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Post by Block 22 on Sept 9, 2020 10:32:43 GMT
Let’s cut to the chase here If all this has substance and Tyrese Campbell played for Bournemouth in a similar scenario they’d be asking a lot more than £10m for him Of that there’s no doubt You are right on one hand, but look at it from the other side. If they did sign Campbell, how would any valuation fit in with the fact they've just sold Callum Wilson - a supposed proven PL player with a roughly 1 in 3 record for Bournemouth, at 28 and in his prime, for just 20M? Ollie Watkins is going for 10M more for example. They'd look at it from their point of view and value Campbell at half of Wilson's value. Callum Wilson that's 28 and in 2 years time has little to no resale value. Also has a terrible injury record and glass knees. Tyrese is worth 15M minimum. I'd want 20M to even consider a sale.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:33:56 GMT
You are right on one hand, but look at it from the other side. If they did sign Campbell, how would any valuation fit in with the fact they've just sold Callum Wilson - a supposed proven PL player with a roughly 1 in 3 record for Bournemouth, at 28 and in his prime, for just 20M? Ollie Watkins is going for 10M more for example. They'd look at it from their point of view and value Campbell at half of Wilson's value. Callum Wilson that's 28 and in 2 years time has little to no resale value. Also has a terrible injury record and glass knees. Tyrese is worth 15M minimum. I'd want 20M to even consider a sale. I agree with you, but trying to look at it through their eyes etc.
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Post by werrington on Sept 9, 2020 10:35:12 GMT
Let’s cut to the chase here If all this has substance and Tyrese Campbell played for Bournemouth in a similar scenario they’d be asking a lot more than £10m for him Of that there’s no doubt You are right on one hand, but look at it from the other side. If they did sign Campbell, how would any valuation fit in with the fact they've just sold Callum Wilson - a supposed proven PL player with a roughly 1 in 3 record for Bournemouth, at 28 and in his prime, for just 20M? Ollie Watkins is going for 10M more for example. They'd look at it from their point of view and value Campbell at half of Wilson's value. www.sportinglife.com/football/news/bees-complete-toney-deal/183790League 1 player mate We have to set the bar accordingly
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 9, 2020 10:36:19 GMT
Regardless of how often MON will start Campbell we would be incredibly reckless to sell him to a rival for anything other than silly money and by that I mean more than £20 million. We have him on a new contract with, as far as I am aware no buy out clause. Can you imagine if Brown scores 2 or 3 goals for us while Tyrese scores 20 for Bournemouth? Perhaps I could forgive selling him to a Premier League team but Bournemouth? We want to make life as difficult as possible for them. I'm sure O'Neill didn't persuade him to stay in January to sell him now even if he will make a lot more money. Who's to say the Campbells would want to go to Bournemouth? At least Stoke appear to have, stabilised but no one knows how Bournemouth will fair and a team with a ground capacity of 12000 is not a step up from Stoke. I suspect Brown is just one of those players who can fill many roles which O'Neill likes.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 9, 2020 10:42:18 GMT
You are right on one hand, but look at it from the other side. If they did sign Campbell, how would any valuation fit in with the fact they've just sold Callum Wilson - a supposed proven PL player with a roughly 1 in 3 record for Bournemouth, at 28 and in his prime, for just 20M? Ollie Watkins is going for 10M more for example. They'd look at it from their point of view and value Campbell at half of Wilson's value. www.sportinglife.com/football/news/bees-complete-toney-deal/183790League 1 player mate We have to set the bar accordingly Toney has scored 40 goals in 76 games for Peterborough. Yes, its Div 1 but that is a proven goalscorer Campbell has scored 9 goals for Stoke in 40 games. Yes, there are other aspects to his game, but that is not a track record, it is a sign of potential. I'd be amazed if Campbell could attract anything over £10m, but you never know. My main concern is, we need more players with pace, not less!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 9, 2020 10:44:25 GMT
This doesnt make any sense.
