn't!'
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Post by raythesailor on Apr 12, 2020 12:20:13 GMT
Despite my rant and opening post last week I watched again this week about managers.
It was a lot better. The three weren’t so much up their own backsides and spoke in a knowledgeable way.
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Post by RAF on Apr 12, 2020 12:24:16 GMT
Damn straight they do. Unfortunately they are rare as rockinghorse shit at that level. H Yeah. Players like that are key to winning the league in England. More so than most other countries. Keane and Vierra were almost unique in that they were that type but also incredibly consistent. They did it season after season. I still think Kante was the key to Leicester winning the league, for that one season he was as good as Keane and Vierra. I'd say Kante was pivotal that season for his workrate alone. But he wasn't the enforcer type character the other two mentioned above were.Effective none the less. H
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Post by RAF on Apr 12, 2020 12:27:09 GMT
Wengers problem for me was he never properly replaced the likes of Cole,Campbell,Toure and Keown et al. He's always had an eye for midfielders and Forwards in general but his defence after the above moved on or retired always seemed to struggle. H Arsenal needed Huth and Shawcross and they’d of gone on to better things Instead he purchased centre half’s who could pass a ball but couldn't defend and it turned into a shambles He definitely needed a couple of no nonsense centre halves instead of John Stones clones! H
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 11:25:50 GMT
Arsenal needed Huth and Shawcross and they’d of gone on to better things Instead he purchased centre half’s who could pass a ball but couldn't defend and it turned into a shambles He definitely needed a couple of no nonsense centre halves instead of John Stones clones! H Tony Adam was the man for arsenal Everyone looked up to him And he was a brilliant captain But to say Adams, Paul Merson , ray parlor and co , were a bunch of p#ssheads is the understatement of the century . They weren't really Wenger's idea of professional .He kept them longer than he wanted because he couldn't replace them .They might have been p#ssheads and they may well be embarrassed to look back on their own antics .But they were great players , who got the job done and Wenger just couldn't find sober players as good
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Post by conroyfan on Apr 18, 2020 21:55:41 GMT
Have to say don't appreciate these love-in programmes with Linekar and the other heads choosing the best of this and the best of that; Why not just show some classic matches,goals, incidents, controversies , maybe a full episode from 1975 or whenever...too many talking heads and focus on current prem, show some football!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2020 22:11:43 GMT
They’ve just don’t top 10 foreign imports in the PL and didn’t have Aguero in there
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Post by RF10 on Apr 18, 2020 22:15:03 GMT
They’ve just don’t top 10 foreign imports in the PL and didn’t have Aguero in there Having Roy Keane even as a foreign import is a joke. No Zola either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 18, 2020 22:20:08 GMT
They’ve just don’t top 10 foreign imports in the PL and didn’t have Aguero in there Having Roy Keane even as a foreign import is a joke. No Zola either. Technically correct though. Yeah Zola should probably be up there. Be interesting to see who Chelsea fans would pick out of him or Hazard.
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Post by RF10 on Apr 18, 2020 22:27:17 GMT
Having Roy Keane even as a foreign import is a joke. No Zola either. Technically correct though. Yeah Zola should probably be up there. Be interesting to see who Chelsea fans would pick out of him or Hazard. I'm not having it, I was fuming for the full programme about it! Also be interesting if Chelsea fans would choose Kante over Makelele, I wouldn't although Kante is fantastic.
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