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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 10, 2020 0:01:26 GMT
Well we don't have to go back very far do we - the Mad Nath debacle. They admitted they got it wrong. How many times do you want them to say it? They've got it right with O'Neil, or so it seems. Pugs I fully understand the underlying sentiments of your post and to a great extent agree with such. We “collectively” have to move on for the benefit of all. However I hope you’ll agree that there’s still a level “smugness” by comment toward the supporters from the hierarchy (in particular TS) that doesn’t help to heal the wounds of relegation. Hopefully MON is the man who will deliver success (I think he is) and become a bridge between club and supporters which will allow both JC and TS to melt into the background (whilst keeping their gobs shut). Heres to a successful future.......I getting to old to miss out on another promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 0:05:54 GMT
I can assure you that there are plenty of members of this Forum, that have achieved some great things. I've thrown a kettle over a pub for a start. And that's the real quiz.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2020 0:20:28 GMT
No not necessarily and the fact they have said several times he didn't get a payrise of £155k. I'll give you one example a company I worked for relocated from London to Yorkshire, they rented and paid for a flat for the CEO it was disclosed as part of his remuneration package an increase of £30k but he didnt get an extra £30k. In scholes case it was mentioned as being something to do with pensions from memory. Sorry to be pedantic. My point though is that if was "something to do with pensions", why didn't the Note for Pension rise by £155k? There could a few reasons most likely to do with timing difference between payment and when the expense arises, for example if a company has a 31 march 2020 year and makes a payment for directors pension on the 25th april 2020 that wouldn't be included in the directors note at 31/3/20 (would go into 31/3/21 note) but if it related to services provided in year to 31/3/20 it would be accrued and would be in the pensions note figures. Pensions accounting is also quite complicated depending on the type of scheme too.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 10, 2020 0:24:19 GMT
Tony, who is accountable for the left-back situation over the last two or three years? TS: What’s the situation? Voice at the back: "Are you serious?"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 0:28:29 GMT
Sorry to be pedantic. My point though is that if was "something to do with pensions", why didn't the Note for Pension rise by £155k? There could a few reasons most likely to do with timing difference between payment and when the expense arises, for example if a company has a 31 march 2020 year and makes a payment for directors pension on the 25th april 2020 that wouldn't be included in the directors note at 31/3/20 (would go into 31/3/21 note) but if it related to services provided in year to 31/3/20 it would be accrued and would be in the pensions note figures. Pensions accounting is also quite complicated depending on the type of scheme too. Well I am just going to have to let this drop, but as far as I can see, timing differences do not make any difference to the fact that something is either "Pension" or "Remuneration". In the accounts that we are discussing, the "Remuneration" went up by £155k, not the "Pension".
The Club have said that the Remuneration did not increase, as it was Pension.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 1:47:58 GMT
Ok, now that the dust has settled. What will MON be thinking about the people that he is working with? I don't mean training staff or players - that pair of monkeys that sat there with him last night. MON strikes me as a pretty bright guy (unlike the monkeys). Is there any possibility that he doesn't think "who the fuck am I working with?" Is there any possible chance that if another club came after him, he wouldn't be off like a shot?
There was just too much shite thrown out last night to comment on really. What was the biggest pile? Well apparently the appointment of PFL showed ambition. That statement alone makes me believe that even if we stay up, it won't be for long. Forget all hopes of a return to the Prem.
As long as we remain a private company with "hands on" management from the owners, we are absolutely fucked.
Luckily for myself I am old enough to have seen some glory days with Waddo. The Macari days were fun.
Then came Pulis and Hughes.
I fear that days like those will be a long time coming again, if ever. Anyone that could appoint a moron like Jones, and stick with him for so long, really has shown that he isn't very good at what he is doing. But he stays at the helm.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 6:26:36 GMT
There could a few reasons most likely to do with timing difference between payment and when the expense arises, for example if a company has a 31 march 2020 year and makes a payment for directors pension on the 25th april 2020 that wouldn't be included in the directors note at 31/3/20 (would go into 31/3/21 note) but if it related to services provided in year to 31/3/20 it would be accrued and would be in the pensions note figures. Pensions accounting is also quite complicated depending on the type of scheme too. Well I am just going to have to let this drop, but as far as I can see, timing differences do not make any difference to the fact that something is either "Pension" or "Remuneration". In the accounts that we are discussing, the "Remuneration" went up by £155k, not the "Pension".