IF we keep Campbell and he scores 20 goals this season (which he should do based on form) then a) we are more likely to get promoted and b) his value will double.
Next season we have no more parachute payments, so we will have to sell if we dont get promoted. We need to keep this asset for a rainy day if we are still in the Champ next season.
Cue Scholes accepting 10M now......
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Post by werrington on Sept 9, 2020 10:46:26 GMT
Toney has scored 40 goals in 76 games for Peterborough. Yes, its Div 1 but that is a proven goalscorer Campbell has scored 9 goals for Stoke in 40 games. Yes, there are other aspects to his game, but that is not a track record, it is a sign of potential. He’s been in the bench for many of those Chris Greenacre scored for fun until he stepped up ....the point us nobody knows so we should ask the going rate which is a lot more than £10m It’s all hypothetical of course as it’s probably a load of bolllocks story
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 9, 2020 10:47:18 GMT
Toney has scored 40 goals in 76 games for Peterborough. Yes, its Div 1 but that is a proven goalscorer Campbell has scored 9 goals for Stoke in 40 games. Yes, there are other aspects to his game, but that is not a track record, it is a sign of potential. He’s been in the bench for many of those Chris Greenacre scored for fun until he stepped up ....the point us nobody knows so we should ask the going rate which is a lot more than £10m It’s all hypothetical of course as it’s probably a load of bolllocks story I hope it is
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Post by thehoof on Sept 9, 2020 10:49:24 GMT
If we were to sell Campbell for only £10m, then whoever handles transfers should be publicly horse whipped. Amazing how an unsubstatiated newspaper item sends this forum into a semblance of meltdown. Is it because there is little tittle-tattle about the club/the potential arrival of a pacy young 'un/the opportunity to have a go at the club's officials over an event that hasn't happened? Does the paragraph not start “If..” or do you have selective word recognition difficulty? When you look at current transfer values that have been paid for Championship full backs, and the amount of money that Bournemouth have squandered on the likes of Solanke and I’ve, do you think that £10m is an adequate sum for Campbell IF he is sold. One thing is an actual fact though- our recent history of handling transfers has been nothing short of a complete waste of money- in terms of Value For Money and subsequent realised losses, a total shambles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 10:52:51 GMT
You are right on one hand, but look at it from the other side. If they did sign Campbell, how would any valuation fit in with the fact they've just sold Callum Wilson - a supposed proven PL player with a roughly 1 in 3 record for Bournemouth, at 28 and in his prime, for just 20M? Ollie Watkins is going for 10M more for example. They'd look at it from their point of view and value Campbell at half of Wilson's value. www.sportinglife.com/football/news/bees-complete-toney-deal/183790League 1 player mate We have to set the bar accordingly I don't disagree and personally wouldn't sell him, but i'm just trying to look at it from the other side. To sell a player and for the value we want we need a buyer who is prepared to pay the higher price. If we have made the decision to sell Campbell (different argument), we can't just stamp our feet and say we want fee X because player Y went for fee Z. The buying team will obviously have their own agenda and you meet in the middle to reach a compromise. What doesn't help us is a number of things - namely the fat we are carrying still dating back to the Hughes era combined with FFP and the fact we are having to get rid of a number of players on loan and/or for low fees (amongst others). We can't then turn around and say we want a comparative over inflated fee for another player. The precedent has been set. If as a club we want to extract more value out of the market then in my opinion we need a new CEO at the top. One who is more dynamic and frankly, one that understands the game more. That's a longer term goal for any football club (if there is a determination at the top to make that change..) and it certainly doesn't help us now.
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 9, 2020 10:53:03 GMT
Toney has scored 40 goals in 76 games for Peterborough. Yes, its Div 1 but that is a proven goalscorer Campbell has scored 9 goals for Stoke in 40 games. Yes, there are other aspects to his game, but that is not a track record, it is a sign of potential. I'd be amazed if Campbell could attract anything over £10m, but you never know. My main concern is, we need more players with pace, not less! Campbell’s goals per minutes / start would probably translate to roughly 20 over a full season though? And that’s in a team that was beyond awful for the first half of the season. I think we forget how good he is sometimes and we’d be lucky to find anyone that can match his goal output within our budget.
