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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 9, 2020 18:03:11 GMT
You've missed the name of one person from the 'transfer team' still unfathomably employed by the club in your final sentence. There is no indication that we need' to sell Campbell at all and even if we do, for once, we hold all the cards. £10M would be gross negligence. It is convenient to blame Scholes but Rowett and Jones were both given control over signings by the owners to persuade them to come, the £15 million write off we have to cover is down to the managers not the CEO. The fraud is on nigh on a million quid a year, that's not for sharpening pencils and counting paper clips. He is ultimately responsible for both the development and protection of the club, two areas in which he has quite patently failed.
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Post by miggoscfc on Sept 9, 2020 18:09:42 GMT
It is convenient to blame Scholes but Rowett and Jones were both given control over signings by the owners to persuade them to come, the £15 million write off we have to cover is down to the managers not the CEO. The fraud is on nigh on a million quid a year, that's not for sharpening pencils and counting paper clips. He is ultimately responsible for both the development and protection of the club, two areas in which he has quite patently failed. Your arguing the same point the collective WE have fucked up, you cant blame manager or CEO the club have consistantly said its a group effort where the manager has final say on yes or no so whether its the CEO doing silly financial deals or the manager picking the wrong type of player they have both fucked up. If anything the person at the top of the tree is to blame for not holding them to account but at the same time I want the chairman supporting his team with the outlay and finance to deliver the staffs plan.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 9, 2020 18:43:52 GMT
As is mentioned above we don’t know how the deal he signed is structured. There may be a trigger clause that comes into play should a confirmed bid come in for him Never would Scholes negotiate a contract that means the club miss out on potential huge profits.....................oh of course I was forgetting Shaq Yeh we should have just said no and missed out on a class player instead
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 9, 2020 20:12:33 GMT
The fraud is on nigh on a million quid a year, that's not for sharpening pencils and counting paper clips. He is ultimately responsible for both the development and protection of the club, two areas in which he has quite patently failed. Your arguing the same point the collective WE have fucked up, you cant blame manager or CEO the club have consistantly said its a group effort where the manager has final say on yes or no so whether its the CEO doing silly financial deals or the manager picking the wrong type of player they have both fucked up. If anything the person at the top of the tree is to blame for not holding them to account but at the same time I want the chairman supporting his team with the outlay and finance to deliver the staffs plan. Agree but 5 managers and a technical director have been held to account with their jobs the chief executive has not .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 10, 2020 9:27:24 GMT
Your arguing the same point the collective WE have fucked up, you cant blame manager or CEO the club have consistantly said its a group effort where the manager has final say on yes or no so whether its the CEO doing silly financial deals or the manager picking the wrong type of player they have both fucked up. If anything the person at the top of the tree is to blame for not holding them to account but at the same time I want the chairman supporting his team with the outlay and finance to deliver the staffs plan. Agree but 5 managers and a technical director have been held to account with their jobs the chief executive has not . You know absolutly nothing of what goes on behind the scenes, there's other ways to hold people accountable other than sacking them.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2020 9:37:21 GMT
Agree but 5 managers and a technical director have been held to account with their jobs the chief executive has not . You know absolutly nothing of what goes on behind the scenes, there's other ways to hold people accountable other than sacking them. Giving him a pay rise is seemingly one of the ways the club chose.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 10, 2020 9:43:51 GMT
I think one story about Scholes does give an insight into what a little man he is.
They flew him out to meet Qique Sanchez Flores for the managers job a few years ago. After one meeting with our Tone he quickly dropped his application, when it seemed he was destined to become our manager - we ended up with Paul Lambert hahaha.
Also seeing how he talks on the meet the supporters night - he has absolutely no gravitas for the role of CEO of a Premier League football club.
Hes nothing more than a pencil pusher and YES man with very little power. However with what little "power" he has within the club he is a complete failure re: transfers and players contracts, matchday experience for supporters, generating external revenues such as sponsorship.
