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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 28, 2022 6:51:29 GMT
Honestly, I'd chaulk Edwards in with Etebo and Bursik. More hope and hype than actual substance. I don't see what everyone else is clamoring for, each time I see them play I'm flabbergasted. You look at young Delap doing half cruyff turns mid match today and you see what Man City sees. When I look at the later three mentioned I laugh at this board calling them up and coming. Absolute nonsense Etebo would improve our midfield no end. If we can’t move him on for a chunk of his wages that would allow us to bring in a seriously decent player we should get him playing. He’s nothing like the other two when he gets a loan it’s always to a higher level. I really couldn’t give a shit what he wants if you want your wages you will play for them would be my stance. In theory what you propose would work, but back in reality where the rest of us reside, putting a player that doesn’t want to be here back into the side generally doesn’t work. Not only does the player often not put a proper shift in (training or matches), but their influence on the rest of the team is often a bigger issue that can see the whole atmosphere in the dressing room turn sour. It would be great if we could hold a player like this to a certain standard or they don’t don’t get paid, but we just can’t.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 28, 2022 6:59:19 GMT
Absolute nonsense Etebo would improve our midfield no end. If we can’t move him on for a chunk of his wages that would allow us to bring in a seriously decent player we should get him playing. He’s nothing like the other two when he gets a loan it’s always to a higher level. I really couldn’t give a shit what he wants if you want your wages you will play for them would be my stance. In theory what you propose would work, but back in reality where the rest of us reside, putting a player that doesn’t want to be here back into the side generally doesn’t work. Not only does the player often not put a proper shift in (training or matches), but their influence on the rest of the team is often a bigger issue that can see the whole atmosphere in the dressing room turn sour. It would be great if we could hold a player like this to a certain standard or they don’t don’t get paid, but we just can’t. The player has never shown the slightest suggestion of lowering his standards on the pitch. It would probably be in both parties interest for him to be playing regularly any idea he wouldn’t be putting a shift in when he needs to convince someone to give him his next contract is quite frankly for the birds. I wouldn’t expect us to be remotely interested in being in that auction for his next contract whatsoever unless we miraculously got promoted he’s a very good player who made consistently good performances in a Stoke shirt until MON turned up.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 28, 2022 9:38:42 GMT
Looking forward to a less clown shoe wearing, more sensible manager getting him back involved. We have Clarke there now for a flat back four. We have Wilmot, who can play there as back up (against less good players than Brereton, whose one of the best players in the league). It’s unlikely that we are going to drop Clarke in my opinion, unless he plays really poorly/is out for a long time. You need to keep big clubs happy for loans in the future. So, is he going to come here to be 2nd/3rd choice? What good does that do him? And what good does it do us to pay his wages for that? Edit: does anyone actually know what happened? Has he just gone on unpaid leave for NYRB? Surely a player can’t just cancel their loan contract unless both clubs agree to it? I don’t see why we would. Purely for his crossing ability, I'd have Edwards as backup to Clarke. Wilmot is not a RB and was atrocious yesterday. Edwards is infinitely better than Wilmot in that position. I'm getting the impression though his main issues are in his head. Going AWOL from New York and coming back to the UK for personal reasons suggests Tom's not in the best of places right now and needs to make a decision on where he wants his career to go. He has a golden opportunity to make an impression under Neil because in a back four, Tom has the ability to nail that RB position while Clarke is injured.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 9:46:34 GMT
Honestly, I'd chaulk Edwards in with Etebo and Bursik. More hope and hype than actual substance. I don't see what everyone else is clamoring for, each time I see them play I'm flabbergasted. You look at young Delap doing half cruyff turns mid match today and you see what Man City sees. When I look at the later three mentioned I laugh at this board calling them up and coming. Absolute nonsense Etebo would improve our midfield no end. If we can’t move him on for a chunk of his wages that would allow us to bring in a seriously decent player we should get him playing. He’s nothing like the other two when he gets a loan it’s always to a higher level. I really couldn’t give a shit what he wants if you want your wages you will play for them would be my stance. I think Etebos's a really good player and would love to see him back and given a chance. His attitude the issue the not his ability
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2022 9:50:44 GMT
