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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2020 8:53:11 GMT
How on earth would I know him as a 'person' A £4M full back in this division should be the real deal, not half a job. He's generally pretty good. Disagree. Very poor defensively.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 16, 2020 8:54:56 GMT
Yes, I rather hope we get to see that tomorrow. I'm sure I read somewhere when he signed, that Brown has actually played at left back on a few occasions, as well as winger, wing back and striker. That should mean he should have the skill set to play at wing back - and he certainly has the pace for the job. He's a runner so going forward RWB should suit him No idea what his defensive nous is like thoughNor have I. But the fact that a previous manager has risked him at full back suggests he might be OK defensively. We'll just have to hope that it wasn't Nathan Jones who played him at full back, like he did with McClean!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2020 8:55:46 GMT
Or the question “but Billy McKinllay is a shit stirrer that a lot of people despise”, is this true?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 8:59:48 GMT
Or the question “but Billy McKinllay is a shit stirrer that a lot of people despise”, is this true? Go on...
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 16, 2020 9:00:44 GMT
You can dislike people without knowing them. Maybe how that person comes across? Like I said, you just never give him credit, regardless of what he does on the pitch. Your sour about £4m that you haven’t spent, on a player who is keeping an out of form local lad out of the team, that’s what it comes down to. Of course I haven't spent it . It doesn't make it anything other than an horrific piece of business though. A £4M full back in this division should be stand out, a real asset, someone most other clubs would walk over hot coals to get. Tommy Smith is none of these and after Leeds I wouldn't give two shits if he never played for us again. One thing is for certain, if Edwards or a couple of other younger players had done what he'd done at Leeds, they wouldn't have started the next game, that is a cast iron certainty. Handing a 5 year contract to Edwards and him not even being able to keep himself fit is a disgrace, especially at his age. You should be angry about that as well. That’s still money being chucked away. Smith has done nothing but act like a pro since he came in and deserves his place. As someone mentioned above, look at his stats. I’ve said it before, Edwards under Jones made some complete howlers. Leeds at home being a game he was utterly dreadful in as well. There are more. He’s the only player to make Ameobi look like a world beater.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2020 9:04:50 GMT
Of course I haven't spent it . It doesn't make it anything other than an horrific piece of business though. A £4M full back in this division should be stand out, a real asset, someone most other clubs would walk over hot coals to get. Tommy Smith is none of these and after Leeds I wouldn't give two shits if he never played for us again. One thing is for certain, if Edwards or a couple of other younger players had done what he'd done at Leeds, they wouldn't have started the next game, that is a cast iron certainty. Handing a 5 year contract to Edwards and him not even being able to keep himself fit is a disgrace, especially at his age. You should be angry about that as well. That’s still money being chucked away. Smith has done nothing but act like a pro since he came in and deserves his place. As someone mentioned above, look at his stats. I’ve said it before, Edwards under Jones made some complete howlers. Leeds at home being a game he was utterly dreadful in as well. There are more. He’s the only player to make Ameobi look like a world beater. Smith should have been dropped on at least three or four occasions since he joined but is judged on a completely different set of rules by a group of supporters who unfathomably seem to despise young local players.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 16, 2020 9:13:53 GMT
Handing a 5 year contract to Edwards and him not even being able to keep himself fit is a disgrace, especially at his age. You should be angry about that as well. That’s still money being chucked away. Smith has done nothing but act like a pro since he came in and deserves his place. As someone mentioned above, look at his stats. I’ve said it before, Edwards under Jones made some complete howlers. Leeds at home being a game he was utterly dreadful in as well. There are more. He’s the only player to make Ameobi look like a world beater. Smith should have been dropped on at least three or four occasions since he joined but is judged on a completely different set of rules by a group of supporters who unfathomably seem to despise young local players. I suspect most supporters want Edwards to do well but if he isn’t it doesn’t matter where he’s from. Seems he isn’t doing enough to put pressure on the current incumbent. Therefore we need to sign a right back/wing back to compete with Smith otherwise he will carry on getting away with his occasional below par performances.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2020 9:18:20 GMT
