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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2020 18:00:41 GMT
I'll give it three weeks before the fans are wading in. Looks a bit different and has a touch of flair about him. When he fills out a bit and gets more experience, will finally be that NZonzi replacement. He was totally ineffective nigh wank deeper. He looks like a number 10 or even a winger for now. A lot of learning to do to play deeper.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 7, 2020 18:00:48 GMT
He could possibly push Powell wide as he's done before bringing Clucas to replace Allen in the middle. Powell played wide today in a 4141. First half it was Clucas and Allen, second half it was Clucas and Oakley Boothe (who was a straight replacement for Allen). But as Rob said TOB definitely looked more like a number 10 than a number 8, he was far more effective when he moved further forward, he has completely different qualities to Allen. A 4231 would work with Powell on the left of the three and TOB as the number 10 but that would mean losing the DCM and Cousins playing next to Clucas in the 2 but would O'Neill be prepared to give up the DCM? I suppose it's a question he's going to have to answer when McClean returns anyway but then it'll not only be a question on whether to return to 4231 but whether Powell OR Oakley Boothe play as the number 10. Fair play, I didn't see the first half. I'd go for the 4231 option with Cousins and Clucas as the 2 in the middle.
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Post by southernish on Mar 7, 2020 18:01:47 GMT
Do we know if there is a buy-back clause?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2020 18:02:33 GMT
Pretty awful until he went forward but he’s a kid and learning so that’s fine. The game passed him when he was deeper and he looked completely lost. But going forward he came to life and the assist was wonderful. We can’t use him as one of the deeper midfielders but as an alternative to Powell then that looks like it will be a good use of him. I wonder if with Allen out it might be an opportunity for Sorenson to show why you love him so? Gotta say it sounded like he did alright in the game against United. Sorensen is the one I’d play if we’re playing the two in there. TOB showed good things today but he also showed a lot of bad. Which is fine. It’s where the coaches have to use him right and to coach him. You can tell he’s a very good footballer who can be useful for us. Just needs to learn.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 18:06:45 GMT
I wonder if with Allen out it might be an opportunity for Sorenson to show why you love him so? Gotta say it sounded like he did alright in the game against United. Sorensen is the one I’d play if we’re playing the two in there. TOB showed good things today but he also showed a lot of bad. Which is fine. It’s where the coaches have to use him right and to coach him. You can tell he’s a very good footballer who can be useful for us. Just needs to learn. Sounds like TOB certainly isn't a holding mid, I'm warming to the idea when you consider the lack of physicality in a midfield two of TOB and Thompson. Not that Sorenson is massively strong, but he'd atleast add some height to the midfield.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2020 18:11:21 GMT
Sorensen is the one I’d play if we’re playing the two in there. TOB showed good things today but he also showed a lot of bad. Which is fine. It’s where the coaches have to use him right and to coach him. You can tell he’s a very good footballer who can be useful for us. Just needs to learn. Sounds like TOB certainly isn't a holding mid, I'm warming to the idea when you consider the lack of physicality in a midfield two of TOB and Thompson. Not that Sorenson is massively strong, but he'd atleast add some height to the midfield. I mean first and foremost I think I’d go with Cousins if he’s fit because Sorensen is another one who I think needs a more defensive play by him. But for now based solely on today (so it’s harsh but that’s all’s I have) I wouldn’t trust TOB in there. He came to life with the ball in their box, he didn’t want it near ours. And again you can’t blame because of the circumstances but I’m just being honest with what I’ve seen today.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 7, 2020 18:12:41 GMT
Thought he did well once he got up to the pace, showed some nice touches, promising.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 18:19:04 GMT
He got up to speed and did well. His off the ball play is probably not as tenacious as Allen, but that move for the 5th goal is something that Joe simply cannot do with a football.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 7, 2020 18:22:47 GMT
Indeed and I'm a big believer that Cousins is shite. What a mess we're suddenly in. And I thought I was a pessimist Come on the chief exec has told you we had a good January what can Possibly be the risk in loaning out two international and one solid midfield player in the same window
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 7, 2020 18:26:37 GMT
Considering his only other pro football experience was one minute for Spurs in a League Cup tie in 2017, he was probably always going to grow into it - but he definitely did. After a very low-key first 25 minutes, he looked very promising in the last 15-20, and the skill for the goal was top drawer
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 7, 2020 18:30:34 GMT
Considering his only other pro football experience was one minute for Spurs in a League Cup tie in 2017, he was probably always going to grow into it - but he definitely did. After a very low-key first 25 minutes, he looked very promising in the last 15-20, and the skill for the goal was top drawer My spurs mate insists he was their best academy player and the one most likely to break into the 1st team until he got injured a couple of years ago. Apparently his best position was a box to box player in a midfield 2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 18:36:27 GMT
I think you're all being very very kind to his first 15 minutes, it was like playing with 10 men.
It was so important he had a good go at it to drive forward though, great assist.
I'm sure they'll sit him down and have a look to analyse where he needs to be more physical.
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Post by Stoke711 on Mar 7, 2020 18:46:18 GMT
Did a lot of sideways, backwards passing, went down easily but to be honest, probably would have got the fouls in the Prem. Grew into the game and looked better as the game went on. Great move for the assist, showed good composure, can't wait to see what he can with a good run of games behind him.
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Post by march4 on Mar 7, 2020 19:00:08 GMT
Attacking midfielder not one of the defensive variety.