The Club have said that the Remuneration did not increase, as it was Pension.
To me the club's answer shows them up , for being what they are ... deliberately evasive . They have shelled out an extra 155 k for scholes and the exact breakdown ,of how much of that , is money now and how much of it is money paid into his pension pot for tomorrow , is neither here or nor there .The salient point is that he is getting another 155k JC answered a question , as to why the club don't have non executive directors , to oversee the role of himself and scholes , by saying ... because non executive directors might have a role to play in public companies , but we are a private company .It's our club ( mine / the families) and we will do what we want with it . I think Jon , just went off the plan there , and answered a question with honestly and with clarity . I think the reason Jon gave scholes an extra 155 k is because , it's his club and he will do what he wants with it.
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Post by werrington on Mar 10, 2020 6:40:48 GMT
Interesting about Afobe. The player was clearly happy to move and was enjoying a much better relationship with the fans at Ashton Gate than he was with us. Any clues as to who he is training with or WHY it won’t be a done deal as that was clearly the original intention? BM He’s continuing his rehab at Bristol where he will remain until the end of the season. He has a chance of being fit enough to play next month apparently. He then returns to us for preseason, unless Bristol wish to buy him. I think MON could get a tune out of Benik, he’s a good player at Championship level. Not arguing that mick but I’d doubt he’s rehabbing in Bristol as he’s our asset so our medical team will be overseeing him and his recovery not somebody else’s
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 10, 2020 6:51:37 GMT
So do ‘City’ have an option to buy at an agreed price that they have a right to exercise and we can’t cancel? BM Still a season long loan at this stage. There was no mention of an option to buy when he went there in August. www.bcfc.co.uk/teams/first-team-squad/40-benik-afobe/Loan with option to buy.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 10, 2020 6:53:46 GMT
He’s continuing his rehab at Bristol where he will remain until the end of the season. He has a chance of being fit enough to play next month apparently. He then returns to us for preseason, unless Bristol wish to buy him. I think MON could get a tune out of Benik, he’s a good player at Championship level. Not arguing that mick but I’d doubt he’s rehabbing in Bristol as he’s our asset so our medical team will be overseeing him and his recovery not somebody else’s www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/reunited-feels-good-how-long-3913104.ampHe’s back training with them.
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Post by werrington on Mar 10, 2020 6:56:57 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 10, 2020 7:54:30 GMT
They admitted they got it wrong. How many times do you want them to say it? They've got it right with O'Neil, or so it seems. Pugs I fully understand the underlying sentiments of your post and to a great extent agree with such. We “collectively” have to move on for the benefit of all. However I hope you’ll agree that there’s still a level “smugness” by comment toward the supporters from the hierarchy (in particular TS) that doesn’t help to heal the wounds of relegation. Hopefully MON is the man who will deliver success (I think he is) and become a bridge between club and supporters which will allow both JC and TS to melt into the background (whilst keeping their gobs shut). Heres to a successful future.......I getting to old to miss out on another promotion. Is there smugness? Not sure, they look and sound pretty contrite to me. How would you react to a bombardment of questions by fans who just can't seem to let anything go? I'm surprised the Butler Street stand wasn't mentioned! Like I say, it's very much Scholes out for me but Coates family love him. The manager is key for us - they've got it right this time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 8:30:07 GMT
He was shown on TV vs Fulham having a laugh with their fans in a Bristol C hat. Fair play to him after what he's been through but I don't think he'll be coming back. The move looks to have been good for him and if he can find peace down there and get on with his life I say good luck to him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2020 8:37:12 GMT
Can they afford £11M or are we looking at another dry bumming in the transfer market?
