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Post by fca47 on Mar 8, 2020 10:16:14 GMT
He's obviously more of an attacking midfielder, he does not go looking to win the ball, I would certainly not feel comfortable with him protecting our defence. He looks typical of the products of a lot of PL academies , has skill but thinks he will get fouls by going down, this is the championship, you just have to look at a lot of the challenges the ref thought were OK yesterday it is a different world down there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2020 10:23:08 GMT
He's obviously more of an attacking midfielder, he does not go looking to win the ball, I would certainly not feel comfortable with him protecting our defence. He looks typical of the products of a lot of PL academies , has skill but thinks he will get fouls by going down, this is the championship, you just have to look at a lot of the challenges the ref thought were OK yesterday it is a different world down there. Tbf I do think 2 out of the 3 should have been fouls. But as evidenced yesterday the refs in this league are awful. We should have had a penalty in the first few minutes when one of their players rugby tackled ours. How they contrived to not give a peno for it I do not know.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 8, 2020 10:26:55 GMT
Two or three good moves including an excellent assist for our fifth but for most of the time the game was passing him by. MON must like what he is seeing in training so hopefully there is plenty more to come from him.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 8, 2020 10:31:12 GMT
He's obviously more of an attacking midfielder, he does not go looking to win the ball, I would certainly not feel comfortable with him protecting our defence. He looks typical of the products of a lot of PL academies , has skill but thinks he will get fouls by going down, this is the championship, you just have to look at a lot of the challenges the ref thought were OK yesterday it is a different world down there. Tbf I do think 2 out of the 3 should have been fouls. But as evidenced yesterday the refs in this league are awful. We should have had a penalty in the first few minutes when one of their players rugby tackled ours. How they contrived to not give a peno for it I do not know. I find it refreshing that referees in this league don't blow for fouls following any minimal contact and let things 'go' more. Oakley - Boothe must have thrown himself to the ground 5 or 6 times in a 20 minute period. When he realised the ref wasn't buying it he cut it out and looked much better for it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2020 10:33:42 GMT
Tbf I do think 2 out of the 3 should have been fouls. But as evidenced yesterday the refs in this league are awful. We should have had a penalty in the first few minutes when one of their players rugby tackled ours. How they contrived to not give a peno for it I do not know. I find it refreshing that referees in this league don't blow for fouls following any minimal contact and let things 'go' more. Oakley - Boothe must have thrown himself to the ground 5 or 6 times in a 20 minute period. When he realised the ref wasn't buying it he cut it out and looked much better for it. I don’t find anything about them refreshing. They are absolutely crap and make the refs in the PL look competent. We had a few yesterday that he didn’t give fouls for that were and they should have had at least 5 players booked.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 8, 2020 10:38:00 GMT
I find it refreshing that referees in this league don't blow for fouls following any minimal contact and let things 'go' more. Oakley - Boothe must have thrown himself to the ground 5 or 6 times in a 20 minute period. When he realised the ref wasn't buying it he cut it out and looked much better for it. I don’t find anything about them refreshing. They are absolutely crap and make the refs in the PL look competent. We had a few yesterday that he didn’t give fouls for that were and they should have had at least 5 players booked. I'd have that ref yesterday over Mike Dean or Atkinson any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 12:31:56 GMT
I don’t find anything about them refreshing. They are absolutely crap and make the refs in the PL look competent. We had a few yesterday that he didn’t give fouls for that were and they should have had at least 5 players booked. I'd have that ref yesterday over Mike Dean or Atkinson any day of the week. He literally forgot Bruno was off the field for about 2 minutes...
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 8, 2020 12:33:58 GMT
I'd have that ref yesterday over Mike Dean or Atkinson any day of the week. He literally forgot Bruno was off the field for about 2 minutes... To be fair I forgot he was on the field for 88 minutes😉
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Post by Veritas on Mar 8, 2020 12:55:20 GMT
I thought he was awful one of the worst we have had all season, not biased just rubbish
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2020 13:00:54 GMT
I thought he was awful one of the worst we have had all season, not biased just rubbish Not only was he rubbish he was rubbish in spells. One minute he was giving everything to us the next he was letting them get away with murder and the next giving everything to them. Totally inconsistent and very poor. The fucking about over Bruno coming back on the pitch just typified his 'look at me' attitude.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 8, 2020 13:04:26 GMT
He's obviously more of an attacking midfielder, he does not go looking to win the ball, I would certainly not feel comfortable with him protecting our defence. He looks typical of the products of a lot of PL academies , has skill but thinks he will get fouls by going down, this is the championship, you just have to look at a lot of the challenges the ref thought were OK yesterday it is a different world down there. I thought the ref yesterday was particularly lenient with Hull. They did a hell of a lot of fouling because they were frustrated because they had so little of the ball, but the ref let alot go, that is not necessarily very typical in this league. Some refs wouldn't be the same. I agree he was also very inconsistent, it was like he got fed up with giving fouls for about 10 mins in the 2nd half and just let everything go.
