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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:15:58 GMT
With the Euros coming up and Kane potentially out, who replaces him?
Tammy Abraham scores goals but he’s not really good enough imo to be the main man for us or Chelsea for that matter (I wanted to post this 60 minutes ago but he was still playing 😂).
Rashford is imo better on the left but it would mean we can play Sterling and Sancho as well.
Vardy is the obvious choice I think?
All 3 are good PL strikers but none fill me with any confidence at international level tbh.
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Post by loosestools on Jan 18, 2020 19:19:50 GMT
Has Vardy not announced his retirement from the England set up? I think he did this when he suffered a bit of form drop last season, he remains however, a massive threat against weaker European teams.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 18, 2020 19:21:31 GMT
With the Euros coming up and Kane potentially out, who replaces him? Tammy Abraham scores goals but he’s not really good enough imo to be the main man for us or Chelsea for that matter (I wanted to post this 60 minutes ago but he was still playing 😂). Rashford is imo better on the left but it would mean we can play Sterling and Sancho as well. Vardy is the obvious choice I think? All 3 are good PL strikers but none fill me with any confidence at international level tbh. On form surely Ings has a shout bayern? Hasn't Vardy said he's retired from international football? but surely he wouldnt turn it down if he was called up. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:21:49 GMT
Has Vardy not announced his retirement from the England set up? I think he did this when he suffered a bit of form drop last season, he remains however, a massive threat against weaker European teams. No idea tbh. He’s been an irrelevance for England really so I wasn’t paying attention. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 18, 2020 19:22:01 GMT
Should go cap in hand to Vardy to come out of retirement - but doesn't seem like that's the plan from Southgate. Can't knock Ings' recent record. Is it 10 in 10? It's concerning with Kane. I saw Owen saying if it's the same injury he got, there's no way he'll be back for the Euros. theathletic.co.uk/1528117/2020/01/13/ornstein-rooney-vardy-wilshere/Vardy won’t replace Kane for England, Ings likely to get call-up, Calvert-Lewin in contentionConfirmation that Harry Kane will be sidelined until April with a torn hamstring has increased speculation that Jamie Vardy could be asked to come out of international retirement and make himself available for England at this summer’s European Championship. Vardy, who stepped back from representing his country after the 2018 World Cup finals, is the Premier League’s top scorer this season with 17 goals and would ordinarily be an obvious candidate for England manager Gareth Southgate heading into the next major tournament. That candidacy would be strong if Kane was in peak condition and even more so now the captain has undergone surgery, which will severely limit his game time before the competition begins. But The Athletic understands that, regardless of Vardy’s form and availability, Southgate is highly unlikely to consider the 33-year-old Leicester City striker — unless England face a major fitness crisis. If, for example, Kane was ruled out completely and then Chelsea’s Tammy Abraham suffered a significant injury of his own, the situation could change. Since Vardy made his decision, Southgate has held a clear stance of looking to the future and will prioritise Kane, who is expected to be back, alongside the likes of Abraham, Marcus Rashford of Manchester United, Southampton’s free-scoring Danny Ings and Callum Wilson of Bournemouth. Everton’s Dominic Calvert-Lewin is on the radar, while players such as Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund) and Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea) are also forward options. With Abraham currently next in line to Kane, Rashford preferring to operate centrally and Ings on course to be called up for the March friendlies against Italy and Denmark — England’s last games before naming their Euros squad — there is now little prospect of Vardy figuring. Both sides accept you can never say never and the door will not be closed but the probability has become so remote that inside the Football Association it is no longer seen as a debate. Given it was Vardy’s choice to retire, from the FA’s perspective any chance of the former Fleetwood Town front man returning to the fold would require him to show an appetite and there has been no sign of that so far. An added complication is that Vardy has benefited from focusing solely on club football to such an extent that it is thought he would only contemplate a comeback if he was first choice to lead England’s attack and Southgate cannot provide that guarantee, which Vardy is said to fully respect. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:23:20 GMT
With the Euros coming up and Kane potentially out, who replaces him? Tammy Abraham scores goals but he’s not really good enough imo to be the main man for us or Chelsea for that matter (I wanted to post this 60 minutes ago but he was still playing 😂). Rashford is imo better on the left but it would mean we can play Sterling and Sancho as well. Vardy is the obvious choice I think? All 3 are good PL strikers but none fill me with any confidence at international level tbh. On form surely Ings has a shout bayern? Hasn't Vardy said he's retired from international football? but surely he wouldnt turn it down if he was called up. Ings is a good shout! Especially as Callum Wilson isn’t doing so well now. He’s a good player too and offers some of the link play that Kane does. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 18, 2020 19:27:55 GMT
