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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 14:25:13 GMT
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Post by Northy on Oct 6, 2023 14:46:34 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 6, 2023 14:50:04 GMT
I'm not a Tory and I'm not Labour but I don't feel the need to denigrate either of them them on everything they do just to prove my credentials. That's a pretty poor comment from you, I actually thought you were better than that, absolutely no need to start with the (unfounded) personal jibes, I wouldn't do it to you. I (and millions of other people) have strong, passionate views on what has taken place here, you have an alternative view, which is absolutely fine but please don't attempt to belittle OUR views with such mocking remarks. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 15:01:28 GMT
That's a pretty poor comment from you, I actually thought you were better than that, absolutely no need to start with the (unfounded) personal jibes, I wouldn't do it to you. I (and millions of other people) have strong, passionate views on what has taken place here, you have an alternative view, which is absolutely fine but please don't attempt to belittle OUR views with such mocking remarks. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. Absolutely pathetic. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2023 15:03:02 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away And its a 30 min drive 😆 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2023 15:27:52 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away In fact I bet a decent cyclist could better 1 hour 10 mins wonder 🤔 |
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Post by Northy on Oct 6, 2023 15:35:34 GMT
That Britain one is the one we get on the Chester to Manchester line through Northwich, 1 train an hour and it takes 1 hour 10 minutes to get from Northwich to Manchester 35 miles away In fact I bet a decent cyclist could better 1 hour 10 mins wonder 🤔 Probably. This happened to the station in April 2021, the roof and ticket office collapsed during the daytime, they are now finally rebuilding it to how it was previously, no upgrades, the Chester direction platform has no lift or disabled platform, you have to go to the end of the platform and push them across the tracks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-57472416 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 6, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
What am I missing here .. just how can the Hs2 line between London and Brum knock off 30 mins of the journey time from Manchester to London?
Or is this just more Tory gaslighting?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 6, 2023 15:58:40 GMT
In fairness the UK will have plenty of pointy trains as the HS2 fleet remains on order AFAIK, but they will spend a lot of their time trundling at much lower speeds. A bit like a Ferrari around Hanley. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 6, 2023 20:00:34 GMT
In fairness the UK will have plenty of pointy trains as the HS2 fleet remains on order AFAIK, but they will spend a lot of their time trundling at much lower speeds. A bit like a Ferrari around Hanley. Unfortunately those new trains won't run on our old network unless they're re engineered. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 7, 2023 7:16:54 GMT
In fairness the UK will have plenty of pointy trains as the HS2 fleet remains on order AFAIK, but they will spend a lot of their time trundling at much lower speeds. A bit like a Ferrari around Hanley. Unfortunately those new trains won't run on our old network unless they're re engineered. Certainly the first batch should be compatible with the classic network. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HS2_rolling_stock#:~:text=The%20trains%20will%20be%20based,1%2C312%20ft%204%20in)%20train. I understand the DFT is now trying to renegotiate the contract with Alstom for fewer trains. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 7, 2023 7:26:54 GMT
Two different types, that's covered it. Ta. I remember travelling on the HS1 in the new stock being bounced all over the place on the old track, terrible experience but as soon as it got into the tunnel and out the other side it was stunning. Even did the stand a coin on it's edge thing on the table going full tilt. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 7, 2023 9:05:56 GMT
Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. Absolutely pathetic. Are you saying you didn't selectively quote me to misrepresent my views to another poster? Because that is exactly what you did - and then you took the hump because I pointed out what you did. Pathetic indeed. |
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 7, 2023 10:32:08 GMT
What am I missing here .. just how can the Hs2 line between London and Brum knock off 30 mins of the journey time from Manchester to London? Or is this just more Tory gaslighting? The Manchester to London train doesn’t go through Birmingham- unless it means trains on the current line can travel faster after hs2. Like most things politicians say it’s just a pointless soundbite |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 7, 2023 13:06:32 GMT
Are you saying you didn't selectively quote me to misrepresent my views to another poster? Because that is exactly what you did - and then you took the hump because I pointed out what you did. Pathetic indeed. I'm not going to accuse you of blatantly lying, I'm just going to assume that you have an extremely poor memory ... 1. Here is the quote of yours that I highlighted, one that you actually replied to, without any histrionics from you about me quoting you out of context or attempting to wrongfully portray you as pro Tory or anti Labour. The reason that you didn't, was because it was a perfectly legitimate quote for me to highlight and question to ask about it.