Or the question “but Billy McKinllay is a shit stirrer that a lot of people despise”, is this true? Go on... That’s it’s tbh. 😂
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 16, 2020 9:24:56 GMT
Did Angela offer the follow up question of 'but Michael, Tommy Smith is shit'? Sadly yeah but still better than Edwards 🤷♂️
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2020 9:34:13 GMT
Handing a 5 year contract to Edwards and him not even being able to keep himself fit is a disgrace, especially at his age. You should be angry about that as well. That’s still money being chucked away. Smith has done nothing but act like a pro since he came in and deserves his place. As someone mentioned above, look at his stats. I’ve said it before, Edwards under Jones made some complete howlers. Leeds at home being a game he was utterly dreadful in as well. There are more. He’s the only player to make Ameobi look like a world beater. Smith should have been dropped on at least three or four occasions since he joined but is judged on a completely different set of rules by a group of supporters who unfathomably seem to despise young local players. The fact that Smith wasn't dropped after those howlers should tell you all you need to know about Edwards.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 16, 2020 9:38:50 GMT
Handing a 5 year contract to Edwards and him not even being able to keep himself fit is a disgrace, especially at his age. You should be angry about that as well. That’s still money being chucked away. Smith has done nothing but act like a pro since he came in and deserves his place. As someone mentioned above, look at his stats. I’ve said it before, Edwards under Jones made some complete howlers. Leeds at home being a game he was utterly dreadful in as well. There are more. He’s the only player to make Ameobi look like a world beater. Smith should have been dropped on at least three or four occasions since he joined but is judged on a completely different set of rules by a group of supporters who unfathomably seem to despise young local players. I don’t care where he’s from, or how old he is, I don’t despise him, or any of our squad for that matter. I just think he could have handled himself much better, that’s all. I just think it’s wrong to slate Smith at every opportunity and never give him any credit for anything.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 16, 2020 9:41:53 GMT
Tom Edwards future at Stoke? I think it's pretty clear that whilst Michael O'Neil is here, he doesn't have one.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2020 9:44:03 GMT
Serious question. If we were to sell Edwards and Smith this window, what do we think the transfer fee for each would be?
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Post by datguy on Sept 16, 2020 9:44:32 GMT
I think Smith is more likely to put a quality ball into the box, but beyond that, surely Edwards’ characteristics are much more suited to wing back than Smith?
Smith’s not got the pace nor the attacking willingness to get forward enough imo. Ideally you need a player that will take a few risks when going forward knowing the rest of the 5 at the back has them covered, but I don’t think Smith offers that. Too much of a safe player for me. That’s probably what MON likes though tbh.
I’m fairly surprised at MON’s words though. Personally thought Tom was one of the brighter ones in pre-season. What’s going on in training and behind the scenes for him to not be rated? Odd one.
Loan just doesn’t work though does it? Especially for us. From a selfish point of view, who do we have that can cover at RB if Tom goes out on loan?
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 16, 2020 9:46:09 GMT
Handing a 5 year contract to Edwards and him not even being able to keep himself fit is a disgrace, especially at his age. You should be angry about that as well. That’s still money being chucked away. Smith has done nothing but act like a pro since he came in and deserves his place. As someone mentioned above, look at his stats. I’ve said it before, Edwards under Jones made some complete howlers. Leeds at home being a game he was utterly dreadful in as well. There are more. He’s the only player to make Ameobi look like a world beater. Smith should have been dropped on at least three or four occasions since he joined but is judged on a completely different set of rules by a group of supporters who unfathomably seem to despise young local players. Is that what you honestly believe? I want Tyrese to play over most of our senior players, Collins should certainly be ahead of most too - criticising Edwards isn't a dislike for local youth it's just that he really isn't that good and like it or not he's not a patch on Smith
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2020 9:47:42 GMT
Smith should have been dropped on at least three or four occasions since he joined but is judged on a completely different set of rules by a group of supporters who unfathomably seem to despise young local players. The fact that Smith wasn't dropped after those howlers should tell you all you need to know about Edwards. 😂course it does or it just shows the manager is a hypocrite?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:49:05 GMT
Serious question. If we were to sell Edwards and Smith this window, what do we think the transfer fee for each would be? Transfer fee? Never heard of that phrase. Is it like a loan?