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 9, 2020 10:58:30 GMT
As is mentioned above we don’t know how the deal he signed is structured. There may be a trigger clause that comes into play should a confirmed bid come in for him
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Sept 9, 2020 11:01:20 GMT
How many on here would accept a 20 million bid for him? I don’t think we should be selling him tbh but 20m would obviously see us sell and I don’t think we could argue with that. I would be surprised if his contract doesn't have a release fee in it and I would be amazed if that fee was more than £10 million. This could well be out of the club's hands. But I don’t think it should be for much less and should definitely start at 15 with add ons making it 20+. What worries me is if MON doesn’t rate him. That’s tremendously bad judgement.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 9, 2020 11:05:48 GMT
As is mentioned above we don’t know how the deal he signed is structured. There may be a trigger clause that comes into play should a confirmed bid come in for him I'd be surprised if one is in his contract that it would allow the potential of sale to a Championship rival. But who knows?
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 9, 2020 11:17:37 GMT
I've heard stories that you're full of shit, not sure how true it is though. Makes a change from your Mrs been full of me though 👍 Wow your original...My mrs is 30 stone, she’d snap your little knob it two.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 9, 2020 11:18:37 GMT
Toney has scored 40 goals in 76 games for Peterborough. Yes, its Div 1 but that is a proven goalscorer Campbell has scored 9 goals for Stoke in 40 games. Yes, there are other aspects to his game, but that is not a track record, it is a sign of potential. I'd be amazed if Campbell could attract anything over £10m, but you never know. My main concern is, we need more players with pace, not less! Campbell’s goals per minutes / start would probably translate to roughly 20 over a full season though? And that’s in a team that was beyond awful for the first half of the season. I think we forget how good he is sometimes and we’d be lucky to find anyone that can match his goal output within our budget. Don't get me wrong Im a big fan of Campbell, and I think it will be a disaster to let him go, but until someone actually scores 20 goals in a season there are just potential and that is purely hypothetical. Being able to maintain that record through a season is a different kettle of fish ( and yes I personally think he is capable)
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Post by wrighter on Sept 9, 2020 11:19:17 GMT
I would rather we raised a couple of £million for Ince and Butland. id be happy with a couple of quid !! buy one, get one free.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 9, 2020 11:23:01 GMT
As is mentioned above we don’t know how the deal he signed is structured. There may be a trigger clause that comes into play should a confirmed bid come in for him Never would Scholes negotiate a contract that means the club miss out on potential huge profits.....................oh of course I was forgetting Shaq
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Post by werrington on Sept 9, 2020 11:23:54 GMT
As is mentioned above we don’t know how the deal he signed is structured. There may be a trigger clause that comes into play should a confirmed bid come in for him Never would Scholes negotiate a contract that means the club miss out on potential huge profits.....................oh of course I was forgetting Shaq Not this shaqiri nonsense again 🤷♂️ It’s only been pointed out on countless occasions
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 9, 2020 12:44:11 GMT
Never would Scholes negotiate a contract that means the club miss out on potential huge profits.....................oh of course I was forgetting Shaq Not this shaqiri nonsense again 🤷♂️ It’s only been pointed out on countless occasions Indeed and the fact is if Shaqiri wasn't £15m or whatever Liverpool wouldn't have been interested and we could have been left with another bomb squad member we couldn't sell out on loan for the next 3 or 4 years.
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 9, 2020 12:52:25 GMT
If a premier league club came in for him then i'd wish him luck and let him go. Bournemouth is a backwards step for him in my opinion.
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Post by datguy on Sept 9, 2020 13:47:30 GMT
I'd keep him and it would be a huge shame to see him go.