They are putting the money directly into the hoped for spin offs because they will generate more value per pound invested. Hmmm ... you genuinely believe that's going to happen then? I can't believe just how easily some people can be placated, after everything that's taken place. Hmmm ... you genuinely believe that's going to happen then? I can't believe just how easily some people can be placated, after everything that's taken place. It may or may not happen. The point is at least it might happen whereas carry on with HS2 it definitely won't happen. At least a Labour government will have some money to use once the Tories are ousted and, despite my reservations about Starmer's Labour, there's a good chance they will do something constructive with it. Scrapping HS2 is the least crap of 2 crap options. And fair play to Sunak for making the call. 2. You later said that the Tories were never going to level up the North, which I agreed with and I said that I then found it strange that you were extolling the virtues of putting money directly into the hoped spin offs, to me, it seemed a contradiction to what you had said earlier. The Tories were never going to level up the North - that's a given. Sunak is just the fall guy finally admitting that yet another Boris Johnson lie was in fact another Boris Johnson lie. After Johnson and Truss the Tories actually have a couple of adults in charge in Sunak and Hunt making sound financial decisions after years of mismanagement. I want the Tories out but you are just political point scoring here - the pair of them are making the right decision for the right reason and credit to them. Political point scoring? Jesus wept, this is about as political a discussion as you can get. And yes you're right, the Tories were never going to level up the North, that's why it makes it so surprising that you were exalting plans for a redistribution of funds to other infracturce plans for the North, yesterday.They've already started rowing back on promises they announced just 24 hours ago FFS. They don't deserve any credit whatsoever. 3. Micky Maestro (who later admitted he hadn't read the thread) in reply to my post above, said that he thought we were talking about something else, I merely replied to him by posting the exact same (this is very important) quote that we had been discussing (the one that previously, you had had absolutely no issue with). I think he means if Labour get in they will spend some money in the North. How I read it anyway. They are putting the money directly into the hoped for spin offs because they will generate more value per pound invested. 4. You then accused me of selectively quoting you, when we had already had been discussing your quote without any issues from you. You then went on to suggest that the only reason I held my views about HS2 was because I felt the need to denigrate the Tory's in order to prove my credentials. Which I thought was an extremely poor comment from you, indeed I had come to expect better from you as a poster and didn't expect you to make personal jibes that were untrue. Nice bit of selective quoting - you've missed out all the stuff I said about Labour having money to spend now that Tories have stopped draining the public coffers on a white elephant. I'm not a Tory and I'm not Labour but I don't feel the need to denigrate either of them them on everything they do just to prove my credentials. That's a pretty poor comment from you, I actually thought you were better than that, absolutely no need to start with the (unfounded) personal jibes, I wouldn't do it to you. I (and millions of other people) have strong, passionate views on what has taken place here, you have an alternative view, which is absolutely fine but please don't attempt to belittle OUR views with such mocking remarks. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. 5. You then suggested I had implied that you were pro Tory and anti Labour, which was completely untrue and that I was upset for you claiming that I was point scoring, which was again untrue, I had taken offense to you suggesting that the only reason I held my views on HS2 was because I needed to 'prove my credentials'. And quite frankly, I found your post, pathetic. Apologise to me for selectively quoting my posts to imply I was pro Tory and anti Labour and I will apologise to you for claiming you were point scoring. Absolutely pathetic. And that's where we are, that's what actually happened (it's all there in black and white, I've missed nothing out).
I hope the above clears everything up but please, if there is anything else you are still unsure about, just give me a shout.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 7, 2023 13:11:48 GMT
What am I missing here .. just how can the Hs2 line between London and Brum knock off 30 mins of the journey time from Manchester to London? Or is this just more Tory gaslighting? The Manchester to London train doesn’t go through Birmingham- unless it means trains on the current line can travel faster after hs2. Like most things politicians say it’s just a pointless soundbite
Exactly mate.
Either he doesn't realise that the Manchester to London line doesn't go through Birmingham (which would be extremely worrying in itself) or he's flat out lying because he assumes that his target audience doesn't know that either.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 7, 2023 17:57:52 GMT
The Manchester to London train doesn’t go through Birmingham- unless it means trains on the current line can travel faster after hs2. Like most things politicians say it’s just a pointless soundbite
Exactly mate.
