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Post by spiderpuss on May 15, 2020 16:06:22 GMT
Not at all actually. It just seems like absoulte fuzzy logic. I couldn't give a shit if we were relegated. This season is over for me, it means absolutely fuck all. I actually think/suspect we'd be one club to come out of this in better shape after this anyway whatever league we're in. Don't be silly Div 3 what was is horrid. Anyone want to go to Crewe? No ta!
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 15, 2020 16:35:53 GMT
Correct decision and common sense prevails. Let’s hope this works it’s way upwards. You’d think if this is what they settled on it’s the fairest way. Bowyers is very unfair IMO. If we’d played 20 games that would be different but we’ve played far more. I’d imagine Charlton are the only club in favour of that as it’s so much in there favour.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 15, 2020 16:47:28 GMT
Correct decision and common sense prevails. Let’s hope this works it’s way upwards. You’d think if this is what they settled on it’s the fairest way. Bowyers is very unfair IMO. If we’d played 20 games that would be different but we’ve played far more. I’d imagine Charlton are the only club in favour of that as it’s so much in there favour. League Two (and probably One) is different to the Championship and even more so the Premiership in that putting on games with no crowd revenue is very likely to send them under if the current situation doesn't already.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on May 15, 2020 16:58:12 GMT
What this PPG logic does not take into account is games left. Let's be hypothetical and say we lost to Hull we would be in the bottom 3. However what if you still had Luton, Charlton and Barnsley at home whilst your rivals have Leeds, West Brom and Forest at home . I don't know the answer, nobody does but it's totally flawed. There is 20% of a season left. Not relegating Stevenage is ludicrous too , if it wasn't for Macc point deduction they are about 10 points adrift having won 3 all season Hull are the ones that rule out any kind of weighted PPG/halfway table bollocks for me. They'd picked up 2 points in 12 games since the turn of the year (after selling their best players) and were starting to really get tonked for fun. 9 goals against in their last 2 games. Currently 1 place and 2 points above the drop with 9 games left, there's absolutely no way that they wouldn't have been relegated but stay up in all suggested early-finish scenarios so far. Unless there's some kind of one that comes in that takes recent form and difficulty of game into account then they fuck it all off. Last 12 Games PPG: 19th Stoke - 1.58 20th Wigan - 1.75 21st Hull - 0.16 -------------------- 22nd Charlton - 0.83 23rd Luton - 1.16 24th Barnsley - 1.08 Carry that form on for the last 9 games and you get (points rounded up to the nearest point): 21st Charlton - 47pts --------------------- 22nd Luton - 46pts 23rd Barnsley - 44pts 24th Hull - 43pts Stoke and Wigan on 56 and 57 points. So Hull can bollocks if they stay up in any scenario.
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Post by scfc75 on May 15, 2020 17:01:02 GMT
Correct decision and common sense prevails. Let’s hope this works it’s way upwards. You’d think if this is what they settled on it’s the fairest way. Bowyers is very unfair IMO. If we’d played 20 games that would be different but we’ve played far more. I’d imagine Charlton are the only club in favour of that as it’s so much in there favour. It would also suit Luton and Sheff Weds to have the half way point method. Sheff Weds were third and Luton weren’t in the bottom three. For any other club, aside from final position, it wouldn’t alter promotion or relegation.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on May 15, 2020 17:04:55 GMT
just been informed that if the season had been suspended one week earlier than it was Vale would have ended up in the playoffs with the PPG calculations! the footballing gods are truly still with us Start the plane for a flight over Burslem....
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Post by Veritas on May 15, 2020 17:07:34 GMT
Everything is pointing to the PL and Championship playing out the season, personally I would void the season, so squeaky bum time ahead for us then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2020 17:10:03 GMT
Not at all actually. It just seems like absoulte fuzzy logic. I couldn't give a shit if we were relegated. This season is over for me, it means absolutely fuck all. I actually think/suspect we'd be one club to come out of this in better shape after this anyway whatever league we're in. You ever seen us in the 3rd tier? It's a hell hole. Yeah. 🤷♂️ Is my football thoughts atm
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Post by Veritas on May 15, 2020 17:10:25 GMT
No relegation eh. Going to be fascinating how League 1 plays out. I can't see the logic of going ahead with promotion and play offs but saying no relegation. Did they need a unanimous vote and this was the only way to Stevenage on board?
