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Post by Veritas on May 18, 2020 11:42:51 GMT
I think with the games in Germany going ahead over the weekend and seemingly with no issues yet then we will follow soon. That's actually a huge part of the problem for me. Everyone in this country is going to look at Germany and say we should copy what they are doing if they have no issues. The problem with that is over here in the mainstream media the government are getting crucified for not dealing with the crisis correctly and Germany are often held up as an example of what we SHOULD have done. This is entirely correct. Their infastructure and organisation is far superior and has proven to be throughout. The missing link that many are either forgetting to talk about or conveniently overlooking for the benefit of the money involved, is that there is more likely to be issues in our country than Germany because we aren't testing to the same level or standard, we aren't tracking and tracing to the same level or standard and we aren't governed centrally to the same standard. You can't on one hand say "Oh look at Germany, they are doing it so much better than we are. The government has failed us" and on the other "See, Germany can get football going again, we should just do what they do." The two don't go together for me.* *You being the overall football community and not you personally. I agree he comparison with Germany is flawed. The government is keen to get out of lockdown to avoid being left behind when other countries like Germany start to get their economies going again. The problem is because we delayed going into lockdown our rates are currently still much higher therefore relaxing poses a much higher risk. I would favour voiding the season and starting again in August when hopefully rates are much lower.
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Post by Squeekster on May 18, 2020 11:57:24 GMT
I think with the games in Germany going ahead over the weekend and seemingly with no issues yet then we will follow soon. That's actually a huge part of the problem for me. Everyone in this country is going to look at Germany and say we should copy what they are doing if they have no issues. The problem with that is over here in the mainstream media the government are getting crucified for not dealing with the crisis correctly and Germany are often held up as an example of what we SHOULD have done. This is entirely correct. Their infastructure and organisation is far superior and has proven to be throughout. The missing link that many are either forgetting to talk about or conveniently overlooking for the benefit of the money involved, is that there is more likely to be issues in our country than Germany because we aren't testing to the same level or standard, we aren't tracking and tracing to the same level or standard and we aren't governed centrally to the same standard. You can't on one hand say "Oh look at Germany, they are doing it so much better than we are. The government has failed us" and on the other "See, Germany can get football going again, we should just do what they do." The two don't go together for me.* *You being the overall football community and not you personally. Whilst I agree with all of that, as long as the people involved are tested and quarantined I think it could be done weather we like it or not and the powers that be will still see it as an opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 11:59:28 GMT
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Post by noustie on May 18, 2020 12:03:38 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2020 12:21:18 GMT
That's actually a huge part of the problem for me. Everyone in this country is going to look at Germany and say we should copy what they are doing if they have no issues. The problem with that is over here in the mainstream media the government are getting crucified for not dealing with the crisis correctly and Germany are often held up as an example of what we SHOULD have done. This is entirely correct. Their infastructure and organisation is far superior and has proven to be throughout. The missing link that many are either forgetting to talk about or conveniently overlooking for the benefit of the money involved, is that there is more likely to be issues in our country than Germany because we aren't testing to the same level or standard, we aren't tracking and tracing to the same level or standard and we aren't governed centrally to the same standard. You can't on one hand say "Oh look at Germany, they are doing it so much better than we are. The government has failed us" and on the other "See, Germany can get football going again, we should just do what they do." The two don't go together for me.* *You being the overall football community and not you personally. Whilst I agree with all of that, as long as the people involved are tested and quarantined I think it could be done weather we like it or not and the powers that be will still see it as an opportunity. I don't think the public are going to accept that footballers can get tested every week while they can't. Why should a member of Joe public have to go into work each day, not knowing if they could catch the virus off the colleague they're working with but for footballers, they get to find out?
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Post by Squeekster on May 18, 2020 12:49:36 GMT
Whilst I agree with all of that, as long as the people involved are tested and quarantined I think it could be done weather we like it or not and the powers that be will still see it as an opportunity. I don't think the public are going to accept that footballers can get tested every week while they can't. Why should a member of Joe public have to go into work each day, not knowing if they could catch the virus off the colleague they're working with but for footballers, they get to find out? Time will tell!
