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Post by somersetstokie on May 19, 2020 9:32:52 GMT
Whilst I agree with all of that, as long as the people involved are tested and quarantined I think it could be done weather we like it or not and the powers that be will still see it as an opportunity. I don't think the public are going to accept that footballers can get tested every week while they can't.Why should a member of Joe public have to go into work each day, not knowing if they could catch the virus off the colleague they're working with but for footballers, they get to find out?I quite agree. As I have posted previously, I heard an excellent comment on the radio the other night. The point was being made that if the Premier League was to resume under controlled conditions, then it was likely that those would be the safest workplace conditions available anywhere, with repeated regular testing, minimal conditions of risk, outdoors, with access to first rate medical back up services. Players were effectively getting a fair, or even very good deal. Yet there are still many of them moaning, such as Troy Deeney. So why is there all this fuss about these pampered prima donnas not feeling safe about returning to what they laughingly call work. Probably 10 hours of training a week plus the odd match or two. They have the best available medical care and advice and I would be very surprised if any of them are in a high risk population group or have "underlying health problems". Yet some of them apparently feel that it is not appropriate to dip their toe back in the water, even under controlled conditions, but "ordinary" folk such as production line workers are faced with hourly high risk contact situations. If the public had not previously lost any sense of identification with the players before, they certainly will have done now, and will quite rightly question the whole set up of footballers priviledged life style.
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Post by somersetstokie on May 19, 2020 9:43:46 GMT
Not exactly speaking from a position of strength are they.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 19, 2020 10:40:47 GMT
I believe so. But if you wanted a test that badly you'd surely just say you have x, y and z symptons and then book? There's nothing really stopping anyone booking a test is there? Bar location hence why I haven't answered the above because I have no idea! So you want millions of workers to self isolate, stay off work, lie about symptoms, and swamp the whole testing system with false data ? Way to go Batman Where have I said that's what I want? I was just answering the question as to why I don't think it's an issue because that's what people would do. I don't want them to do anything.
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Post by hampsonp66 on May 19, 2020 10:46:29 GMT
Why do people assume football clubs will use government testing. I would expect they would setup a system for themselves and pay for it. No need to take away from what government do.
I do not believe the season should be voided. We've played too much of it. Stop it and award prizes / relegation. It's an insult to all of its voided. It makes what liverpool have done worth nothing.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 19, 2020 10:48:10 GMT
I don't think the public are going to accept that footballers can get tested every week while they can't.Why should a member of Joe public have to go into work each day, not knowing if they could catch the virus off the colleague they're working with but for footballers, they get to find out? I quite agree. As I have posted previously, I heard an excellent comment on the radio the other night. The point was being made that if the Premier League was to resume under controlled conditions, then it was likely that those would be the safest workplace conditions available anywhere, with repeated regular testing, minimal conditions of risk, outdoors, with access to first rate medical back up services. Players were effectively getting a fair, or even very good deal. Yet there are still many of them moaning, such as Troy Deeney. So why is there all this fuss about these pampered prima donnas not feeling safe about returning to what they laughingly call work. Probably 10 hours of training a week plus the odd match or two. They have the best available medical care and advice and I would be very surprised if any of them are in a high risk population group or have "underlying health problems". Yet some of them apparently feel that it is not appropriate to dip their toe back in the water, even under controlled conditions, but "ordinary" folk such as production line workers are faced with hourly high risk contact situations. If the public had not previously lost any sense of identification with the players before, they certainly will have done now, and will quite rightly question the whole set up of footballers privelidged life style. Wow, that's quite a stretch. I would suggest many/most supporters would accept players not wishing to play at such a time. How you've managed to twist it as tirade AGAINST footballers is quite something. JuST GeT ON WiTH It YOu ovErPaid FaNNiES.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 19, 2020 10:53:30 GMT
Why do people assume football clubs will use government testing. I would expect they would setup a system for themselves and pay for it. No need to take away from what government do. I do not believe the season should be voided. We've played too much of it. Stop it and award prizes / relegation. It's an insult to all of its voided. It makes what liverpool have done worth nothing. Bfb That was my presumption too. Just like at the start of it when people were paying for tests if they could afford it.
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Post by somersetstokie on May 19, 2020 11:04:22 GMT
Quote "Wow, that's quite a stretch. I would suggest many/most supporters would accept players not wishing to play at such a time. How you've managed to twist it as tirade AGAINST footballers is quite something. JuST GeT ON WiTH It YOu ovErPaid FaNNiES."