Absolute nonsense Etebo would improve our midfield no end. If we can’t move him on for a chunk of his wages that would allow us to bring in a seriously decent player we should get him playing. He’s nothing like the other two when he gets a loan it’s always to a higher level. I really couldn’t give a shit what he wants if you want your wages you will play for them would be my stance. I think Etebos's a really good player and would love to see him back and given a chance. His attitude the issue the not his ability Not according to Leesandfordstoupe He was pushing to leave when Jones was here According to an ex player (& no fan of O'Neill) his efforts in training when O'Neill came in were "disgusting"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 9:55:11 GMT
I think Etebos's a really good player and would love to see him back and given a chance. His attitude the issue the not his ability Not according to Leesandfordstoupe He was pushing to leave when Jones was here According to an ex player (& no fan of O'Neill) his efforts in training when O'Neill came in were "disgusting" He can play, no doubt about that. Don't think for one second we'll see him play for us again though.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 28, 2022 16:42:08 GMT
We have Clarke there now for a flat back four. We have Wilmot, who can play there as back up (against less good players than Brereton, whose one of the best players in the league). It’s unlikely that we are going to drop Clarke in my opinion, unless he plays really poorly/is out for a long time. You need to keep big clubs happy for loans in the future. So, is he going to come here to be 2nd/3rd choice? What good does that do him? And what good does it do us to pay his wages for that? Edit: does anyone actually know what happened? Has he just gone on unpaid leave for NYRB? Surely a player can’t just cancel their loan contract unless both clubs agree to it? I don’t see why we would. www.onceametro.com/platform/amp/2022/7/30/23285611/tom-edwards-in-limbo-as-stoke-and-red-bulls-negotiate-terms-of-loan-dealThat doesn’t really make much sense though. They already had him on loan. How can we recall him because they haven’t purchased him when we only just sent him back?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 28, 2022 17:14:26 GMT
I think Etebos's a really good player and would love to see him back and given a chance. His attitude the issue the not his ability Not according to Leesandfordstoupe He was pushing to leave when Jones was here According to an ex player (& no fan of O'Neill) his efforts in training when O'Neill came in were "disgusting" What's not according to me? I think he's a really decent player, I know full well he'd already asked to leave before Jones was sacked yet he was still one of our most reliable performers and I've told you the time line between MON arriving Etebo returning from international duty and being sent to train with the under 23's was incredibly short with no time for any sustained lack of effort in training. So MON either took against him for reitterating his desire to leave or binned off a senior player to train with the under 23's within a week who could have been jaded returning from international duty, it happens sometimes they don't even come back as we know.
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Post by madnellie on Aug 28, 2022 17:17:09 GMT
That doesn’t really make much sense though. They already had him on loan. How can we recall him because they haven’t purchased him when we only just sent him back? It's all a bit weird isn't it?
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 28, 2022 17:21:33 GMT
That doesn’t really make much sense though. They already had him on loan. How can we recall him because they haven’t purchased him when we only just sent him back? It's all a bit weird isn't it? Yes, I just don’t understand it. Over here, there were some reports that it was Edwards who requested a move back for personal reasons. I feel like Struber confirmed as much as well. What I don’t understand is, after a loan has been confirmed, who pays his contract? Us? Then? No-one (unpaid leave)? It’s a very confusing situation to me.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 28, 2022 17:25:35 GMT
It's all a bit weird isn't it? Yes, I just don’t understand it. Over here, there were some reports that it was Edwards who requested a move back for personal reasons. I feel like Struber confirmed as much as well. What I don’t understand is, after a loan has been confirmed, who pays his contract? Us? Then? No-one (unpaid leave)? It’s a very confusing situation to me. So do we take it he's not in training in either location?
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Post by madnellie on Aug 28, 2022 17:28:20 GMT
Yes, I just don’t understand it. Over here, there were some reports that it was Edwards who requested a move back for personal reasons. I feel like Struber confirmed as much as well. What I don’t understand is, after a loan has been confirmed, who pays his contract? Us? Then? No-one (unpaid leave)? It’s a very confusing situation to me. So do we take it he's not in training in either location? That's how I'm reading it. We know he's not training with us and it appears he's not in New York either. Really odd.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 28, 2022 17:30:15 GMT
So do we take it he's not in training in either location? That's how I'm reading it. We know he's not training with us and it appears he's not in New York either. Really odd. Must be something like compassionate leave then.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 28, 2022 18:06:13 GMT
Apparently anyone who did not convince MON they were keen to play for him/Stoke was ruled out from consideration. MON inherited a huge squad and I imagine started his selection by ruling out those not 100% committed to the cause.