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Post by skip on Mar 8, 2020 20:46:49 GMT
I thought he was awful one of the worst we have had all season, not biased just rubbish Not only was he rubbish he was rubbish in spells. One minute he was giving everything to us the next he was letting them get away with murder and the next giving everything to them. Totally inconsistent and very poor. The fucking about over Bruno coming back on the pitch just typified his 'look at me' attitude. Did you see him do the theatrical shoulder shrug for the cameras? A classic 'look at me I'm the ref' moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 20:56:34 GMT
Hes definitely a talent.
The game initially passed him by but let's cut him some slack, that was his first taste of proper footballer at this level.....probably ever!!
That bit of skill for the goal was brilliant. Its a certain type of player that will think about doing that type of thing and only a select few that will actually attempt it and pull it off so effortlessly.
It's a promising sign, but let's not rush him or get ahead of ourselves.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 8, 2020 21:00:26 GMT
I don’t find anything about them refreshing. They are absolutely crap and make the refs in the PL look competent. We had a few yesterday that he didn’t give fouls for that were and they should have had at least 5 players booked. I'd have that ref yesterday over Mike Dean or Atkinson any day of the week. And me, the only ones for me he got wrong are the cynical pull backs. Instant yellow for me regardless of how long has gone of how many fouls that player has or hasn't notched.
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Post by stokeykez on Mar 8, 2020 21:31:50 GMT
Hoping he can be inces replacement
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Mar 8, 2020 21:41:24 GMT
Hes definitely a talent. The game initially passed him by but let's cut him some slack, that was his first taste of proper footballer at this level.....probably ever!! That bit of skill for the goal was brilliant. Its a certain type of player that will think about doing that type of thing and only a select few that will actually attempt it and pull it off so effortlessly. It's a promising sign, but let's not rush him or get ahead of ourselves. Good assessment - I just hope the management of our club take a little bit more time than 45 minutes to come to firm conclusions about his potential and the way he is going to develop and what his ultimate best position will be. Some on here have already made up their minds .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2020 21:57:13 GMT
Not only was he rubbish he was rubbish in spells. One minute he was giving everything to us the next he was letting them get away with murder and the next giving everything to them. Totally inconsistent and very poor. The fucking about over Bruno coming back on the pitch just typified his 'look at me' attitude. Did you see him do the theatrical shoulder shrug for the cameras? A classic 'look at me I'm the ref' moment. No mate I didn’t see that. It was the way he made Bruno wait for yonks on the touch line and then go back off because he hadn’t specifically told him to come back on that put the tin hat on it. Despite it being quite clear the Lino had.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 8, 2020 22:15:37 GMT
Did you see him do the theatrical shoulder shrug for the cameras? A classic 'look at me I'm the ref' moment. No mate I didn’t see that. It was the way he made Bruno wait for yonks on the touch line and then go back off because he hadn’t specifically told him to come back on. Despite it being quite clear the Lino had. Whereas today Mike Dean gave a free kick that clearly wasn't a free kick that led to a goal. I can cope with a bit of fuckwittedry over a ten second delay to reintroduce a player following treatment but it boils my piss when refs in the premier league blow for a foul following minimal contact like that decision today in the Manc derby.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2020 22:21:40 GMT
No mate I didn’t see that. It was the way he made Bruno wait for yonks on the touch line and then go back off because he hadn’t specifically told him to come back on. Despite it being quite clear the Lino had. Whereas today Mike Dean gave a free kick that clearly wasn't a free kick that led to a goal. I can cope with a bit of fuckwittedry over a ten second delay to reintroduce a player following treatment but it boils my piss when refs in the premier league blow for a foul following minimal contact like that decision today in the Manc derby. Mate I’m in agreement on that. And it wasn’t just the Bruno pissing about, he was crap and totally inconsistent all game. At least the Prem refs are under massive TV scrutiny. These halfwits don’t give a shit because nobody ever takes them to task. And don’t get me on to the linesmen.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 8, 2020 22:37:33 GMT
Whereas today Mike Dean gave a free kick that clearly wasn't a free kick that led to a goal. I can cope with a bit of fuckwittedry over a ten second delay to reintroduce a player following treatment but it boils my piss when refs in the premier league blow for a foul following minimal contact like that decision today in the Manc derby. Mate I’m in agreement on that. And it wasn’t just the Bruno pissing about, he was crap and totally inconsistent all game. At least the Prem refs are under massive TV scrutiny. These halfwits don’t give a shit because nobody ever takes them to task. And don’t get me on to the linesmen. Posters will quite often slam refs in the Championship but we were victims of some terrible refereeing decisions in the Premier league. I personally prefer the Championship refs to premier league refs, Championship refs let games flow more and are less likely to blow every time a player goes down under an innocuous challenge. The TV scrutiny is probably a reason why Premier league refs blow for any contact and throw in VAR and they must be frightened of their own shadow.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 8, 2020 22:43:53 GMT
Mate I’m in agreement on that. And it wasn’t just the Bruno pissing about, he was crap and totally inconsistent all game. At least the Prem refs are under massive TV scrutiny. These halfwits don’t give a shit because nobody ever takes them to task. And don’t get me on to the linesmen. Posters will quite often slam refs in the Championship but we were victims of some terrible refereeing decisions in the Premier league. I personally prefer the Championship refs to premier league refs, Championship refs let games flow more and are less likely to blow every time a player goes down under an innocuous challenge. The TV scrutiny is probably a reason why Premier league refs blow for any contact and throw in VAR and they must be frightened of their own shadow. Ok mate. We seem to be hijacking this thread. I’ll just say I think they’re all crap and leave it at that. 😉
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 9, 2020 2:44:32 GMT
No mate I didn’t see that. It was the way he made Bruno wait for yonks on the touch line and then go back off because he hadn’t specifically told him to come back on. Despite it being quite clear the Lino had. Whereas today Mike Dean gave a free kick that clearly wasn't a free kick that led to a goal. I can cope with a bit of fuckwittedry over a ten second delay to reintroduce a player following treatment but it boils my piss when refs in the premier league blow for a foul following minimal contact like that decision today in the Manc derby. Dean was abysmal! The ultimate 'look at me ref' which is not a great thing when you get so much wrong! Citeh looked like the game was an inconvenience to them. Are they playing Real this week? The shit lived up to their name even though they won! Their league position is indicative of how poor the Prem is this season!