The correct interpretation Gary is that, if we can't make the proposed virus controls acceptable to professional footballers, what sort of chance or example does that leave for the ordinary working person, who will most likely have less say in the matter anyway. People have to go to work. Top footballers do clearly have a choice and many never have to work again. But to say they feel at risk is surprising and a hard position to justify.
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Post by werrington on May 19, 2020 11:12:25 GMT
If they're going to test employees of football clubs, then they simply have to test the employee's of ALL businesses that want the test done. An employee shouldn't have to go to work each day not knowing if their colleague could infect them because they are carrying the virus, when a footballer can. The principal is very wrong and folks shouldn't have to lie to get a test. Totally agree with this. I have to work but I can’t get tested unless I lie about symptoms and potentially use a test that could be needed by a genuine case and yet footballers are given a free pass to get tested as and when they feel like it ? It’s not the players fault I know but right now I’m beginning to loathe football as an industry. The more I see and hear of the millionaire darlings the more I dislike them. People are getting seriously ill and some are dying. Some are on the frontline doing all they can, some are working just to keep businesses and jobs going as best they can. Some people are losing their jobs, struggling for income, trying to keep their heads above water. Football is just a game, a game I’m beginning to lose all respect for.
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Post by GrahamHyde on May 19, 2020 11:35:58 GMT
Deeney not returning to training, club have backed him.
"My son is only five months old, he had breathing difficulties, so I don't want to come home to put him in more danger."
"For black, Asian and mixed ethnicities, they're four times more likely to get the illness, they're twice as likely to have long lasting illnesses - is there anything extra, additional screening, heart stuff to see if people have got problems with that? No. OK, well I feel that should be addressed.
"I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions, not because they didn't want to, just because they don't know the information.
"So I said if you don't know the information, why would I put myself at risk?"
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Post by scfc75 on May 19, 2020 11:43:44 GMT
Deeney not returning to training, club have backed him. "My son is only five months old, he had breathing difficulties, so I don't want to come home to put him in more danger." "For black, Asian and mixed ethnicities, they're four times more likely to get the illness, they're twice as likely to have long lasting illnesses - is there anything extra, additional screening, heart stuff to see if people have got problems with that? No. OK, well I feel that should be addressed. "I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions, not because they didn't want to, just because they don't know the information. "So I said if you don't know the information, why would I put myself at risk?" Absolutely agree with him. Well done for making a stand.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:45:57 GMT
Deeney not returning to training, club have backed him. "My son is only five months old, he had breathing difficulties, so I don't want to come home to put him in more danger." "For black, Asian and mixed ethnicities, they're four times more likely to get the illness, they're twice as likely to have long lasting illnesses - is there anything extra, additional screening, heart stuff to see if people have got problems with that? No. OK, well I feel that should be addressed. "I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions, not because they didn't want to, just because they don't know the information. "So I said if you don't know the information, why would I put myself at risk?" I think this now raises a very different issue that has not really been thought about. Is starting up football with the situation Deeney mentions actually quite discriminatory against BAME players, if indeed they all decide to walk away and it continues regardless?
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Post by lordb on May 19, 2020 11:48:48 GMT
For me it's really simple Is it safe to play football Clearly the answer is no at the moment
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Post by somersetstokie on May 19, 2020 11:50:29 GMT
Troy's comments are fair and that is his interpretation. But only true up to a point.
My understanding is that the infection probability for the virus has been, and will continue to be, much higher for black and ethnic groups, but this is not necessarily because of any genetic reason. Statistics show higher incidences of the disease for this section of the population because so many are in lower paid public positions, such as Bus Drivers, Street Cleaners, Taxi Drivers and Station staff, where there is much more likelihood of frequent people contact. This is a fact of life, but suggests that essentially a footballer is not going to be at more risk because of his colour. However the point Troy makes about his son and infection transfer is valid and no one can argue that fact.
My position is merely that if we can't make the working conditions after lockdown safe for top footballers, with all of their advantages, what chance is there for anyone else to go to work safely.
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Post by scfc75 on May 19, 2020 11:53:03 GMT
For me it's really simple Is it safe to play football Clearly the answer is no at the moment If I’m a pro footballer I can go and run around a pitch in close proximity to 21 other blokes, but I can’t go to meet both my parents at the same time in a socially distanced environment. I know they’re being tested (which is a whole other argument) but it’s a total joke.