There are many facets of the club that are neolithic compared to other clubs of similar size. I cant think of ONE thing that Scholes has done well for Stoke
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Post by werrington on Sept 10, 2020 10:11:53 GMT
I think one story about Scholes does give an insight into what a little man he is. They flew him out to meet Qique Sanchez Flores for the managers job a few years ago. After one meeting with our Tone he quickly dropped his application, when it seemed he was destined to become our manager - we ended up with Paul Lambert hahaha. Also seeing how he talks on the meet the supporters night - he has absolutely no gravitas for the role of CEO of a Premier League football club. Hes nothing more than a pencil pusher and YES man with very little power. However with what little "power" he has within the club he is a complete failure re: transfers and players contracts, matchday experience for supporters, generating external revenues such as sponsorship. There are many facets of the club that are neolithic compared to other clubs of similar size. I cant think of ONE thing that Scholes has done well for Stoke That’s just not true at all mate sportwitness.co.uk/stoke-asked-sign-e20m-espanyol-player-get-qsf-manager-wanted-much/https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7qb18y/alan_nixon_on_qsf_to_stoke/
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 10, 2020 10:26:13 GMT
I think one story about Scholes does give an insight into what a little man he is. They flew him out to meet Qique Sanchez Flores for the managers job a few years ago. After one meeting with our Tone he quickly dropped his application, when it seemed he was destined to become our manager - we ended up with Paul Lambert hahaha. Also seeing how he talks on the meet the supporters night - he has absolutely no gravitas for the role of CEO of a Premier League football club. Hes nothing more than a pencil pusher and YES man with very little power. However with what little "power" he has within the club he is a complete failure re: transfers and players contracts, matchday experience for supporters, generating external revenues such as sponsorship. There are many facets of the club that are neolithic compared to other clubs of similar size. I cant think of ONE thing that Scholes has done well for Stoke That’s just not true at all sportwitness.co.uk/stoke-asked-sign-e20m-espanyol-player-get-qsf-manager-wanted-much/https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/7qb18y/alan_nixon_on_qsf_to_stoke/ Truth isn't really that important to thread mate otherwise you wouldn't see the same old garbage re managers, players and their contracts at least this poster does criticise him for some things that are at least partially in his control like matchday experience and sponsorship. The rest of it just reminds me of all the time some supporters would tell you how fat Bjarni was even though he was pretty much the same height and weight as James O'Connor......
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 10, 2020 10:42:35 GMT
I think one story about Scholes does give an insight into what a little man he is. They flew him out to meet Qique Sanchez Flores for the managers job a few years ago. After one meeting with our Tone he quickly dropped his application, when it seemed he was destined to become our manager - we ended up with Paul Lambert hahaha. Also seeing how he talks on the meet the supporters night - he has absolutely no gravitas for the role of CEO of a Premier League football club. Hes nothing more than a pencil pusher and YES man with very little power. However with what little "power" he has within the club he is a complete failure re: transfers and players contracts, matchday experience for supporters, generating external revenues such as sponsorship. There are many facets of the club that are neolithic compared to other clubs of similar size. I cant think of ONE thing that Scholes has done well for Stoke Do we do badly on commercial and sponsorship revenues? I thought we were pretty successful when you take into account our supporter base? The half season tickets seem to be an example of pretty impressive management in my view
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 10, 2020 11:44:01 GMT
You know absolutly nothing of what goes on behind the scenes, there's other ways to hold people accountable other than sacking them. Giving him a pay rise is seemingly one of the ways the club chose. Thats up to Coates its his money and he's got more information than anyone whether he deserves it or not, most of the critisisum he gets is based on absolutly nothing with no insight into what goes on and who does what.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 10, 2020 11:45:47 GMT
I think one story about Scholes does give an insight into what a little man he is. They flew him out to meet Qique Sanchez Flores for the managers job a few years ago. After one meeting with our Tone he quickly dropped his application, when it seemed he was destined to become our manager - we ended up with Paul Lambert hahaha.
Also seeing how he talks on the meet the supporters night - he has absolutely no gravitas for the role of CEO of a Premier League football club. Hes nothing more than a pencil pusher and YES man with very little power. However with what little "power" he has within the club he is a complete failure re: transfers and players contracts, matchday experience for supporters, generating external revenues such as sponsorship. There are many facets of the club that are neolithic compared to other clubs of similar size. I cant think of ONE thing that Scholes has done well for Stoke Guess work again then or were you at the meeting or spoke to Flores yourself after?