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Post by flea79 on May 15, 2020 18:08:22 GMT
just been informed that if the season had been suspended one week earlier than it was Vale would have ended up in the playoffs with the PPG calculations! the footballing gods are truly still with us Start the plane for a flight over Burslem.... Wouldn’t matter if we flew it over when the ground was empty either as that’s normal! Although plenty in burslem would see it, they all stop and point at the big metal birds that fly over every day
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 15, 2020 18:10:05 GMT
Not at all actually. It just seems like absoulte fuzzy logic. I couldn't give a shit if we were relegated. This season is over for me, it means absolutely fuck all. I actually think/suspect we'd be one club to come out of this in better shape after this anyway whatever league we're in. You couldn't give a shit if we were relegated?? You do realise that league one and league two will not survive playing behind closed doors and there's no chance there'll be playing in front of crowds until 2021 / 22 season. What a ludicrous thing to say.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2020 18:11:37 GMT
Not at all actually. It just seems like absoulte fuzzy logic. I couldn't give a shit if we were relegated. This season is over for me, it means absolutely fuck all. I actually think/suspect we'd be one club to come out of this in better shape after this anyway whatever league we're in. You couldn't give a shit if we were relegated?? You do realise that league one and league two will not survive playing behind closed doors and there's no chance there'll be playing in front of crowds until 2021 / 22 season. What a ludicrous thing to say. This season is done for me. So yeah if we were relegated I would not give a toss. It’s totally irrelevant.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 15, 2020 18:13:30 GMT
You couldn't give a shit if we were relegated?? You do realise that league one and league two will not survive playing behind closed doors and there's no chance there'll be playing in front of crowds until 2021 / 22 season. What a ludicrous thing to say. This season is done for me. So yeah if we were relegated I would not give a toss. It’s totally irrelevant. It's not irrelevant at all if league one and two doesn't exist next year.
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Post by Squeekster on May 15, 2020 19:44:12 GMT
Difficult to understand why Stevenage agreed to this. 3 points adrift, a game in hand over Macclesfield and 10 games left to play .......There’s every possibility they could escape relegation. I've had a quick look mate and they aren't happy, they are 3 points behind with a game in hand and they think they have every chance of getting out of it. I'm not sure but have I read that the lower down you go the vote is majority as apposed to the championship where they all have to agree.
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Post by spiderpuss on May 15, 2020 20:39:59 GMT
Difficult to understand why Stevenage agreed to this. 3 points adrift, a game in hand over Macclesfield and 10 games left to play .......There’s every possibility they could escape relegation. I've had a quick look mate and they aren't happy, they are 3 points behind with a game in hand and they think they have every chance of getting out of it. I'm not sure but have I read that the lower down you go the vote is majority as apposed to the championship where they all have to agree. Makes you wonder if we will ever get to an answer!
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Post by Boothen on May 15, 2020 21:33:30 GMT
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Post by spiderpuss on May 15, 2020 21:42:02 GMT
I wonder what genuine fans are thinking right now. Vale looked to be in with a shout here, however it wouldn't be guarantee promotion. I dare say Exeter city are way more pissed off at this outcome.
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Post by lordb on May 15, 2020 21:54:54 GMT
In all of English football the club I feel sorriest for is Barrow 50 years since being, unfairly,voted out they have played cracking football to get so close now.
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Post by Uncle cheese on May 15, 2020 22:00:17 GMT
League one looking to add more teams to play offs. Surely that means they think the championship will finish?
Charlton as it stands relegated and a team finishing as low as 7/8/9/10th maybe promoted
Can’t be allowed to happen surely if the championship went for PPG
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Post by Veritas on May 16, 2020 8:41:03 GMT
In all of English football the club I feel sorriest for is Barrow 50 years since being, unfairly,voted out they have played cracking football to get so close now. Even with no relegation from Div 2 EFL are looking to replace Bury to get back up to normal numbers so Barrow may still be ok.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 16, 2020 8:50:58 GMT
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Post by lordb on May 16, 2020 9:12:58 GMT
In all of English football the club I feel sorriest for is Barrow 50 years since being, unfairly,voted out they have played cracking football to get so close now. Even with no relegation from Div 2 EFL are looking to replace Bury to get back up to normal numbers so Barrow may still be ok. What is happening with Bury anyroad?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 16, 2020 10:28:24 GMT
Even with no relegation from Div 2 EFL are looking to replace Bury to get back up to normal numbers so Barrow may still be ok. What is happening with Bury anyroad? The original plan was to relegate one less in Leagues One and Two and promote the usual two from the National League to even the numbers. So 3 down from League One and just one down from League Two. All up in the air now obviously. And long term could depend on how many other league teams go bust. If Stevenage get relegated then Barrow should still go up I'd imagine.