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Post by thehowler on May 19, 2020 12:05:47 GMT
Deeney not returning to training, club have backed him. "My son is only five months old, he had breathing difficulties, so I don't want to come home to put him in more danger." "For black, Asian and mixed ethnicities, they're four times more likely to get the illness, they're twice as likely to have long lasting illnesses - is there anything extra, additional screening, heart stuff to see if people have got problems with that? No. OK, well I feel that should be addressed. "I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions, not because they didn't want to, just because they don't know the information. "So I said if you don't know the information, why would I put myself at risk?" Absolutely agree with him. Well done for making a stand.
I think that the point about not being able to get a haircut is disingenuous - it seems obvious that the reason football is on the table is because there's a guarantee that everyone involved HAS been tested and is PROVEN to be virus-free. The same will not be for a barbers/hairdressers.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 19, 2020 12:09:14 GMT
Absolutely agree with him. Well done for making a stand.
I think that the point about not being able to get a haircut is disingenuous - it seems obvious that the reason football is on the table is because there's a guarantee that everyone involved HAS been tested and is PROVEN to be virus-free. The same will not be for a barbers/hairdressers. Proven at that point they are tested. And even if that part is disingenuous, why is it up to anybody other than Deeney to have an opinion on how to protect his kids?
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Post by thehowler on May 19, 2020 12:09:47 GMT
Troy's comments are fair and that is his interpretation. But only true up to a point. My understanding is that the infection probability for the virus has been, and will continue to be, much higher for black and ethnic groups, but this is not necessarily because of any genetic reason. Statistics show higher incidences of the disease for this section of the population because so many are in lower paid public positions, such as Bus Drivers, Street Cleaners, Taxi Drivers and Station staff, where there is much more likelihood of frequent people contact. This is a fact of life, but suggests that essentially a footballer is not going to be at more risk because of his colour. However the point Troy makes about his son and infection transfer is valid and no one can argue that fact. My position is merely that if we can't make the working conditions after lockdown safe for top footballers, with all of their advantages, what chance is there for anyone else to go to work safely. "My position is merely that if we can't make the working conditions after lockdown safe for top footballers, with all of their advantages, what chance is there for anyone else to go to work safely."
Absolutely.
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Post by thehowler on May 19, 2020 12:11:21 GMT
I think that the point about not being able to get a haircut is disingenuous - it seems obvious that the reason football is on the table is because there's a guarantee that everyone involved HAS been tested and is PROVEN to be virus-free. The same will not be for a barbers/hairdressers. Proven at that point they are tested. And even if that part is disingenuous, why is it up to anybody other than Deeney to have an opinion on how to protect his kids? It isn't, and I agree with him. He doesn't have to play if he feels that way/ Not sure it warrants a press release, though
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Post by scfc75 on May 19, 2020 12:11:30 GMT
Absolutely agree with him. Well done for making a stand. I think that the point about not being able to get a haircut is disingenuous - it seems obvious that the reason football is on the table is because there's a guarantee that everyone involved HAS been tested and is PROVEN to be virus-free. The same will not be for a barbers/hairdressers. How often are they being tested though? Is it daily? (I genuinely don’t know)...What’s stopping Kyle Walker from testing negative, being allowed to train or play, then going to a party with a couple of prostitutes (or something equally as dumb), turning up again with the virus the next day and then transmitting it to a team mate who takes it home and gives it to their family? Is there a GUARANTEE that no player will transmit the virus?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 19, 2020 12:14:29 GMT
Totally agree with this. I have to work but I can’t get tested unless I lie about symptoms and potentially use a test that could be needed by a genuine case and yet footballers are given a free pass to get tested as and when they feel like it ? It’s not the players fault I know but right now I’m beginning to loathe football as an industry. The more I see and hear of the millionaire darlings the more I dislike them. People are getting seriously ill and some are dying. Some are on the frontline doing all they can, some are working just to keep businesses and jobs going as best they can. Some people are losing their jobs, struggling for income, trying to keep their heads above water. Football is just a game, a game I’m beginning to lose all respect for. I don't think the issue has ever been about taking NHS tests Mick but rather ... The principal (and that's the important bit) that player's can get tests, when 99% of employees in the country can't, is what I feel uncomfortable about. And let's say a few big firms decided that THEY wanted to get their employees tested regularly, is the capacity actually there in the private sector to do so? Would footballers take precedent?