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Post by luke2u on May 18, 2020 13:05:37 GMT
Total deaths in Germany are so far 8,000, the UK has close to 35,000. Yesterday the the UK had ten times as many new cases as Germany with the virus.
You can't compare the two nations at this point.
Call off everything, and let's hope we can start a new season later in the year. We don't need to ruin two seasons, one is enough.
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Post by ab61 on May 18, 2020 13:39:31 GMT
Who cares. It was only going to be one or the other
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Post by hampsonp66 on May 18, 2020 13:45:00 GMT
I have no problem with the season ending. But dont void the season. Award the prizes demote the loses. Cancel the playoffs and either have on less relegation. Or relegation as is and promote top teams in playoffs. Weve played 75% of the season afterall.
Bfb
Ps i would love it to restart behind closed doors. I think it gives some normallity which is badly needed. Think testing players and staff weekly is fine. Cause if any players club staff died of covid. They would be crucified by media
Bfb
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Post by sheds1862 on May 18, 2020 13:54:41 GMT
I also thought that they did a noble thing, but do we know if it had to be unanimous Surely a 23/1 vote meant Vale changing their stance was irrelevant ,? Even so it's better than the clash of egos currently going on with League one chairmen
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Post by sheds1862 on May 18, 2020 13:56:41 GMT
I have no problem with the season ending. But dont void the season. Award the prizes demote the loses. Cancel the playoffs and either have on less relegation. Or relegation as is and promote top teams in playoffs. Weve played 75% of the season afterall. Bfb Ps i would love it to restart behind closed doors. I think it gives some normallity which is badly needed. Think testing players and staff weekly is fine. Cause if any players club staff died of covid. They would be crucified by media Bfb It's not ' normality' though is it mate How often was it said our crowd galvanised the team back in early premier League years. A game behind closed doors is a hollow substitute but certainly nothing like normality
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Post by Squeekster on May 18, 2020 14:01:20 GMT
I have no problem with the season ending. But dont void the season. Award the prizes demote the loses. Cancel the playoffs and either have on less relegation. Or relegation as is and promote top teams in playoffs. Weve played 75% of the season afterall. Bfb Ps i would love it to restart behind closed doors. I think it gives some normallity which is badly needed. Think testing players and staff weekly is fine. Cause if any players club staff died of covid. They would be crucified by media Bfb It's not ' normality' though is it mate How often was it said our crowd galvanised the team back in early premier League years. A game behind closed doors is a hollow substitute but certainly nothing like normality Perhaps normality was the wrong word but I get what he saying, I'd take watching a game like that than not watching at all, after all when we watch away games on line you don't really get the atmosphere of actually being there, well for me anyway.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2020 14:08:29 GMT
Small group training starts tomorrow.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 18, 2020 15:27:05 GMT
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Post by flea79 on May 18, 2020 15:48:39 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2020 16:01:42 GMT
Why? Denying a test isn't really an argument now?
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Post by flea79 on May 18, 2020 16:08:04 GMT
Why? Denying a test isn't really an argument now? can we go locally or do we have go manchester or macclesfield?
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Post by AlliG on May 18, 2020 16:27:49 GMT
Why? Denying a test isn't really an argument now? Isn't his point that the latest update says that anyone over 5 with symptoms can ask for a test, whereas the football clubs will be using tests on players etc who don't have symptoms?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2020 16:29:49 GMT
Why? Denying a test isn't really an argument now? Isn't his point that the latest update says that anyone over 5 with symptoms can ask for a test, whereas the football clubs will be using tests on players etc who don't have symptoms? I believe so. But if you wanted a test that badly you'd surely just say you have x, y and z symptons and then book? There's nothing really stopping anyone booking a test is there? Bar location hence why I haven't answered the above because I have no idea!
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 18, 2020 16:40:25 GMT
This really does set uneasy with me. It's totally down to money in the PL and no one will ever tell me anything different.
Giving more time and lowering the risk for a new season starting in August has to be the option taken.