Either he doesn't realise that the Manchester to London line doesn't go through Birmingham (which would be extremely worrying in itself) or he's flat out lying because he assumes that his target audience doesn't know that either.
The Manchester trains will run on HS2 , avoiding Birmingham and joining the old route at Handsacre. Even so the claim of London_Manchester timings being cut by 30 mins is a lie. If HS2 had continued to Crewe (Phase 2A), it was only going to cut 24 mins to Manchester. With Phase 1 (London-Handsacre) the expectation was about 15 mins reduction. Someone should ask the liar how he expects to cut 30 mins in an interview. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Speed_2#To_other_stationsAnd his Manchester to Bradford timing promise is nonsense as well.... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 9, 2023 18:44:07 GMT
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 9, 2023 19:39:36 GMT
So the section of his speech where he said multiple times "will" in relation to the delivery of the HS2 replacement projects , and the pathetic Tory membership swooned and cheered, was a string of lies which has been trashed after 5 days. What a patronising piece of shit the Tories have inflicted on us as PM this time. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 9, 2023 20:40:53 GMT
He genuinely thinks we're all just straw munching yokels who take our ferrets for a walk and don't have the actual brain capacity to remember what he promised us just last week! |
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Post by scfc1863 on Jun 12, 2024 17:03:04 GMT
Nothing posted on this thread since last October and with an election looming I'd imagine that the opposition parties might have something to say about the colossal cost of the project.
The scheme's executive chair told MP's in January that the estimated cost was around £66 billion.
Since then, the government has agreed to the building of the 4.5 mile tunnel from Old Oak Common to Euston, Whitehall is expected to release over £1bn in taxpayer subsidy for the work.
The use of taxpayer money would contradict a pledge by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to bring in private developers to fund the project.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 12, 2024 17:12:59 GMT
Nothing posted on this thread since last October and with an election looming I'd imagine that the opposition parties might have something to say about the colossal cost of the project. The scheme's executive chair told MP's in January that the estimated cost was around £66 billion. Since then, the government has agreed to the building of the 4.5 mile tunnel from Old Oak Common to Euston, Whitehall is expected to release over £1bn in taxpayer subsidy for the work. The use of taxpayer money would contradict a pledge by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to bring in private developers to fund the project. Did he say it'd only be private funding? What's the split of funds like? Can't wrap my head around just how much this is costing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 17:25:39 GMT
Nothing posted on this thread since last October and with an election looming I'd imagine that the opposition parties might have something to say about the colossal cost of the project. The scheme's executive chair told MP's in January that the estimated cost was around £66 billion. Since then, the government has agreed to the building of the 4.5 mile tunnel from Old Oak Common to Euston, Whitehall is expected to release over £1bn in taxpayer subsidy for the work. The use of taxpayer money would contradict a pledge by Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to bring in private developers to fund the project. Did he say it'd only be private funding? What's the split of funds like? Can't wrap my head around just how much this is costing. I feel like Britain surely must be getting the safety/consultation vs low cost equations to far heavily favour safety/consultation than other nations. I get the argument and of course, you don’t want to be like Indonesia, but surely more could be done on rebalancing this? In Spain, they have more standardized station designs, which cuts back on planning and focuses more specifically on just getting it done: |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 12, 2024 17:32:19 GMT
Did he say it'd only be private funding? What's the split of funds like? Can't wrap my head around just how much this is costing. I feel like Britain surely must be getting the safety/consultation vs low cost equations to far heavily favour safety/consultation than other nations. I get the argument and of course, you don’t want to be like Indonesia, but surely more could be done on rebalancing this? In Spain, they have more standardized station designs, which cuts back on planning and focuses more specifically on just getting it done: We have the world's shittest planning system is our big issue. Its fucking gash. I've had a planning application in for 3 years in one of the Manchester authorities and still no sign of it getting to planning committee (and its an allocated site). Its a total joke our planning laws and system. It simply doesn't work and massively strangles our productivity.. |
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jun 12, 2024 17:33:53 GMT
Did he say it'd only be private funding? What's the split of funds like? Can't wrap my head around just how much this is costing. I feel like Britain surely must be getting the safety/consultation vs low cost equations to far heavily favour safety/consultation than other nations. I get the argument and of course, you don’t want to be like Indonesia, but surely more could be done on rebalancing this? In Spain, they have more standardized station designs, which cuts back on planning and focuses more specifically on just getting it done: Too many changes, too many compromises, loading gauge alterations, moving the running line 5cm in a different direction meant every time something went back to the drawing board numerous things had to change. Costs went north. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2024 17:57:27 GMT