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2020 8:42:27 GMT
Pugs I fully understand the underlying sentiments of your post and to a great extent agree with such. We “collectively” have to move on for the benefit of all. However I hope you’ll agree that there’s still a level “smugness” by comment toward the supporters from the hierarchy (in particular TS) that doesn’t help to heal the wounds of relegation. Hopefully MON is the man who will deliver success (I think he is) and become a bridge between club and supporters which will allow both JC and TS to melt into the background (whilst keeping their gobs shut). Heres to a successful future.......I getting to old to miss out on another promotion. Is there smugness? Not sure, they look and sound pretty contrite to me. How would you react to a bombardment of questions by fans who just can't seem to let anything go? I'm surprised the Butler Street stand wasn't mentioned! Like I say, it's very much Scholes out for me but Coates family love him. The manager is key for us - they've got it right this time. I'm with Pugs Scholes, and not absolutely everything he does he is bad, needs replacing. Ideally with a director of football who is a from a football background & an off the pitch man who is skilled in customer service
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2020 8:43:33 GMT
Can they afford £11M or are we looking at another dry bumming in the transfer market? £11m? re FFP given he'll have had two years on his contract then we would be asking for about half that presumably?
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Post by neddy on Mar 10, 2020 8:47:15 GMT
Hmmmm what to think/conclude re last night...
1 They are clearly rattled by q’s regarding the past....feel they have apologised and accepted responsibility by keep funding up.
2 JC wants Scholes there.....end of!
3 They did say the player recruitment with MON was being reviewed....wait for the outcome I think he said?
4 The board think they can sort themselves and don’t need non exec challenge. That’s the one I disagree with them most.....it’s not a negative get the right one or two and it’s massively positive! Yes I was with a PLC but it was great and the Board decide in the end anyway. It’s not just football but the total running of the club. And infuriatingly they can well afford it! John C if you read this give it a go!
5 As someone has said I hope MON sees past the negatives last night and sticks with us....the moaning should stop now and concentrate on backing him and the team.
Just my two penneth!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 10, 2020 8:58:37 GMT
Can they afford £11M or are we looking at another dry bumming in the transfer market? £11m? re FFP given he'll have had two years on his contract then we would be asking for about half that presumably? I assume we didn't pay £11m up front as well. Although this is SCFC we're talking about so strike that comment. £11m it was then.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 10, 2020 9:06:08 GMT
Ok, now that the dust has settled. What will MON be thinking about the people that he is working with? I don't mean training staff or players - that pair of monkeys that sat there with him last night. MON strikes me as a pretty bright guy (unlike the monkeys). Is there any possibility that he doesn't think "who the fuck am I working with?" Is there any possible chance that if another club came after him, he wouldn't be off like a shot? There was just too much shite thrown out last night to comment on really. What was the biggest pile? Well apparently the appointment of PFL showed ambition. That statement alone makes me believe that even if we stay up, it won't be for long. Forget all hopes of a return to the Prem. As long as we remain a private company with "hands on" management from the owners, we are absolutely fucked. Luckily for myself I am old enough to have seen some glory days with Waddo. The Macari days were fun. Then came Pulis and Hughes. I fear that days like those will be a long time coming again, if ever. Anyone that could appoint a moron like Jones, and stick with him for so long, really has shown that he isn't very good at what he is doing. But he stays at the helm.
To be fair mate you would expect O'Neil is used to dealing with bluffers and chancers within football. If our own FA is anything to go by do you really think that the Irish FA is full of wise old football heads or total nincompoops in it for their own aggrandisement? And he flourished there despite them. He'll cope and may actually be the man to steer these numpties in the right direction.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 10, 2020 9:07:34 GMT
The answer to the left back question demonstrates the complete contempt scholes has to the fans. He could have answered it several different ways or even left it to MON to answer instead he gave that glib response.
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Post by neddy on Mar 10, 2020 9:08:41 GMT
The answer to the left back question demonstrates the complete contempt scholes has to the fans. He could have answered it several different ways or even left it to MON to answer instead he gave that glib response. I agree that did sound poor! He should reflect on that!