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Post by abcd1234 on Sept 10, 2020 12:10:26 GMT
My opinion is that if he wanted to go to Bournemouth he would've gone in January. I dont see any pluses to go to Bournemouth. He wanted consistency in terms of his game time at Stoke and he has got that with MON. Him and MON have a good relationship and going to Bournemouth could again holt is progression if he doesnt get played. Its a big risk go there for him and it isnt like theyre any better than us at the moment and their season could easily go tits up.
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Post by abcd1234 on Sept 10, 2020 12:15:49 GMT
I think one story about Scholes does give an insight into what a little man he is. They flew him out to meet Qique Sanchez Flores for the managers job a few years ago. After one meeting with our Tone he quickly dropped his application, when it seemed he was destined to become our manager - we ended up with Paul Lambert hahaha. Also seeing how he talks on the meet the supporters night - he has absolutely no gravitas for the role of CEO of a Premier League football club. Hes nothing more than a pencil pusher and YES man with very little power. However with what little "power" he has within the club he is a complete failure re: transfers and players contracts, matchday experience for supporters, generating external revenues such as sponsorship. There are many facets of the club that are neolithic compared to other clubs of similar size. I cant think of ONE thing that Scholes has done well for Stoke Well if youre going to criticise him for gettig Lambert, surely you have to give him credit for helping to secure MON? I agree with some of your statement but the first paragraph is a wild guess of what you would like to think happened.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2020 13:20:19 GMT
Giving him a pay rise is seemingly one of the ways the club chose. Thats up to Coates its his money and he's got more information than anyone whether he deserves it or not, most of the critisisum he gets is based on absolutly nothing with no insight into what goes on and who does what. Well there's one big insight really isn't there.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 10, 2020 16:23:57 GMT
You are right on one hand, but look at it from the other side. If they did sign Campbell, how would any valuation fit in with the fact they've just sold Callum Wilson - a supposed proven PL player with a roughly 1 in 3 record for Bournemouth, at 28 and in his prime, for just 20M? Ollie Watkins is going for 10M more for example. They'd look at it from their point of view and value Campbell at half of Wilson's value. Would the saving on wages balance out Wilsons fee a bit, he must have been on a decent wage. 100k if Football manager is to be believed (before any relegation clauses)
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 10, 2020 18:23:37 GMT
If Campbell stayed and scored 15, 25 plus goals next season, how much will he be worth then?
Methinks if he played most games next season, he will score more than Vokes Gregory and Brown combined.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 10, 2020 18:35:25 GMT
I think one story about Scholes does give an insight into what a little man he is. They flew him out to meet Qique Sanchez Flores for the managers job a few years ago. After one meeting with our Tone he quickly dropped his application, when it seemed he was destined to become our manager - we ended up with Paul Lambert hahaha.