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Post by stokesupporter on Mar 7, 2020 19:43:30 GMT
He was rather poor before told to move to a bit more advanced positions.. after that he was brilliant! Very promising, but defensive midfielder he isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 19:47:43 GMT
He grew into the game. Not easy to come on sometimes when your cruising as he would want to make a mark on the game when others are just happy to see it through. He’s certainly got potential but I’ll reserve judgement until he’s been tested
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 7, 2020 20:03:40 GMT
A 20 year old comes on at half time for his debut appearance, having only made one senior appearance for his previous club in the League Cup in the last two seasons.
SCFC say they watch a player 20 times before deciding to buy (?) but SCFC fans can make a judgement in 45 minutes, on a young player probably full of nerves.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 7, 2020 20:05:00 GMT
Looked lost for 10 minutes or so but once he got into the game he looked a good prospect
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Post by stokest5 on Mar 7, 2020 20:18:39 GMT
Looked ropey when he first came on but looked better when playing more advanced. I won’t go has far has some posters on here though and completely right him off and tell you his best position when only seeing him play 45 minutes of football.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2020 20:22:04 GMT
A 20 year old comes on at half time for his debut appearance, having only made one senior appearance for his previous club in the League Cup in the last two seasons. SCFC say they watch a player 20 times before deciding to buy (?) but SCFC fans can make a judgement in 45 minutes, on a young player probably full of nerves. People are going to judge him on that today though. We have to. And we need a midfielder now to replace Allen. Would I be happy to see him start the next game. No. Has he clearly got potential. Yes. No one has written him off as far as I can see.
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 7, 2020 20:34:44 GMT
A 20 year old comes on at half time for his debut appearance, having only made one senior appearance for his previous club in the League Cup in the last two seasons. SCFC say they watch a player 20 times before deciding to buy (?) but SCFC fans can make a judgement in 45 minutes, on a young player probably full of nerves. Clearly the club are using the wrong people to do the scouting
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Post by lordb on Mar 7, 2020 21:43:39 GMT
He could possibly push Powell wide as he's done before bringing Clucas to replace Allen in the middle. Powell played wide today in a 4141. First half it was Clucas and Allen, second half it was Clucas and Oakley Boothe (who was a straight replacement for Allen). But as Rob said TOB definitely looked more like a number 10 than a number 8, he was far more effective when he moved further forward, he has completely different qualities to Allen. A 4231 would work with Powell on the left of the three and TOB as the number 10 but that would mean losing the DCM and Cousins playing next to Clucas in the 2 but would O'Neill be prepared to give up the DCM? I suppose it's a question he's going to have to answer when McClean returns anyway but then it'll not only be a question on whether to return to 4231 but whether Powell OR Oakley Boothe play as the number 10. I think we're down to Cousins or Thompson as the replacement for Allen. I'd chuck Sorrensson into the mix.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 7, 2020 23:23:04 GMT
I think you're all being very very kind to his first 15 minutes, it was like playing with 10 men. It was so important he had a good go at it to drive forward though, great assist. I'm sure they'll sit him down and have a look to analyse where he needs to be more physical. Indeed. Was quite worried for the lad at the beginning as I was watching his every move and his FIRST touch of the ball was not until 9 minutes and 45 seconds in!!! Much better later on when he pushed forward. So pleased for him he got a really good assist at the end.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 7, 2020 23:31:46 GMT
Whatever his talent or potential I'd forgotten that he has signed as a Stoke player and is not another loanee, so as such we should all take an interest in his development and hope he does well.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Mar 8, 2020 0:31:07 GMT
Whatever his talent or potential I'd forgotten that he has signed as a Stoke player and is not another loanee, so as such we should all take an interest in his development and hope he does well.
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Post by potterfox1011 on Mar 8, 2020 0:38:26 GMT
god what do fans want of a 20 year old who showed great composeur on the ball.who else but powell would have had the talent and nerve to do that shi.my for the last goal.excelant debut cut the lad some slack
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Post by kronkie on Mar 8, 2020 6:50:37 GMT
Pretty awful until he went forward but he’s a kid and learning so that’s fine. The game passed him when he was deeper and he looked completely lost. But going forward he came to life and the assist was wonderful. We can’t use him as one of the deeper midfielders but as an alternative to Powell then that looks like it will be a good use of him. I wonder if with Allen out it might be an opportunity for Sorenson to show why you love him so? Gotta say it sounded like he did alright in the game against United. United, which one?? If you mean the manc one let's get it right, the SHIT please.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 8, 2020 7:54:13 GMT
From what I've seen of him his game is about running with the ball and then making a pass as he makes opposition players commit. He didn't do that until the 84th minute but it proved he can do it. Hopefully it's a confidence builder for him and he get comfortable playing his natural game & shine.
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Post by Ron on Mar 8, 2020 8:10:01 GMT
Promising but need to see him up against some quality rather than the worst side I’ve seen grace that pitch for a considerable amount of time. Looks like he could become a decent signing.
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Post by adi on Mar 8, 2020 8:52:35 GMT
A 20 year old comes on at half time for his debut appearance, having only made one senior appearance for his previous club in the League Cup in the last two seasons. SCFC say they watch a player 20 times before deciding to buy (?) but SCFC fans can make a judgement in 45 minutes, on a young player probably full of nerves. Probably because we’ve seen that method fail spectacularly.
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