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Post by upthefud on Sept 16, 2020 9:51:36 GMT
Serious question. If we were to sell Edwards and Smith this window, what do we think the transfer fee for each would be? Given the economic downturn: Smith £2.75m, Edwards £300k
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2020 9:52:14 GMT
Serious question. If we were to sell Edwards and Smith this window, what do we think the transfer fee for each would be? As a rough estimate based on past form and current value I'd probably say Edwards would be worth around a quarter of what Smith is worth.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 16, 2020 9:53:02 GMT
Yup, Brown & Tymon as R & L WBs vs Wolves would be a very useful experiment imo.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2020 9:53:08 GMT
The fact that Smith wasn't dropped after those howlers should tell you all you need to know about Edwards. 😂course it does or it just shows the manager is a hypocrite? It shows how shite Edwards is imo.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2020 9:53:08 GMT
Serious question. If we were to sell Edwards and Smith this window, what do we think the transfer fee for each would be? Smith £2.75m,
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Post by upthefud on Sept 16, 2020 9:53:35 GMT
The fact that Smith wasn't dropped after those howlers should tell you all you need to know about Edwards. 😂course it does or it just shows the manager is a hypocrite? Manager just dropped POTS who he loves. He raved about Afobe but sent him out. Honestly think MON has the least ‘favourites’ out any manager we’ve had in the past two decades at least
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2020 9:55:24 GMT
😂course it does or it just shows the manager is a hypocrite? Manager just dropped POTS who he loves. He raved about Afobe but sent him out. Honestly think MON has the least ‘favourites’ out any manager we’ve had in the past two decades at least We shall see. Something stinks about Afobe though. The McClean one was a nice surprise but he is garbage.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 16, 2020 9:55:57 GMT
I think Smith is more likely to put a quality ball into the box, but beyond that, surely Edwards’ characteristics are much more suited to wing back than Smith? Smith’s not got the pace nor the attacking willingness to get forward enough imo. Ideally you need a player that will take a few risks when going forward knowing the rest of the 5 at the back has them covered, but I don’t think Smith offers that. Too much of a safe player for me. That’s probably what MON likes though tbh. I’m fairly surprised at MON’s words though. Personally thought Tom was one of the brighter ones in pre-season. What’s going on in training and behind the scenes for him to not be rated? Odd one. Loan just doesn’t work though does it? Especially for us. From a selfish point of view, who do we have that can cover at RB if Tom goes out on loan? More likely is a bit of an understatement Smith's attacking play is his biggest strength, his wilingness to get forward at every opportunity and overlap is why he was second in assists last season. Edwards is every inch the safe player who rarely ventures into the final third, let alone take a man on to get there with the ball at his feet
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 16, 2020 9:56:26 GMT
Smith - premier league experience, I think captain of a promoted side and over 200 games under his belt.
Edwards - couple of decent games for a struggling championship team and quite obviously believes the hype a few supporters blow up his arse.
Tough choice
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2020 9:58:01 GMT
I think Smith is more likely to put a quality ball into the box, but beyond that, surely Edwards’ characteristics are much more suited to wing back than Smith? Smith’s not got the pace nor the attacking willingness to get forward enough imo. Ideally you need a player that will take a few risks when going forward knowing the rest of the 5 at the back has them covered, but I don’t think Smith offers that. Too much of a safe player for me. That’s probably what MON likes though tbh. I’m fairly surprised at MON’s words though. Personally thought Tom was one of the brighter ones in pre-season. What’s going on in training and behind the scenes for him to not be rated? Odd one. Loan just doesn’t work though does it? Especially for us. From a selfish point of view, who do we have that can cover at RB if Tom goes out on loan? More likely is a bit of an understatement Smith's attacking play is his biggest strength, his wilingness to get forward at every opportunity and overlap is why he was second in assists last season. Edwards is every inch the safe player who rarely ventures into the final third, let alone take a man on to get there with the ball at his feet 😂😂😂utter rot
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 9:58:35 GMT
If the player, Tom Edwards, cannot work out himself what more he has to do to get into the first team picture, it's the manager's job to help him, coach him better, and give him some advice and encouragement occasionally. I don't hear O'Neill talking about what he or his coaches do in that regard.
O'Neill, being old school, likes to shame the younger players in public, something he would never do about McClean, Smith, or Powell, even when it's much needed. He must believe it's an approach that works in the 21st century, but having chosen that method, if the player does not improve it reflects on the manager as well.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 16, 2020 9:59:41 GMT
Manager just dropped POTS who he loves. He raved about Afobe but sent him out. Honestly think MON has the least ‘favourites’ out any manager we’ve had in the past two decades at least We shall see. Something stinks about Afobe though. The McClean one was a nice surprise but he is garbage. "Something stinks about Afobe though." Meaning? The deal? The way MoN treated him?
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Post by femark on Sept 16, 2020 10:00:30 GMT
Handing a 5 year contract to Edwards and him not even being able to keep himself fit is a disgrace, especially at his age. You should be angry about that as well. That’s still money being chucked away. Smith has done nothing but act like a pro since he came in and deserves his place. As someone mentioned above, look at his stats. I’ve said it before, Edwards under Jones made some complete howlers. Leeds at home being a game he was utterly dreadful in as well. There are more. He’s the only player to make Ameobi look like a world beater. Smith should have been dropped on at least three or four occasions since he joined but is judged on a completely different set of rules by a group of supporters who unfathomably seem to despise young local players. I'd suggest it's the opposite in your case. "The young stoke lad deserves a game because he's young and from Stoke". Smith has played much better than Edwards since they've both been here.
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