But if someone offers £15m for him, it would be hard to say no wouldn't it?
Anyway - Bournemouth will play the waiting game. We have to sell someone if we're spending around £2m on Jacob Brown.
Good luck getting money for Butland and/or Ince would be my opening negotiation if I was Bournemouth...
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Post by Veritas on Sept 9, 2020 13:50:09 GMT
I'd keep him and it would be a huge shame to see him go. But if someone offers £15m for him, it would be hard to say no wouldn't it? Anyway - Bournemouth will play the waiting game. We have to sell someone if we're spending around £2m on Jacob Brown. Good luck getting money for Butland and/or Ince would be my opening negotiation if I was Bournemouth... Etebo's wages will cover the cost of bringing Brown in.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 9, 2020 14:34:43 GMT
I'd keep him and it would be a huge shame to see him go. But if someone offers £15m for him, it would be hard to say no wouldn't it? Anyway - Bournemouth will play the waiting game. We have to sell someone if we're spending around £2m on Jacob Brown. Good luck getting money for Butland and/or Ince would be my opening negotiation if I was Bournemouth... Etebo's wages will cover the cost of bringing Brown in. It said in the Sentinel that there was a loan fee for Etebo as well - so wages saved plus loan fee goes a long way towards paying for Brown.
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 9, 2020 14:37:50 GMT
Campbell’s goals per minutes / start would probably translate to roughly 20 over a full season though? And that’s in a team that was beyond awful for the first half of the season. I think we forget how good he is sometimes and we’d be lucky to find anyone that can match his goal output within our budget. Don't get me wrong Im a big fan of Campbell, and I think it will be a disaster to let him go, but until someone actually scores 20 goals in a season there are just potential and that is purely hypothetical. Being able to maintain that record through a season is a different kettle of fish ( and yes I personally think he is capable) Very true, but there aren’t many 20 year olds knocking around in England with better records than Campbell’s. Brewster was hyped as the best striker of his generation and the next big thing but still has less senior goals than Campbell. If you were to ask me who I’d pick in his age bracket ahead of him I think I’d struggle to come up with many names that are realistic signings for us - hence I’d do just about everything we need to do keep him!
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Post by jeycov on Sept 9, 2020 14:40:00 GMT
Regardless of how often MON will start Campbell we would be incredibly reckless to sell him to a rival for anything other than silly money and by that I mean more than £20 million. We have him on a new contract with, as far as I am aware no buy out clause. Can you imagine if Brown scores 2 or 3 goals for us while Tyrese scores 20 for Bournemouth? Perhaps I could forgive selling him to a Premier League team but Bournemouth? We want to make life as difficult as possible for them. I'm sure O'Neill didn't persuade him to stay in January to sell him now even if he will make a lot more money. Whose to say the Campbells would want to go to Bournemouth? At least Stoke appear to have, stabilised but no one knows how Bournemouth will fair and a team with a ground capacity of 12000 is not a step up from Stoke. I suspect Brown is just one of those players who can fill many roles which O'Neill likes. I’m not expecting either to be playing 90 minutes all of time with quite a busy fixtures schedule Mix and match, playing alongside more experienced players, some times together, having both keeps our options open as well as providing some healthy competition for game time
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 9, 2020 14:55:05 GMT
maybe MON has given up on Ince or he sees him playing left-wing. Then it would be Jacob Brown and Campbell for that right-wing position. As they are both strikers/wingers maybe he wants 2 similar players to make his system work? Thats all I can think of to be honest, but of course Brown could simply be a replacement for Campbell.
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Post by biglad180 on Sept 9, 2020 15:52:58 GMT
i would be very surprised if we let him go, he is the 20 goal a season man we need if we have any chance of a top 6 finnish, peter does not need the dough so i think it will be a no go,
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 9, 2020 17:36:58 GMT
25m starting bid , if he scores 10-15 this season
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 9, 2020 17:43:21 GMT
Somebody give Mr Nixon a prod to see if he has heard anything.
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