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Post by Godo on Mar 9, 2020 11:46:20 GMT
Looks technically gifted but not obviously a direct replacement for the role that Joe plays. Looked most comfortable in wider areas and away from the bustle and bustle of central mid so perhaps an option out wide??
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 9, 2020 12:10:00 GMT
Looks technically gifted but not obviously a direct replacement for the role that Joe plays. Looked most comfortable in wider areas and away from the bustle and bustle of central mid so perhaps an option out wide?? Immediately after the game I thought he looked a natural number 10 rather than a box to box midfielder. And I still think that but, like you, I wondered over the past 2 days whether he could play in a wide role. When MaClean is fit again there is little point in not keeping him on the left, but I do wonder if Tash could displace Ince on the right wing. You could argue that with Tash being right footed he wouldn't be a natural to cut in from the right and score - but as Ince has only scored 2 all season that's not a reason not to replace him with Tash. I thought he displayed enough skill in the final few minutes, once he moved to an attacking role, to suggest that he might create a lot more chances than Ince currently does. I don't know what he is like for pace but he'd probably make up for any limitations with the fact that his ball control and passing looks to be in a different league to that of Ince. In the final 5 minutes he put in a good cross from the right which wasn't converted and one from the left from which Powell scored. Worth a look methinks.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 9, 2020 12:18:41 GMT
He crossed with his left for the goal though John.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 9, 2020 12:26:32 GMT
He crossed with his left for the goal though John. True - but transfermarkt has him as naturally right footed. Hopefully he is able to pass well with either foot and his assist on Friday suggests he can. Passing and shooting are rather different, though, and I doubt whether he'll score a lot with his left - although it does look as though he is reasonably two footed - which puts him streets ahead of many of the players we have at the club. In any case, if he is to play a wide role, I would much rather he replaced Ince than MaClean, so if he can shoot with his left that would just be a bonus!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 9, 2020 12:37:51 GMT
Maybe he's quicker than Ince (not difficult) and able to get down the line and cross with his right. In all the footage I saw of him when he signed, he looked very much a central midfielder, picking it up relatively deep but not as a DM. In the Championship, he would do well to stay out of the hurly burly of the middle while he finds his feet, so perhaps a role as sub coming on wide is what he'll be used as. My point about his left foot was to illustrate that he wasn't afraid to use it. I can't see him getting too many minutes this season but he's young and has potential. Myself, until McClean is fit, I'd move Clucas out to the left of midfield, with Ince on the right and Cousins and Thompson both central with Powell in front of them both. I'd be happy with that. What about you?
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 9, 2020 13:10:11 GMT
Looked promising, but might struggle yet with the physicality of this league.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 9, 2020 13:53:04 GMT
Maybe he's quicker than Ince (not difficult) and able to get down the line and cross with his right. In all the footage I saw of him when he signed, he looked very much a central midfielder, picking it up relatively deep but not as a DM. In the Championship, he would do well to stay out of the hurly burly of the middle while he finds his feet, so perhaps a role as sub coming on wide is what he'll be used as. My point about his left foot was to illustrate that he wasn't afraid to use it. I can't see him getting too many minutes this season but he's young and has potential. Myself, until McClean is fit, I'd move Clucas out to the left of midfield, with Ince on the right and Cousins and Thompson both central with Powell in front of them both. I'd be happy with that. What about you? Yes, that would be as solid an option as we have given that MON favours experience whilst we are still in relegation danger. I'll be glad when MaClean is back though, as I think Clucas is less effective out wide - as is Powell to be honest. As far as TOB is concerned it would be nice to see him come on as a sub for Ince a few times in the next few weeks and get an idea of how he looks out wide.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 9, 2020 17:44:33 GMT
He's going to be a good 'un if looked after!
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