On form surely Ings has a shout bayern? Hasn't Vardy said he's retired from international football? but surely he wouldnt turn it down if he was called up. Ings is a good shout! Especially as Callum Wilson isn’t doing so well now. He’s a good player too and offers some of the link play that Kane does. Just always liked Ings link up play and his finishing this season has been really good as it was at Burnley. Kind of like Vardy in the sense that if it's a one on one it's going in the back of the net. I think Wilson has been shit due to how shit bournemouth have done and I wouldn't be confident with him Leading the line would you? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:31:36 GMT
Ings is a good shout! Especially as Callum Wilson isn’t doing so well now. He’s a good player too and offers some of the link play that Kane does. Just always liked Ings link up play and his finishing this season has been really good as it was at Burnley. Kind of like Vardy in the sense that if it's a one on one it's going in the back of the net. I think Wilson has been shit due to how shit bournemouth have done and I wouldn't be confident with him Leading the line would you? Me too. Always wanted us to sign him when he was at Burnley. Agreed re Wilson. Lots of time for form to drop or pick up though. And I do think he’s more than useful but maybe a bit similar to the others? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 18, 2020 19:34:41 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 18, 2020 19:35:32 GMT
Just always liked Ings link up play and his finishing this season has been really good as it was at Burnley. Kind of like Vardy in the sense that if it's a one on one it's going in the back of the net. I think Wilson has been shit due to how shit bournemouth have done and I wouldn't be confident with him Leading the line would you? Me too. Always wanted us to sign him when he was at Burnley. Agreed re Wilson. Lots of time for form to drop or pick up though. And I do think he’s more than useful but maybe a bit similar to the others? Yeah always thought he was one we could have got if we'd have made the effort and would have been exactly what we needed and probably would have kept us in the prem. Ah well if my aunty had bollocks and all that 😕 Yeah quite like Wilson but like you say a bit similar to the others, struggling to think of anyone we have who offers an alternative. Someone who is good in the air and offers something different? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 18, 2020 19:48:44 GMT
Me too. Always wanted us to sign him when he was at Burnley. Agreed re Wilson. Lots of time for form to drop or pick up though. And I do think he’s more than useful but maybe a bit similar to the others? Yeah always thought he was one we could have got if we'd have made the effort and would have been exactly what we needed and probably would have kept us in the prem. Ah well if my aunty had bollocks and all that 😕 Yeah quite like Wilson but like you say a bit similar to the others, struggling to think of anyone we have who offers an alternative. Someone who is good in the air and offers something different? Calvert-Lewin I guess. And I like him a lot but again he’s not really someone who I could see firing us to European glory. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jan 18, 2020 19:56:36 GMT
Yeah always thought he was one we could have got if we'd have made the effort and would have been exactly what we needed and probably would have kept us in the prem. Ah well if my aunty had bollocks and all that 😕 Yeah quite like Wilson but like you say a bit similar to the others, struggling to think of anyone we have who offers an alternative. Someone who is good in the air and offers something different? Calvert-Lewin I guess. And I like him a lot but again he’s not really someone who I could see firing us to European glory. No but I suppose if he isn't given that chance then we won't know. It's hard because you want to see the young players given the chance but then if he has a poor first game he will be slated which is wank but that's what happens. Southgate always says he picks players on form so if not Vardy then it has to be Ings for me mate |
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Post by neckender78 on Jan 18, 2020 21:39:18 GMT
Yeah always thought he was one we could have got if we'd have made the effort and would have been exactly what we needed and probably would have kept us in the prem. Ah well if my aunty had bollocks and all that 😕 Yeah quite like Wilson but like you say a bit similar to the others, struggling to think of anyone we have who offers an alternative. Someone who is good in the air and offers something different? Calvert-Lewin I guess. And I like him a lot but again he’s not really someone who I could see firing us to European glory. If Kane is ruled out which I really hope is not the case then for me if Southgate wants to keep the same system then Calvert Lewin is the natural replacement. Decent all round striker physical, holds the ball up brings others into play and probably with the coaching of Big Dunc is learning how to make a centre halfs life difficult and is only going to get better. Last few months has started to add more goals to his game which was lacking. For me he is the only similar forward to Kane we have who is unselfish and can link play with the wide forwards and attacking midfielders. Would make sense to include him in the March friendly squads |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2020 23:58:40 GMT
I don't think Vardy completely ruled out playing for England again. If we could play to his strengths like Brendan Rogers is, he seems the best choice to me. And I remember how much he was slated on here! |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 19, 2020 1:20:27 GMT
You'd be sniffing around Vardy like a nonce around a creche wouldn't you.