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Post by thehowler on May 19, 2020 12:14:30 GMT
I think that the point about not being able to get a haircut is disingenuous - it seems obvious that the reason football is on the table is because there's a guarantee that everyone involved HAS been tested and is PROVEN to be virus-free. The same will not be for a barbers/hairdressers. How often are they being tested though? Is it daily? (I genuinely don’t know)...What’s stopping Kyle Walker from testing negative, being allowed to train or play, then going to a party with a couple of prostitutes (or something equally as dumb), turning up again with the virus the next day and then transmitting it to a team mate who takes it home and gives it to their family? Is there a GUARANTEE that no player will transmit the virus? Unsure on the testing frequency. I don't think can't stop an industry from working because of the risk of one employee being an idiot. We'd all be out of work if that was the case As I understand from the German league the players are tested multiple times per day - although I'm unsure on the turnaround of test->result.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 19, 2020 12:15:13 GMT
I think that the point about not being able to get a haircut is disingenuous - it seems obvious that the reason football is on the table is because there's a guarantee that everyone involved HAS been tested and is PROVEN to be virus-free. The same will not be for a barbers/hairdressers. How often are they being tested though? Is it daily? (I genuinely don’t know)...What’s stopping Kyle Walker from testing negative, being allowed to train or play, then going to a party with a couple of prostitutes (or something equally as dumb), turning up again with the virus the next day and then transmitting it to a team mate who takes it home and gives it to their family? Is there a GUARANTEE that no player will transmit the virus? Exactly the point. Nobody can guarantee that players won't come into contact with anyone. I doubt their wives are going out doing the weekly shopping and mixing with the public, but they can't lock every player and their family indoors to ensure the football season resumes.
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Post by werrington on May 19, 2020 12:17:18 GMT
I don't think the issue has ever been about taking NHS tests Mick but rather ... The principal (and that's the important bit) that player's can get tests, when 99% of employees in the country can't, is what I feel uncomfortable about. And let's say a few big firms decided that THEY wanted to get their employees tested regularly, is the capacity actually there in the private sector to do so? Would footballers take precedent? That would only be answered if a big firm stepped forward and said they wanted to do it So far they haven’t as far as I’m aware Paul
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 12:22:52 GMT
How often are they being tested though? Is it daily? (I genuinely don’t know)...What’s stopping Kyle Walker from testing negative, being allowed to train or play, then going to a party with a couple of prostitutes (or something equally as dumb), turning up again with the virus the next day and then transmitting it to a team mate who takes it home and gives it to their family? Is there a GUARANTEE that no player will transmit the virus? Unsure on the testing frequency. I don't think can't stop an industry from working because of the risk of one employee being an idiot. We'd all be out of work if that was the case As I understand from the German league the players are tested multiple times per day - although I'm unsure on the turnaround of test->result. The talk here in the UK was twice a week for our footballers. Typically, if Gemany are doing it multiple times a day and their infection rate is so much lower than ours already, then that is yet again something they are doing way, way better than us. Therefore, they will require hands-on treatment and massages. And obviously medical personnel would be required if someone is more seriously injured on the training ground. Key to getting round this will be regular testing for Covid-19 symptoms within clubs. The Premier League has already committed £4million to acquire 26,000 testing kits so players can be checked twice weekly when full training resumes.www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8293167/Coronavirus-UK-medical-issues-Premier-League-tries-restart.html
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Post by somersetstokie on May 19, 2020 13:39:14 GMT
As an aside, Troy Deaney, in his press release, referenced the controversial issue of haircuts: "I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header," he said. Clearly the subject of haircuts is one of those uppermost in his mind.
I do have an issue with most of the stupid cuts and hair styles that many players favour, and even at the best of times most of these guys look like absolute twats. Hairdressing is not considered to be an acceptable practice during the lockdown, and the indication is that haircuts are not likely to be officially available before July. So for players who might usually expect to get their hair "done" every day this is an awful period.
If football came back next week, what could we expect in the way of stupid hairstyles? Will things be normalized or more exagerrated, and will things have got better or worse in this respect.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 19, 2020 14:09:53 GMT
Why do people assume football clubs will use government testing. I would expect they would setup a system for themselves and pay for it. No need to take away from what government do. I do not believe the season should be voided. We've played too much of it. Stop it and award prizes / relegation. It's an insult to all of its voided. It makes what liverpool have done worth nothing. Bfb Given everything thats going on it is worth nothing.
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Post by ab61 on May 19, 2020 14:53:03 GMT
Stop it and award prizes / relegation. It's an insult to all of its voided. It makes what liverpool have done worth nothing.
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Void It 👍
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 19, 2020 15:07:30 GMT
6 positive tests from 748 in the PL.
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Post by werrington on May 19, 2020 15:11:09 GMT
6 positive tests from 748 in the PL. Quite a small amount in all honesty.....didn’t Germany have more?
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 19, 2020 15:16:27 GMT
6 positive tests from 748 in the PL. Quite a small amount in all honesty.....didn’t Germany have more? Six too many.
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