Maybe Edwards should asking for a meeting with his new boss in the morning? After Saturday Neil will be looking for a RB.
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 28, 2022 18:11:25 GMT
His only future is league 1 or2 , he really isn’t very good
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 28, 2022 18:22:36 GMT
Has anyone else been linked with Tom?
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 28, 2022 18:47:23 GMT
That's how I'm reading it. We know he's not training with us and it appears he's not in New York either. Really odd. Must be something like compassionate leave then. Yes, I imagine that’s the case. Though, Struber made it seem like he wasn’t likely heading back to NYRB, but I only caught snippets of the interview and it was a while ago now.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 28, 2022 19:47:31 GMT
His only future is league 1 or2 , he really isn’t very good I think that is very unfair. He hasn't played in the Championship for nearly 3 years, and when he did he was only a youngster. At 23 he can still improve with the right manager/coach and right attitude.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 28, 2022 19:59:35 GMT
Must be something like compassionate leave then. Yes, I imagine that’s the case. Though, Struber made it seem like he wasn’t likely heading back to NYRB, but I only caught snippets of the interview and it was a while ago now. In the Press Conference Struber was asked when Edwards would be returning, he replied that he couldn’t answer that because he didn’t know if or when Edwards might return, all he knew was that Edwards had presumably returned to the UK for compassionate reasons but with no expectations for when he might return ?
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 28, 2022 20:04:04 GMT
Absolute nonsense Etebo would improve our midfield no end. If we can’t move him on for a chunk of his wages that would allow us to bring in a seriously decent player we should get him playing. He’s nothing like the other two when he gets a loan it’s always to a higher level. I really couldn’t give a shit what he wants if you want your wages you will play for them would be my stance. I think Etebos's a really good player and would love to see him back and given a chance. His attitude the issue the not his ability No way would I have him back
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 28, 2022 20:16:18 GMT
Shame. At the end of Jones first season he was really progressing. We then spent £4m on a right back which must have felt like a right kick in the nuts.
I can’t comment on his behaviour/professionalism as it’s only been what I’ve read on here, but he did at least seem committed on the pitch.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 28, 2022 20:18:24 GMT
So do we take it he's not in training in either location? That's how I'm reading it. We know he's not training with us and it appears he's not in New York either. Really odd. Might be nothing to worry about, but I hope he’s Ok.
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 28, 2022 20:21:24 GMT
Edwards helping AN move stuff into the gaffer's office?
Edwards in the midst of personal grief? Having a weekend at Bernie's? Who knows, could be anything.
What's the guy in the bush or the other dude in the parking-lot wheelie bin say? Ominous that we haven't heard from those guys lately... (Maybe JC paid em off in pizza to clear out)
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2022 18:38:04 GMT
Edwards should be going to Barnsley, on loan. Will go right to wire. Any Callum Styles link to this, Chopper?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 1, 2022 19:56:52 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 1, 2022 19:58:24 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2022 19:59:15 GMT
Styles seems like exactly the sort of player we already have? Seems totally unnecessary?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 1, 2022 20:05:49 GMT
Styles seems like exactly the sort of player we already have? Seems totally unnecessary? We'll probably be in for him then!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2022 20:08:29 GMT
Styles seems like exactly the sort of player we already have? Seems totally unnecessary? We'll probably be in for him then! That was my thought too. More of an attacking sort of midfielder who can play on the wing or left wing back so I’m told. Even if Clucas went I don’t think we’d need him.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Sept 1, 2022 20:14:14 GMT
Styles seems like exactly the sort of player we already have? Seems totally unnecessary? We seem to do that a lot. We signed big physical midfielder in Laurent and not massive but very physical striker in Delap neither have any cover yet we have loads of players that all do the same thing.
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