'Calvert-Lewin in contention'. Jesus Christ, see you in another two years gents.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 19, 2020 1:30:46 GMT
Rightly or wrongly it’ll be Rashford.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 7:23:54 GMT
Rightly or wrongly it’ll be Rashford. Rightly in my opinion. Out of the options available he is comfortably the best. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 19, 2020 8:06:36 GMT
I think the forward players Southgate will take will be Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Sancho and then 1 from Ings, Calvert-Lewis or even Mason Greenwood
Kane will be back and fit for sure, Rashford is a terrific player
As for Vardy I wouldn’t ask him back, firstly I really dislike the retiring from international duty thing then get recalled, if he’s made his decision then that’s that
Secondly I really don’t think the way England tries to play is anything like Leicester, Leicester play very much counter attacking with Vardy exploding to life chasing long through balls, whilst England ty to keep the ball.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 19, 2020 9:13:18 GMT
There won't be many better forward lne ups at the Euros than Sterling Rashford and Sancho.
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Post by rawli on Jan 19, 2020 9:32:55 GMT
In typical England fashion we'll rush Kane back. He'll be unfit and not perform.
I honestly don't think he'd be that big a miss for us.
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Post by lordb on Jan 19, 2020 10:25:07 GMT
I think the forward players Southgate will take will be Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Sancho and then 1 from Ings, Calvert-Lewis or even Mason Greenwood Kane will be back and fit for sure, Rashford is a terrific player As for Vardy I wouldn’t ask him back, firstly I really dislike the retiring from international duty thing then get recalled, if he’s made his decision then that’s that Secondly I really don’t think the way England tries to play is anything like Leicester, Leicester play very much counter attacking with Vardy exploding to life chasing long through balls, whilst England ty to keep the ball. I think Abraham will be in the reckoning Tbh would expect Kane to be fit anyway. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2020 10:37:07 GMT
Rightly or wrongly it’ll be Rashford. Rightly in my opinion. Out of the options available he is comfortably the best. He’s much better on the left wing though than up front. |
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 19, 2020 10:53:20 GMT
I think the forward players Southgate will take will be Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Sancho and then 1 from Ings, Calvert-Lewis or even Mason Greenwood Kane will be back and fit for sure, Rashford is a terrific player As for Vardy I wouldn’t ask him back, firstly I really dislike the retiring from international duty thing then get recalled, if he’s made his decision then that’s that Secondly I really don’t think the way England tries to play is anything like Leicester, Leicester play very much counter attacking with Vardy exploding to life chasing long through balls, whilst England ty to keep the ball. I think Abraham will be in the reckoning Tbh would expect Kane to be fit anyway. oh yes, I forgot about him |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 12:23:52 GMT
Rightly in my opinion. Out of the options available he is comfortably the best. He’s much better on the left wing though than up front. It's a fair point I suppose. So who leads the line then if he plays on the left side of a three? I think he is the best option for us if Kane isn't fit as the man down the middle of a three. Sterling and Sancho either side of Rashford for me. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2020 12:25:23 GMT
He’s much better on the left wing though than up front. It's a fair point I suppose. So who leads the line then if he plays on the left side of a three? I think he is the best option for us if Kane isn't fit as the man down the middle of a three. Sterling and Sancho either side of Rashford for me. It’s a good option tbh but I just don’t think he’s that good of a striker. I’d be more inclined with those three as a front three to have Sterling centrally and them doing lots of switching. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jan 19, 2020 12:28:17 GMT
I think Kane will be ready. But it's worth considering who the other forwards will be. IMHO we should take five instead of the usual four.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 19, 2020 12:31:32 GMT
So with all this money getting pumped into Premiership sides, we are in trouble because one England striker may miss a tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 12:31:45 GMT
It's a fair point I suppose. So who leads the line then if he plays on the left side of a three? I think he is the best option for us if Kane isn't fit as the man down the middle of a three. Sterling and Sancho either side of Rashford for me. It’s a good option tbh but I just don’t think he’s that good of a striker. I’d be more inclined with those three as a front three to have Sterling centrally and them doing lots of switching. Ooooh the fabled, false No.9  To be honest as good a season as some of the other options are having, I don't think any of them are good enough to start up front for us in a tournament so that's the three I'd go with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 12:32:42 GMT
So with all this money getting pumped into Premiership sides, we are in trouble because one England striker may miss a tournament. I wouldn't say we'd be in trouble, but name me a football team that wouldn't miss a world class striker if out injured. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 19, 2020 12:33:17 GMT
I think Kane will be ready. But it's worth considering who the other forwards will be. IMHO we should take five instead of the usual four. To cover the front 3 is this Joe? Let’s say Kane is fit, that’s Kane, Rashford, Sterling and Sancho. Surely we’d need 2 more as cover anyway? A proper striker and someone to cover the wings/attacking midfielder? |
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