Also seeing how he talks on the meet the supporters night - he has absolutely no gravitas for the role of CEO of a Premier League football club. Hes nothing more than a pencil pusher and YES man with very little power. However with what little "power" he has within the club he is a complete failure re: transfers and players contracts, matchday experience for supporters, generating external revenues such as sponsorship. There are many facets of the club that are neolithic compared to other clubs of similar size. I cant think of ONE thing that Scholes has done well for Stoke Guess work again then or were you at the meeting or spoke to Flores yourself after? I can’t comment on the accuracy of the original post but there is no guess work in the following . 1 Scholes is the ceo of stoke city And has been for the period which has seen 2 stoke city build debts of over £150m despite £100ms of annual income with a catastrophic fall in income we are currently a unviable business from being in the top 30 richest clubs in the world 3 During his tenure shareholders have invested that £150m in the team which has today a value of less than half That or worse 4 we have lost our place at the top table and the £100s is mom a year income that goes with it despite unprecedented financial support 5 Our income has declined by over 50% while we are stuck with a number of the dud investments due to contract structure agreed with those investments 6 We have made a series of disastrous managerial appointments 7 Oue current manager is unable to access the shareholder support available due to the risk of breeching FFP which he himself has said is an issue . . Am Issue created by loss of income and wreckless unstructured investment strategy and process following relegation and before 8 Our customer numbers were in serious I decline ahead of the lockdown witnessed by reported decline in gate receipts 9 We have suffered a food standards Issue into food hygiene standards in the stadium 10 We have signed a player with a know drug ban within the previous 12 months for £12m , we sold two full backs for les than £2m each who are still playing regularly in the premier league two or more years later a position maid see as key issue in the teams failure and have compounded that by buying and loaning inferior players for more money in the same Position . 11 A series of respected ex players , other managers and oit own have complained about a embedded culture Of sustained failure 12 4 Managers , one technical director and one assistant to the ceo have left Those are not reported or imagined outputs of a alleged meeting in Barcelona right or wrong ,they are what’s happened under the leadership of this chief executive .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 19:13:09 GMT
If Campbell stayed and scored 15, 25 plus goals next season, how much will he be worth then? Methinks if he played most games next season, he will score more than Vokes Gregory and Brown combined. Not going to happen though. Hes a good striker but lots to learn and improve on
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 10, 2020 19:46:33 GMT
Never would Scholes negotiate a contract that means the club miss out on potential huge profits.....................oh of course I was forgetting Shaq Yeh we should have just said no and missed out on a class player instead How much did we make on him ? how much did we lose in wages and signing on fees etc. wasn't it Scholes who released the ambition statement when we signed that waster Jesse, how much did one of the richest clubs in the World pay us for Cheapo Motel ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 10, 2020 20:00:43 GMT
Yeh we should have just said no and missed out on a class player instead How much did we make on him ? how much did we lose in wages and signing on fees etc. wasn't it Scholes who released the ambition statement when we signed that waster Jesse, how much did one of the richest clubs in the World pay us for Cheapo Motel ? Not sure how much we made tbh, how much is staying in the Prem worth for a season?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 11, 2020 8:44:17 GMT
Big Kev seems happy
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 11:08:03 GMT
As mentioned by OS on the Millwall thread, interesting comments from MON on Campbell in the Radio Stoke sports headlines.
-------- Michael O'Neill thinks Tyrese Campbell needs to discover his pre-lockdown form if he's to be a regular starter this season. He scored 9 times - but didn't start the last 3 games.
"We were very pleased with Tyrese for a lot of the time we were at the club. I think, post lockdown, he ended up not being a starting player in the team and he has to address that. There are aspects of his game that he still needs to improve on - but he's got immense talent, we all know that and he's done well in pre-season" ---------
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 12:19:42 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Sept 12, 2020 12:26:22 GMT
That's exactly the message you want it hear.
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Post by Jimm on Sept 12, 2020 12:35:21 GMT
He wont be too happy to be on the bench today
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 12, 2020 12:36:42 GMT
I think he's just trying to give him a push, he can be a bit hit and miss but he is 20 after all.
O'Neill is the first manager who's trusted him in the big games and I am sure the manager and Campbell have a shared understanding as to where Campbell is now and where he wants him to be. We have a good manager now who will communicate clearly with the players.
Yes, I'm refusing to believe the club are preparing the ground to cash in on him this window. That would be really stupid in my view. He could be worth a huge amount of money with a good season under his belt
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 12:42:22 GMT
If he does leave (and I hope he doesn't and don't think he will), doubt his old man will be pushing him to Bournemouth, based on this
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Post by spongebobflathead on Sept 12, 2020 17:44:06 GMT
I’m more and more convinced Campbell just won’t fit into a Michael O’Neil team
he’s really poor with his back to goal and hold up play is really poor, that’s generally how O’Neil always wants to feed the forwards, if he continues with Campbell he will have to play out wide (where he’s been excellent Tbf )
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Post by Veritas on Sept 12, 2020 17:54:54 GMT
Campbell was actually pretty ineffectual today and his first touch in particular was poor. Hopefully just a one off but many more games like that and Brown will be starting instead of him.
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