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Post by mamasgloves on Mar 10, 2020 9:13:29 GMT
Pugs I fully understand the underlying sentiments of your post and to a great extent agree with such. We “collectively” have to move on for the benefit of all. However I hope you’ll agree that there’s still a level “smugness” by comment toward the supporters from the hierarchy (in particular TS) that doesn’t help to heal the wounds of relegation. Hopefully MON is the man who will deliver success (I think he is) and become a bridge between club and supporters which will allow both JC and TS to melt into the background (whilst keeping their gobs shut). Heres to a successful future.......I getting to old to miss out on another promotion. Is there smugness? Not sure, they look and sound pretty contrite to me. How would you react to a bombardment of questions by fans who just can't seem to let anything go? I'm surprised the Butler Street stand wasn't mentioned! Like I say, it's very much Scholes out for me but Coates family love him. The manager is key for us - they've got it right this time. If the club showed even an inkling that they have learned something from all this then people wouldn't need to rake over history. The problems keep happening, case in point is the hiring of O'Neill - we've landed on our feet but that was through luck not judgement as he was seemingly 2nd if not 3rd choice, the 1st was a manager who they tried to get on the cheap that ended up with us being reported to the Football League. This is what bugs me so much about our fanbase, the acceptance of mediocrity and the fact that if everything is generally alright its a sin to dare question process and hold people to account. Scholes has shown himself to be completely useless and some just lap it up - you wonder why he is still here? You lot. Even now after the shambles of Jones and the lac of any recruitment function we are doing the exact same thing again by letting the manager decide on it's structure and personnel, its complete madness.
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 10, 2020 9:13:48 GMT
Michael O'Neill speaking to Tony Scholes after the Fan Forum
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Post by Absolution on Mar 10, 2020 9:14:08 GMT
The answer to the left back question demonstrates the complete contempt scholes has to the fans. He could have answered it several different ways or even left it to MON to answer instead he gave that glib response. MON took over answering the question to avoid further embarrassment.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 10, 2020 9:14:25 GMT
Can they afford £11M or are we looking at another dry bumming in the transfer market? £11m? re FFP given he'll have had two years on his contract then we would be asking for about half that presumably? He's a striker at his absolute peak age wise. Why on earth would we take a 50% hit?
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Post by mamasgloves on Mar 10, 2020 9:16:29 GMT
£11m? re FFP given he'll have had two years on his contract then we would be asking for about half that presumably? He's a striker at his absolute peak age wise. Why on earth would we take a 50% hit? Because we have a Chief Exec who went on record saying that paying an £18m signing to leave was good business
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 10, 2020 9:19:44 GMT
The one positive, apart from in O'Neill we have a gem, was it sounded like there will be a recruitment team revamp.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 10, 2020 9:22:05 GMT
The one positive, apart from in O'Neill we have a gem, was it sounded like there will be a recruitment team revamp. Yeah, good point. The current recruitment team is Tony and John. The new one will be John and Tony...
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Post by mamasgloves on Mar 10, 2020 9:23:01 GMT
The one positive, apart from in O'Neill we have a gem, was it sounded like there will be a recruitment team revamp. Not sure I agree mate, they said they would work with the manager to build it which is what they did with Jones and the bloke was sacked after about 4 months because the manager moved on. It's a club function for the manager, any manager, to work to. Again, it shows they have learned nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 9:59:19 GMT
The one positive, apart from in O'Neill we have a gem, was it sounded like there will be a recruitment team revamp. We were promised that 12 months ago. Similar questions last night were answered by bizarrely pointing at the U18s and how good they are at the moment, and... "Recruitment hasn’t been quite as good as we’d have liked and we are working with Michael (O'Neill) to come up with the right structure and team to get it right. "Bear with us on that one." Brilliant. Bear with us while we tap into another managers mind to see if he can help us out of a hole we have put ourselves in by doing exactly the same as we did with Mark Hughes, Gary Rowett and Nathan Jones. They have learned absolutely nothing. Where is the direction from the top down and if they don't have it, why are they blindly telling us the non exec director route they are taking, and keeping everything within the family is working when it clearly isn't and hangs on almost every word of any manager that could leave tomorrow?
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