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Post by flea79 on May 16, 2020 16:31:07 GMT
I haven’t stopped shaking since our under 23 game at the pig sty the smell was awful!
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Post by mattyd on May 17, 2020 12:01:58 GMT
My solution is quite simple.
Firstly, whats the point in continuing to the end, as the last few games the vast majority will be dead rubbers, Teams v Teams that can neither go up or down, so just pointless.
So... Give the title now to Liverpool...They will hate it as there will always be an asterix against them.
Where teams have games in hand, award them a 0-0 draw and 1 point.
Bottom club to go down, and in the prem 16 v 19 Play off over 2 legs...Winner stays up, 17 v 18 Play Off..winner stays up...Both losers go down...No play off final.
Championship...Leeds as top go up, with 2nd v 5th, and 3rd v 4th 2 legged play off, winners to go up no play off final...
Replicated for the whole 3 tiers ( except Div 1 , only 2 go down, to factor in Bury...)
For the FA Cup, ...Simple...Wembley to host all 4 qtr finals over 2 days, behind closed doors... Sat 12.00 KO & 5.00 KO, same on sunday.
Then again on Weds for the semis....12.00 KO 5.00 KO.
Then the Final the following week
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Post by Veritas on May 17, 2020 13:29:27 GMT
My solution is quite simple. Firstly, whats the point in continuing to the end, as the last few games the vast majority will be dead rubbers, Teams v Teams that can neither go up or down, so just pointless. So... Give the title now to Liverpool...They will hate it as there will always be an asterix against them. Where teams have games in hand, award them a 0-0 draw and 1 point. Bottom club to go down, and in the prem 16 v 19 Play off over 2 legs...Winner stays up, 17 v 18 Play Off..winner stays up...Both losers go down...No play off final. Championship...Leeds as top go up, with 2nd v 5th, and 3rd v 4th 2 legged play off, winners to go up no play off final... Replicated for the whole 3 tiers ( except Div 1 , only 2 go down, to factor in Bury...) For the FA Cup, ...Simple...Wembley to host all 4 qtr finals over 2 days, behind closed doors... Sat 12.00 KO & 5.00 KO, same on sunday. Then again on Weds for the semis....12.00 KO 5.00 KO. Then the Final the following week Too much time on your hands
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Post by Miles Offside on May 18, 2020 11:13:28 GMT
The pressure to complete this season is mainly financial, and whether we like it or not that's a big motivator for clubs, although it might be that the players make the final decision.
Either way, I can't see any of us sitting in the Bet365 stadium until sometime next year. That leaves us with the choice of watching a stream of a soulless event in an empty stadium, or not watching us play again for ages.
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Post by Squeekster on May 18, 2020 11:27:22 GMT
I think with the games in Germany going ahead over the weekend and seemingly with no issues yet then we will follow soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 11:34:59 GMT
I think with the games in Germany going ahead over the weekend and seemingly with no issues yet then we will follow soon. That's actually a huge part of the problem for me. Everyone in this country is going to look at Germany and say we should copy what they are doing if they have no issues. The problem with that is over here in the mainstream media the government are getting crucified for not dealing with the crisis correctly and Germany are often held up as an example of what we SHOULD have done. This is entirely correct. Their infastructure and organisation is far superior and has proven to be throughout. The missing link that many are either forgetting to talk about or conveniently overlooking for the benefit of the money involved, is that there is more likely to be issues in our country than Germany because we aren't testing to the same level or standard, we aren't tracking and tracing to the same level or standard and we aren't governed centrally to the same standard. You can't on one hand say "Oh look at Germany, they are doing it so much better than we are. The government has failed us" and on the other "See, Germany can get football going again, we should just do what they do." The two don't go together for me.* *You being the overall football community and not you personally.
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Post by Veritas on May 18, 2020 11:36:56 GMT
The pressure to complete this season is mainly financial, and whether we like it or not that's a big motivator for clubs, although it might be that the players make the final decision. Either way, I can't see any of us sitting in the Bet365 stadium until sometime next year. That leaves us with the choice of watching a stream of a soulless event in an empty stadium, or not watching us play again for ages. No contest, I will be watching then.
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