I feel like Britain surely must be getting the safety/consultation vs low cost equations to far heavily favour safety/consultation than other nations. I get the argument and of course, you don’t want to be like Indonesia, but surely more could be done on rebalancing this? In Spain, they have more standardized station designs, which cuts back on planning and focuses more specifically on just getting it done: We have the world's shittest planning system is our big issue. Its fucking gash. I've had a planning application in for 3 years in one of the Manchester authorities and still no sign of it getting to planning committee (and its an allocated site). Its a total joke our planning laws and system. It simply doesn't work and massively strangles our productivity.. Any ideas on why it’s this way? I can’t imagine that it’s like that everywhere. When I lived in the Netherlands, I marveled at how fast they simply got shit done. It seems like something that Labour and Tory manifestos should be looking to address given that they want to grow the economy. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jun 12, 2024 18:07:21 GMT
We have the world's shittest planning system is our big issue. Its fucking gash. I've had a planning application in for 3 years in one of the Manchester authorities and still no sign of it getting to planning committee (and its an allocated site). Its a total joke our planning laws and system. It simply doesn't work and massively strangles our productivity.. Any ideas on why it’s this way? I can’t imagine that it’s like that everywhere. When I lived in the Netherlands, I marveled at how fast they simply got shit done. It seems like something that Labour and Tory manifestos should be looking to address given that they want to grow the economy. Because the whole system is set up to appease the NIMBYS. With particular regard to housing, there are no votes for a govt in pushing housing development forward. And the reason HS2 is costing so much is because 90 odd miles of its 120 mile length is underground. Which was to appease the Tory heartlands that its going through. Other than that planning departments are chronically under staffed. And the one's that are there are generally militant arm holes who resent developers and do their very best to hamper development. The one big way this country can progress is via serious planning reform. And it'll need to happen pretty soon because if we are going to keep adding 500,000 people plus to this country every friggin year then we're going to need a lot more houses. Either that or we'll need a lot more Bibby Stockholms on our coastal line.. |
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Post by scfc1863 on Jul 23, 2024 14:13:28 GMT
HS2 farce latest.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c725k6ynw7go"It means that only the stretch between London and the West Midlands will go ahead. New trains built for HS2, however, will run over the entire line. But the NAO said these trains “may have fewer seats than existing services”, and HS2’s delivery company estimates that capacity between Manchester and Birmingham could be reduced by 17%. The Department for Transport (DfT) is looking at how longer HS2 trains could be used, but existing stations such as Crewe would have to be adapted. As a result, the NAO said that the DfT “will need to assess options for addressing capacity issues on the west coast”, such as dissuading passengers from travelling by train at certain times - if at all." |
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Post by hcstokie on Jul 23, 2024 14:20:55 GMT
HS2 farce latest.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c725k6ynw7go"It means that only the stretch between London and the West Midlands will go ahead. New trains built for HS2, however, will run over the entire line. But the NAO said these trains “may have fewer seats than existing services”, and HS2’s delivery company estimates that capacity between Manchester and Birmingham could be reduced by 17%. The Department for Transport (DfT) is looking at how longer HS2 trains could be used, but existing stations such as Crewe would have to be adapted. As a result, the NAO said that the DfT “will need to assess options for addressing capacity issues on the west coast”, such as dissuading passengers from travelling by train at certain times - if at all." You couldn’t make it up if you tried. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 23, 2024 14:30:17 GMT
HS2 farce latest.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c725k6ynw7go"It means that only the stretch between London and the West Midlands will go ahead. New trains built for HS2, however, will run over the entire line. But the NAO said these trains “may have fewer seats than existing services”, and HS2’s delivery company estimates that capacity between Manchester and Birmingham could be reduced by 17%. The Department for Transport (DfT) is looking at how longer HS2 trains could be used, but existing stations such as Crewe would have to be adapted. As a result, the NAO said that the DfT “will need to assess options for addressing capacity issues on the west coast”, such as dissuading passengers from travelling by train at certain times - if at all." As the old adage goes....we couldn't organise a knees up in a brewery. Summat like that anyway 😉 |
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