If Div2 and SPL can see it why cant the PL and Championship (I've probably answered my own question).
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 18, 2020 17:46:09 GMT
Isn't his point that the latest update says that anyone over 5 with symptoms can ask for a test, whereas the football clubs will be using tests on players etc who don't have symptoms? I believe so. But if you wanted a test that badly you'd surely just say you have x, y and z symptons and then book? There's nothing really stopping anyone booking a test is there? Bar location hence why I haven't answered the above because I have no idea! If they're going to test employees of football clubs, then they simply have to test the employee's of ALL businesses that want the test done. An employee shouldn't have to go to work each day not knowing if their colleague could infect them because they are carrying the virus, when a footballer can. The principal is very wrong and folks shouldn't have to lie to get a test.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2020 18:48:02 GMT
I believe so. But if you wanted a test that badly you'd surely just say you have x, y and z symptons and then book? There's nothing really stopping anyone booking a test is there? Bar location hence why I haven't answered the above because I have no idea! If they're going to test employees of football clubs, then they simply have to test the employee's of ALL businesses that want the test done. An employee shouldn't have to go to work each day not knowing if their colleague could infect them because they are carrying the virus, when a footballer can. The principal is very wrong and folks shouldn't have to lie to get a test. Aren’t they doing it for show almost though? And because you can’t adhere to social distancing? Looks like Lasse Sorensen is on his way back to Blighty via the Rotterdam-Hull ferry so would suggest we’re close to coming back?
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Post by flea79 on May 18, 2020 18:59:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 19:12:08 GMT
I believe so. But if you wanted a test that badly you'd surely just say you have x, y and z symptons and then book? There's nothing really stopping anyone booking a test is there? Bar location hence why I haven't answered the above because I have no idea! If they're going to test employees of football clubs, then they simply have to test the employee's of ALL businesses that want the test done. An employee shouldn't have to go to work each day not knowing if their colleague could infect them because they are carrying the virus, when a footballer can. The principal is very wrong and folks shouldn't have to lie to get a test. Totally agree with this. I have to work but I can’t get tested unless I lie about symptoms and potentially use a test that could be needed by a genuine case and yet footballers are given a free pass to get tested as and when they feel like it ? It’s not the players fault I know but right now I’m beginning to loathe football as an industry. The more I see and hear of the millionaire darlings the more I dislike them. People are getting seriously ill and some are dying. Some are on the frontline doing all they can, some are working just to keep businesses and jobs going as best they can. Some people are losing their jobs, struggling for income, trying to keep their heads above water. Football is just a game, a game I’m beginning to lose all respect for.
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Post by henry on May 19, 2020 7:45:28 GMT
Isn't his point that the latest update says that anyone over 5 with symptoms can ask for a test, whereas the football clubs will be using tests on players etc who don't have symptoms? I believe so. But if you wanted a test that badly you'd surely just say you have x, y and z symptons and then book? There's nothing really stopping anyone booking a test is there? Bar location hence why I haven't answered the above because I have no idea! So you want millions of workers to self isolate, stay off work, lie about symptoms, and swamp the whole testing system with false data ? Way to go Batman
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 19, 2020 8:08:38 GMT
I believe so. But if you wanted a test that badly you'd surely just say you have x, y and z symptons and then book? There's nothing really stopping anyone booking a test is there? Bar location hence why I haven't answered the above because I have no idea! So you want millions of workers to self isolate, stay off work, lie about symptoms, and swamp the whole testing system with false data ? Way to go Batman I think you're missing his point completely, or twisting altogether to create an argument.
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Post by henry on May 19, 2020 8:25:42 GMT
So you want millions of workers to self isolate, stay off work, lie about symptoms, and swamp the whole testing system with false data ? Way to go Batman I think you're missing his point completely, or twisting altogether to create an argument. I may be exaggerating it but I’m not twisting it.
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Post by werrington on May 19, 2020 8:54:17 GMT
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Post by stokecitytalke on May 19, 2020 9:01:01 GMT
Surprise surprise! Hull were in free fall before the season stopped.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 9:22:13 GMT
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